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Has America Passed the Point of No Return?

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AbideinHim Jul 5, 2017

By Michael Brown

Is it too late for America? Are the nation’s best days behind us? Can our sickly country be saved?

On July 1, 2016, conservative author and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza sent out an email titled, "On The Brink Of Losing America Forever,” and it certainly feels that we are that close. But have we passed the point of no return?

We could all point to a virtual mountain of sins and crimes that are rampant in our country, including the killing of more than 55 million babies in the womb. We could all indict America on many fronts. That is easy to do. But has Almighty God written us off forever?

As we celebrate the 241st anniversary of our nation this July 4th, this is the most important question we can ask. Everything else is secondary. Can America be saved?

In my first book on revival, written in 1989, I asked, "Is God through with America? Is He ready to spew us out of His mouth? Is it too late for revival? Is our country ready to die?”

Now, almost 40 years later, these questions are much more urgent. Do we realize how much farther we have fallen?

We Need a Great Awakening
I have asked these questions again in my newest book, Saving a Sick America: A Prescription for Moral and Cultural Reformation, due out in September. It is a book filled with great hope for our future. But it is a hope based in realism, since we will never get healthy unless we realize just how sick we are.

To use a physical analogy, America has cancer, and without radical treatment, that cancer will soon be terminal. But with major medical intervention and a total change of lifestyle, the prognosis is promising. How will we respond? Taking a pill and taking a nap will not cure our condition. Trying to eat a little better won’t reverse a mortal disease.

In the same way, a nice church service won’t turn the tide, a lovely sermon won’t awaken us, and a casual prayer meeting won’t stir us from our stupor. We need a sense of desperation and urgency. Do we have it? Are we praying and crying out and making changes in our own lives as if America hung in the balance?

We should recognize that this is the perfect opportunity for the church of Jesus to rise up in the truth and power of the Spirit.

We need another great awakening ”” a massive, spiritual revival ”” but a national awakening will not come up without national desperation. How hungry are we? How urgent are our prayers? How intense is our desire for God to visit our nation? Do we realize how sick we are?

In the introductory chapter to Saving a Sick America, I wanted to paint a picture of just how far we had fallen, and do so in just a few pages. How could I drive this home? While giving this prayerful consideration one day, everything became clear. I would tell the story of an all-American dad who fell asleep while watching Leave It to Beaver with his family in 1961, only to wake up in 2017. The changes are stark and shocking and disturbing. How did we get from there to here?

But my goal in that chapter (and in the book as a whole) was not to depress us or discourage us. Instead, my goal was to awaken us to the urgency of the hour so that we will turn to God with urgency and make urgent changes in our lives.

It’s Not Too Late
It is not too late for America unless we make it too late by our complacency and carnality and indifference. But if we will turn to God with all our heart and soul, our best days could be ahead, as preposterous as that may sound.

That’s why the last chapter of the book is called, "The Church’s Great Opportunity.” There I tell the story of an American shoe company that decided to expand overseas, sending their best salesman to start a new branch in Africa. Before he arrived, the company spent years in strategic planning, targeting this particular region as ideal for their global expansion and shipping thousands of boxes of shoes to their huge new warehouse. But within hours of the salesman’s arrival, he called the company headquarters in a panic. "Get me out of here!” he exclaimed. "No one here wears shoes!”

They flew him home immediately, temporarily halting their plans, then met as leaders to reevaluate their strategy. After lengthy discussion, they decided that their plan was sound, sending their second-best salesman.

Once again, within hours of his arrival, the salesman called headquarters with an urgent message, but this time his tone was very different. "We need thousands more boxes of shoes!” he exclaimed. "Nobody here has any shoes!” That is the mentality we must embrace here in the USA today in the midst of massive societal decline.Everyone needs what we have to offer.

Don’t Minimize the Urgency
As I wrote in Saving a Sick America:

Without a doubt, our nation is desperately sick, on the edge of spiraling into moral and cultural chaos. And without a doubt, much of the church is backslidden, having been seduced into apathy, lethargy, and carnality by a compromised, watered down ‘gospel’ and by the endless temptations of the age. In many ways, these are dark days for our country spiritually and morally, and we must not minimize the urgency of the hour. But rather than throw our hands up in despair, we should recognize that this is the perfect opportunity for the church of Jesus to rise up in the truth and power of the Spirit, bringing the message of life and transformation to our very sick country. This is the church’s great opportunity. This is our time to stand.

By God’s grace, I’m determined to stand strong, to speak the truth and live the truth, regardless of cost or consequence, and to turn to God will all my heart. Can we stand together? Do we really have a choice?

I truly believe that America can still be saved, but only if we do not minimize the urgency of the hour.

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Renee_is_His Jul 5, 2017

In every generation, the Lord has always had a praying remnant of believers who keep the testimony of Jesus. I am posting a clip that I recently heard from David Wilkerson about God raising up a holy remnant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJYHHXb5puU&t=7s

There are still many souls that need Jesus in this nation, countless people who are desperate for deliverance from their bondages. The question is, are we willing to pay to the price to be a part of the end-time army that will enforce the Lordship of Jesus Christ, that which He obtained by His own precious blood?

Psalm 4:3 But know that the Lord has set apart for Himself him who is godly; the Lord will hear when I call to Him.

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AbideinHim Jul 5, 2017

"The question is, are we willing to pay to the price to be a part of the end-time army that will enforce the Lordship of Jesus Christ, that which He obtained by His own precious blood?"

Amen Renee! You stated clearly the real
Issue.

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Sree Jul 5, 2017


I truly believe that America can still be saved, but only if we do not minimize the urgency of the hour.

Can someone give me a scripture from New Covenant that says an entire country has to be saved?

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AbideinHim Jul 5, 2017

Can someone give me a scripture from New Covenant that says an entire country has to be saved?

Brother, a nation can be saved in the sense that through intercession and repentance judgment can be averted. We are not talking about the salvation of all that is in the nation or that even the majority of the people would be saved. God has always moved and worked through a remnant, and those that intercede and that are on the wall of intercession are a remnant of Christians.

There are many examples in the bible where God did not destroy a nation because of men of God standing in the gap and making up the hedge.

God told Moses that he would wipe out the people because of their rebellion, and Moses interceded, and God changed his mind and cancelled the judgment.

God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah for the sake of 10 righteous people.

God had Jonah preach to the people of Nineveh, so that that nation would be saved or spared.

God promises us in His Word that He would heal our land if we would fulfill the conditions in 2 Chronicles 7:14.

God would rather show mercy than judgment. It is not the will of God for men to perish, but to come to salvation. It is not the will of the Lord to destroy any nation, if God's people in that nation will humble themselves and pray, seek the face of the Lord, and turn from their wicked ways. (repent).

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Sree Jul 5, 2017


Brother, a nation can be saved in the sense that through intercession and repentance judgment can be averted.

My question is who in the nation should repent? I do not believe there is a single example of a nation repenting or even asked to repent in New Covenant.

It is the churches in the nation that should repent. Why will the gays, aborting mothers, etc repent in USA just because some Christian leader is asking America to Repent? They will not.

But if the Church that is corrupted with all the sins practiced in USA, if they repent and turn to God, then through the pure testimony of the Church, people will repent. Hence all these letters should be addressed to Churches. Jesus himself did not write any letter to any region (nation) in the book of Revelation. He only wrote to Churches, but today all the modern day pastors, just address the whole nation!

America is nothing special compared to any heathen nation in this world. I am happy about the religious freedom I have in USA which I do not get in my heathen nation. But other than that, I do not think America is in anyway special to God. It is not a nation of God's chosen people. I believe every preacher who writes about these 'America should repent', deep in their heart, they think America is God's chosen nation or in someway special to God.

sermonindex Jul 5, 2017

USA is not the only nation that needs to repent. All countries in the world are called to repentance...

sermonindex Jul 5, 2017

An anonymous quote regarding the world of finance: "When America (the USA, to be more precise) catches cold, Europe gets the flu." The domino effect of what transpires in the USA upon Europe and the rest of the world is not to be underestimated.

Leonard Ravenhill was a great man of God whose sermons have been featured and discussed on this site at length. In 1994 he died of a broken heart, feeling that the church in the USA was simply not willing to pay the price for revival.

Some of his quotes on the topic:

"If we had a super, super revival of a billion people being saved, it would still be too late. Could you imagine a billion people being saved-- in governments, in hospitals, in universities, in schools, business people? Yet there would be four billion people in the world still unsaved.”

"One thing that really crushes me is when I think that America has 500 evangelists and not one revivalist; not one that can shake a city.”

"God is taking His hands off of America. We've had so much light and we've rejected it.”

"America is not dying because of the strength of humanism; it's dying because of the weakness of evangelism! We take people to the cross, (but) we don't put them on the cross.”

"I believe the choice in America (will come down to this): either we concentrate in prayer or (we'll end up) praying in concentration camps. You say it can't happen. It will!”

"A man came into my office from another nation and he dropped this in my ear, 'Christianity began in Palestine and it became a religion; it was transferred to Greece and it became a philosophy; it was transferred to Europe-- to England-- it became a cult and it was transferred to America (and) it became big business.'”

"Our young people have never seen (true) Christianity.”

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docs Jul 5, 2017

Agreeing with Daniel (Daniel 12:1), Jesus prophesied this evil age would end in a time of trouble such as has never occurred and never will again. I always wonder how the pleas and admonitions for revival in America fit into the final scenario for the end of the age Jesus presented. If we have a revival, and certainly we do need one, it's almost as if the thinking is this will get us around a final time of trouble. In the end of this age apostasy will dramatically increase and the line between the righteous and the wicked will become more pronounced. If we have revival will the church still be willing to stand with Israel while the world is going to increasingly turn against and sanction that nation? I'm all for revival but then what? Will America supposedly being a shining beacon on a hill again change the course of prophecy? This world and the kingdom of God are on a collision course beginning to run headlong into each other more and more each day. So America has revival and becomes great again. Then what?

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AbideinHim Jul 5, 2017

"My question is who in the nation should repent? I do not believe there is a single example of a nation repenting or even asked to repent in New Covenant."

The sinners are not going to repent. Revival is not going to come from the government, and men's hearts will not change even if we outlaw abortion and same sex marriage.

It is up to the Church to repent. Judgment must begin in the House of God. We must first judge ourselves. Revival begins with a revived Church. I don't know how much repentance is required to hold back God's hand of judgment.

Some of you need to hear the revival teaching by Brother Orr. Many of the greatest revivals in history have occurred when there seemed to be no hope but certain judgment from God. During these times of darkness and moral depravity that we are seeing in this nation today, the Holy Spirit is always moving on the hearts of intercessors to stand in the gap, and repent on behalf of the people so that He can spare them. It doesn't always come from large numbers either.

It is a total lack of faith and not understanding the responsibility of the Church to be salt and light, and to stand for righteousness and stand against evil, that causes many saints, just like some of you, to have the attitude that says, why pray, judgment is coming anyway. We are in a warfare and the call is going out to get engaged. We can choose to be part of the answer or part of the problem. Jesus has already won the victory. He has given His Church authority and power to bind and to loose. God is not going to do anything on the earth apart from His Church (Body of Christ). If we die, we die fighting, and not giving up in unbelief. So the ultimate responsibility of the destiny of this nation has been given to the Church.

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dohzman Jul 6, 2017

Isa 1:4
Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.
Isa 1:5
Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
Isa 1:6
From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
Isa 1:7
Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
Isa 1:8
And the daughter of Zion is left as a cottage in a vineyard, as a lodge in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city.
Isa 1:9
Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
Isa 1:10
Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
Isa 1:11
To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
Isa 1:12
When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
Isa 1:13
Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Isa 1:14
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
Isa 1:15
And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
Isa 1:16
Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
Isa 1:17
Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Isa 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20
But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.


I do not believe that there will be a "national" revival in a political sense. DC is to far gone and to corrupt. I do believe that there will be an in gathering of repentant blood bought believers in Jesus Christ which make up the remnant. If just 10% of the current church woke up in America and did what they were called to do, it would be like heaven on earth, but as for this country? Judgement.

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Heydave Jul 6, 2017

This seems to me to be a very 'US-Cenntric' question and view.

The question should be 'Has the world (of which the USA is a part) passed the point of no return'?
Answer: Yes it always has since the fall according to scripture and God's plan of redemption. This world is on course for final judgement and there is a new world coming.

Quote "The question is, are we willing to pay to the price to be a part of the end-time army that will enforce the Lordship of Jesus Christ, that which He obtained by His own precious blood?"

Where do you get this theology from?? It is not biblical at all. There will be no 'end time army that will enforce the Lordship of Christ'!! This is the dominionism /Joel's army / NAR heresy.

Jesus will return in judgement against this world and HE will set up His kingdom and rule. Until that time His 'church' will always be a remnant minority people in this world who are looking for and hastening the coming of their King and His kingdom.

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docs Jul 6, 2017

21 For then there will be great tribulation, such ad had not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened. (Matt 24:21-22)

My question has been for a while that if America experiences revival and becomes a spiritual beacon again as they say then is that somehow going to steer us past the scenario and events prophesied to end this present age? Wouldn't true revival bring also a true assessment of what the end of the age is going to bring?

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lovejt Jul 6, 2017

I don't believe there are any NT/NC scriptures. Also, nobody has shown it in their answers. I have my ideas of where this originated. Way....after time of Acts/Revelation. Church will always be the beacon to attract people to come out...of the nations, world, kingdoms of the earth, etc. Thats where the HS is present and resides.

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TMK Jul 6, 2017

That problem disappears if you do not insist on a literal future great tribulation. Not wanting to go down that road- just throwing it out there

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docs Jul 6, 2017

Jesus ended His words here describing His second coming after the tribulation of those days. Maybe He meant His second coming was to be taken non literally also.

It seems a real sleight of hand to go from non literal in Matt 24:21,29 yet jump back to literal in Matt 24:31.

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TMK Jul 6, 2017

I hear you but you have to look at the verses before v 21. He was warning THEM about the coming great tribulation.

I think we can all agree the world is going to hell in a hand basket and unless the Church steps up its game like 300% ain't nothing stopping it.

The problem is that there is no prophetic voice calling the church to step it up, at least none who people are paying any attention to.

I don't want to be defeatist and I love Dr browns message but I really have a hard time seeing it happen.

Maybe if the Yellowstone volcano goes people will wake up, but that's a huge maybe (both the volcano and the waking up)

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proudpapa Jul 6, 2017

RE : /// I hear you but you have to look at the verses before v 21. He was warning THEM about the coming great tribulation. ///

and a warning they listened to and that most commentaries agree with the following regarding vs 16 :

Ellicott's Commentary

The words were acted on when the time came. Eusebius (Hist. Eccl. iii. 5) records that the Christians of Juda, acting "on a certain oracle," fled, in A.D. 68, to Pella, a town on the northern boundary of Pera. So Josephus (Wars, iv. 9, 1; v. 10, 1) more generally relates that many of the more conspicuous citizens fled from the city, as men abandon a sinking ship.

concerning vs 21 :

People's Bible Notes for Matthew 24:21

Mt 24:21 Great tribulation. The account given by Josephus, the Jewish historian who witnessed and recorded the war, is almost an echo of the predictions of Christ. Women ate their own children from starvation; the Jews within the city fought each other as well as the Roman army; on August 10, A.D. 70, the city was stormed and there was a universal massacre; 1,100,00 persons perished, and 100,000 survivors were sold into slavery.

sermonindex Jul 6, 2017

ӢӢӢMaybe if the Yellowstone volcano goes people will wake up, but that's a huge maybe (both the volcano and the waking up)ӢӢӢ

Bro if the Yellowstone volcano goes there may not be any left around to wake up. 😊 But in all seriousness we have had warnings from prophetic men such as David Wilkerson and Art Katz. No one listened. We have had tornadoes and 911 and hurricanes. No one listened. I'm not sure if anything will wake up to church at this point. Maybe an economic downturn or some type of a catastrophic terrorist attack. (Not that I would wish that.) But I think America and particular the church in America may be beyond waking up.

At this point the best we can hope for is individual salvations in the Lord Jesus Christ. Because it will only be through individuals fleeing to Christ by which there will be true salvation and security.

Simply my thoughts.

Bro Blaine

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docs Jul 6, 2017

Jesus' words end in His physical second coming after the tribulation of those days. The blessed hope of the church has always coincided the second coming with the last trumpet signaling the resurrection of the righteous dead. Josephus and the others must have missed that.

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