implanting microchips in employees

What the mark actually is is hugely debatable and has been discussed ad nauseum on the forum.

However, assuming the mark is literal and something yet future, it would have to be coupled with an actual denial of the Lord. In other words you could not be tricked into getting the mark. You would know that to receive the mark is to deny Christ and denying Christ would be conditional on a person's receiving the mark.

The chip the article is talking about has nothing to do with this.

All that being said, I personally do not believe the mark discussed in Rev. 13 is literal or future.

Sorry- I didn't mean to suggest you knew about all the prior discussion- i just wanted to avoid getting into that debate again.

I did not mean to imply you were starting a debate. I know you had no such intention.

Personally, I'd deny a chip implant by an employer. Not because I believe such has any prophetic implications. It'd have more to do with personal privacy.

Thanks for asking

In the summer of 1973 David Wilkerson had his vision and he wrote down what he saw:
on p. 22 of the vision Wilkerson wrote:

'I believe a revived Roman Empire will eventually become the power base for a super world leader who will arise to restore economic order. He will no doubt institute a worldwide "walking credit card" system. Invisible numbers will be implanted on the forehead and forearm, and only photoscope scanners will be able to detect the numbers. The numbers could be assigned in three stacks of six digits each. This "mark" would be required by all and no one could buy or sell without this invisibly tattooed number.' - David Wilkerson 1973

"And ultimately, and we all know this, the mark of the beast will come, and you will not be able to buy or sell without it. Which means we will all come to poverty if not starvation. We need to change our mind about materilism ..." - Denny Kenaston

(Early Anabaptism) The Approaching Wave of Persecution
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=17842

"What if tomorrow morning you got the daily newspaper and on the front page of the daily newspaper you saw these words written across there: "cashless society, all peoples have two months to make the transition to cashless society".
Oh, it would be presented so beautifuly , so nicely and so wonderfully and inviting to all of us:
'That its so much easer to deal with all the terrorist and all of those things, that if we just went with a cashless society, and you do not need a credit card anymore. And all you need to do is, get a little mark in your wrist in your hand and maybe one on your forehead and everything is going to be alright and you got to months to transist into this cashless society'." (to refuse that mark will be Gelassenheit) ”” Denny Kenaston

(Early Anabaptism) Gelassenheit””Complete Surrender
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=17838

What is the spiritual difference between using a credit card to buy something or using an "invisible tattoo" of a credit card to buy something? I would submit there is no difference.

This is why I believe if there is a literal future "mark" that it must be associated with an explicit denial of Jesus Christ as Lord, or an explicit avowal of someone else as lord.

Moving to a cashless society has no spiritual implications on its own. I already use cash on an exceedingly rare basis. I even give electronically to my church. Only if it is coupled with something more sinister, like what I have stated above, would it be concerning.

Most of us have already voluntarily microchipped ourselves. It's called a cell phone.

"And ultimately, and we all know this..."

No one is ignorant of this subject among the Christian community.

The system is evil .

A global implementation of an implant that includes gps tracking, your health records , your ability to buy sell and travel. would be an ultimate surrender to the system, all individual sovereignty would be forfeited to the system.

Some folks already have a chip on their shoulder...no wait that's different. :-)

//A global implementation of an implant that includes gps tracking, your health records , your ability to buy sell and travel. would be an ultimate surrender to the system, all individual sovereignty would be forfeited to the system.//

Even if true I do not see the spiritual significance. I am not saying there is not a privacy interest but I see no spiritual component because one can remain loyal to Christ and be subject to these things.

There is a small remnant of us whom will refuse anything of the such even if it cost us our lives or causes us to starve to death or whatever.

We can expect Bro Denny if he where still alive would have been part of that remnant,
And I would expect that if Art Katz was alive would refuse the such from somethings that he spoke about the subject would have also been part of that small group that would refuse anything of the such.

Art Katz cut up his credit cards not because he abused them but because he felt they where leading in that direction.

clarity

PP what is the spiritual significance of a cashless society, in and of itself?

Phones used to have wires, now they are wireless. Does that make them inherently evil?

THIS THREAD IS REALLY GETTING UNDER MY SKIN!

What's so bad about a cashless society?

Too bad we can't go back to the good ole days of bartering, and a handshake. It was much better then.

Why so many think it is good to have 'In God We Trust' on our currency, is a good indicator of where their heads are really at.

Didn't Jesus have something to say about rendering unto...

Your life and your spirit is eternal. Again, Jesus assured us of this when he spoke of those who can but kill the body, but that is all they can do. Worship is in spirit. God knows those who worship Him in vain, and who the true worshipers are.

Ask all the martyrs, they will tell you!