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Electric Dance Club Music now in Worship Services

sermonindex Jul 17, 2017

The Crossing, a non-denominational church in Tampa with a weekly attendance of roughly 3,500 people, is one of many congregations now incorporating electronic dance music (EDM) into its regular worship repertoire. It’s not a full-on rave, and you’ll see more "traditional” instruments like drums, electric guitars, and keyboards. But infused with more familiar modern worship stylings are characteristics of the EDM aesthetic: layers of computer-programmed electronic backing tracks, quarter-note bass thumps, and cycles of musical "builds” and "drops,” much of it set to a tempo around 130 beats per minute.

EDM, once the underpinning of the all-night rave scene, has now become one of the most popular mainstream musical styles, and it is influencing both studio-recorded Christian worship music and live congregational performances. ...

read more: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2017/july-august/edm-in-churches-worship-with-drop.html

sermonindex Jul 17, 2017

Oh my :(. What can one say? :(

Sigh. :(

Somehow I don't quite see my brothers and sisters in persecuted nations like Eritrea or North Korea getting on worship like this. But then these are precious saints who have rejected the world and lay down their life for the Lord Jesus Christ.

So sad and reading about the stuff in the article.

Bro Blaine

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Martyr Jul 17, 2017

I once attended a church that played Pink Floyd's "Money" while taking an offering, never went back there again

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TMK Jul 17, 2017

if you google search the article you can read the whole thing. Clicking on the link lets you read only the very first part.

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TMK Jul 17, 2017

//I once attended a church that played Pink Floyd's "Money" while taking an offering, never went back there again. //

I once heard "Amazing Grace" set to the tune "The House of the Rising Sun." It works-- but regardless it was disturbing.

This issue boils down to taste to a large degree. Many churches in the 70s fought the use of choruses vs only hymns. Then there was a fight over contemporary worship music vs traditional hymns and choruses. There have been fights over the use of guitars and drums. Then electric guitars and drums. Now the fight is over synthesizers and drum machines.

The dire question is: can God be glorified by EDM in worship services?

The floor is open for debate!

sermonindex Jul 17, 2017

Welcome to the club....

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Martyr Jul 17, 2017

TMK I have heard that with amazing grace too, I've also heard it set to "Peaceful Easy Feeling by the Eagles, they keep the chorus from the eagles and sing amazing Grace over the verses. I have to be honest, as a musician I like it but for worship that's mixing two completely different spirits

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TMK Jul 17, 2017

// as a musician I like it but for worship that's mixing two completely different spirits//

I agree. That's because of the association of the melody with the Eagles tune.

The issue is whether an original melody or music with certain BPMs like EDM is inherently ungodly.

sermonindex Jul 17, 2017

I see in 'Matthew 26:30' that Jesus Christ and His disciples had a simple singing of thanksgiving, and like a Family atmosphere, and they were not trying to be a rock and roll....

Now, that is the way I desire to sing to God, like in 'Matthew 26:30', just plain simple (NOT in extravagant loud way of music) because our heart is what really matters...


// Isaiah 29:13 //

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Martyr Jul 17, 2017

Interesting. I don't know but of related interest is the devils tritone interval which during the middle ages was considered inherently evil.

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TMK Jul 17, 2017

The Wikipedia article on the tritone is one of the most complex things I have tried to read. Whoa!

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BranchinVINE Jul 17, 2017

I have no problem with drums and guitars if the music is good and uplifting.


2 Sam. 6:5 - Meanwhile, David and all the house of Israel were celebrating before the LORD with all kinds of instruments made of fir wood, and with lyres, harps, tambourines, castanets and cymbals.

1 Chron. 15:28 - Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the horn, with trumpets, with loud-sounding cymbals, with harps and lyres.

Ps. 150:3-6 - Praise Him with trumpet sound; Praise Him with harp and lyre. Praise Him with timbrel and dancing; Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe. Praise Him with loud cymbals; Praise Him with resounding cymbals

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jochbaptist Jul 17, 2017

A good amplifier covers a mutitude of sins. - Art Katz
An electric guitar is a backslidden harp. - Len Ravenhill
;)

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MrBillPro Jul 17, 2017

As long as the church is sincere in what the're doing to bring in the lost sheep, I don't think God cares how we get them in and saved, just get them in and saved. I'm 65 and I don't personally like churches stuck in the 50's, but that's just me. I like churches that sincerely aggressively go after the lost sheep, God commanded us to do so, but I haven't seen any particular instructions/methods on how, if you have please post them. :-)

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TMK Jul 17, 2017

I tend to agree Bill, I think.

The worship leaders quoted in the OP explained why they do it which is along the lines you mention. Post modern unsaved teens will not be drawn to the old hymns. Of course there are exceptions but this is generally true.

If church is viewed as outreach it makes more sense. If church is viewed as a meeting place for believers, it makes little sense.

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MrBillPro Jul 17, 2017

Todd, I agree with every word you said, 100%

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JHerndon Jul 17, 2017

Debates like this always make me smile. I took a group of students from my church to Forward Conference this year. It was my first time. Literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in lights and props. The line up was Hillsong United, Bethel Worship, Andy Mineo, and Free Chapel Worship. God did some awesome things there in myself personally and in some of my students. Five years ago I would have thought every person in that arena was going to hell because of the lights and music they were playing. Really??? 13,000 students with their hands lifted worshiping God and tears flowing down their face are going to hell because of a fancy light show or they use the lyrics of a Justin Beiber song to make a point about God??? That literally makes no sense.

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MrBillPro Jul 17, 2017

Joshua, I love what you said, and if we haven't figured out by now God does things everyday that make no sense, we're in a heap of trouble. :-)

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proudpapa Jul 17, 2017

From Parenting, to Bible translations, to clothing, to music, and everything in between : the Church used to influence the culture.

Now the church does not influence the culture, instead it is influenced by the culture, in all of the above and more.

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ginnyrose Jul 17, 2017

I think one needs to be careful in justifying the use music that appears to bring people to the LORD.

I have a question about this: have they repented of sins? are they pursuing a holy lifestyle? or, was this just an emotional thing?

In the OT we read how God used a donkey to challenge a disobedient prophet but no one that I know of would call the animal holy. I am also aware that God can use all kinds of means to bring people to himself where the vessel itself does not know the LORD.

Seems to me we should be very careful what we justify if it appears to be something that is working. Jesus says in Matthew 7:21-23:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Sandra

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