Did Adam lose the Holy Spirit?

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory." My personal belief is that Adam walked with God in a perfect Holy-Spirit communion with the Father. When he fell, he became unregenerate, sinful man.However, I believe Adam repented of his sin and was justified and regenerated by faith.

To take your question back a bit, was he ever filled with the Spirit?

Dorcas, I guess by your question, youthink that Adam did at one time have the Spirit of God abiding on him?I have always seen the ministry of the Spirit in the Old Testament as being different than His ministry today.preacher_ish

From the Bible, is it possible to say that when Adam fell the Holy Spirit departed from him?Or, was his purity before sin entered him, one of simple human sinlessness - not one of 'holiness' in the same way as believers are now imputed through the blood of Christ and the Holy Spirit.That's a thought provoking question. Adam was pure and innocent in the sense that he had no legal guilt. As long as he was obedient to God he would remain innocent. God put him in the garden so that his innocence might be transformed into moral character by a series of choices. It was to be a development from the natural to the spiritual. We, of course, don't have that same innocence as Adam had naturally, only by Regeneration can we be innocent (free from legal guilt) as Adam was. So while our purity requires Regeneration, his did not. In Christ,Ron

preacher_ish,I've been meaning to ask you why you chose the figure of a Roman Catholic Inquisitioner for your Avatar. So why did you?RT

Scripture is silent. So should we be as far as being dogmatic is concerned.Of course nothing is wrong with speculation is we all admit that this is what we are doing. But we won't know perfectly until we are glorified. Am I wrong?RT

Dorcas I never really thought of the Holy spirit abiding on Adam, although in the Old Testament dispensation the holy Spirit did come upon men and leave......I can't find any evidence that the Spirit of God was dwelling or left Adam, which is not the case in King Saul, King David, etc......I must admit that I think that there was conviction of the Spirit of God when Adam sinned.Blessing my friend.preacher_ish

Do we?preacher_ish

InTheLight wrote:Adam was pure and innocent in the sense that he had no legal guilt. As long as he was obedient to God he would remain innocent. God put him in the garden so that his innocence might be transformed into moral character by a series of choices. It was to be a development from the natural to the spiritual. Just taking this thought of Rons a bit further.I know this does'nt really answer your question, but these scriptures may help us understand their state before the fall. This is a intresting passage to look at :And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die." Genesis 2:16,17 NIV By implication it seems that before they ate of the tree, they never had the knowledge of good and evil. In eating of it...the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. Gen 3:22 NIVHaving the knowledge of good and evil seems to have been something that was exclusively Gods condition. The word knowledge in the Hebrew is Yada' and one of its meanings is:to know to perceive, to perceive and see, find out and discern, to discriminate, distinguish, to know by experience, to recognise, admit, acknowledge, confess, to consider. In mans original state he was not able to do these particular things, and if you look at the list these are attributes that you would normal associate them with being adult. It is only children who seem to have the ability to be...naked, and they felt no shame. Gen 2:25 NIVThe word for life in Hebrew is chay with its root meaning:to liveto have life, to continue in life, remain alive, to sustain life, to live on or upon, to live (prosperously)I am suggesting that Adam did not have the Holy Spirit in him, but he did live in a state of sinless perfection, he lived in life with its keystone being the fact that they did not have the knowledge of good and evil. In my understanding of the bible Adam lived in a childlike state of innocence not knowing the difference between good and evil as children do. It is this state of being that most laws of any land use as a standard in passing judgement, if the person is a minor then the sentence is lighter. You can teach a child good and right behaviour, but do the know as in Yada' know? I don't think so. The major difference between children however and Adams prefall existence is that children have a sinfull bent that makes them do acts that do not bring life. Just ask parents the world over.All Adam new before the fall was life, he lived in a state of perpetual life. His actions were governed by the source of his being, he brought life to whatever he was doing. I do not think he even had a conscience.He communed with God as they walked in the garden. This however changed when he ate the fruit and the rest of mans toil on this earth has been well documented.

Oswald Chambers comments:It is only when God has altered our disposition and we have entered into the experience of sanctification that the fight begins. The warfare is not against sin; we can never fight against sin: Jesus Christ deals with sin in Redemption. The conflict is along the line of turning our natural life into a spiritual life, and this is never done easily, nor does God intend it to be done easily. It is done only by a series of moral choices. God does not make us holy in the sense of character; He makes us holy in the sense of innocence, and we have to turn that innocence into holy character by a series of moral choices. These choices are continually in antagonism to the entrenchments of our natural life, the things which erect themselves as ramparts against the knowledge of God. We can either go back and make ourselves of no account in the Kingdom of God, or we can determinedly demolish these things and let Jesus bring another son to glory.Chambers, Oswald, My Utmost for His Highest, c1927. Sept 8thsome other scattered comments;The pure man or woman, not the innocent, is the safeguarded man or woman. God demands that they be pure and virtuous. Innocence is the characteristic of a child, it is a blameworthy thing for a man or woman not to be reconciled to the fact of sin.Chambers, Oswald, Run Today’s Race, c1968. There is a difference between innocence and purity. Innocence is the characteristic of a child, purity is the characteristic of a man or woman who knows what the tendencies and temptations to go wrong are, and who has overcome them. Virtue is not in the man who has not been tempted, neither is purity. When a man is tempted and remains steadfastly unspotted, then he is virtuous.Chambers, Oswald, The Place of Help, c1935.“Yet thou saidst, I am innocent.” The innocence arising from evil is always like that—“I’ve done nothing.” It is the innocence we are all born with; sooner or later it takes its stand with evil and only knows good by contrast; whereas the innocence arising from the presence of the Spirit of God takes its stand with good and knows evil only by contrast. If we hand our hearts over to God we need never know in experience that what Jesus Christ says of the human heart is true (see Mark 7:20-23). Chambers, Oswald, Notes on Jeremiah, c1936.Bringing Sons to Glory is a good Chambers book to read on this topic.

ZekeO writes:I am suggesting that Adam did not have the Holy Spirit in him, but he did live in a state of sinless perfection, he lived in life with its keystone being the fact that they did not have the knowledge of good and evil. In my understanding of the bible Adam lived in a childlike state of innocence not knowing the difference between good and evil as children do. It is this state of being that most laws of any land use as a standard in passing judgement, if the person is a minor then the sentence is lighter. You can teach a child good and right behaviour, but do the know as in Yada' know? I don't think so. The major difference between children however and Adams prefall existence is that children have a sinfull bent that makes them do acts that do not bring life. Just ask parents the world over.Sounds good to me. :-)

I think an assumption is being made that 'immortality' is the same as 'eternal life'. Certainly Adam would not have died but then neither would any of the animals or the trees; did they have 'eternal life' too?