Fleeing from the wrath to come-

John the Baptist came preaching: "Repent,for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand,",.....And, " Prepare the Way of The Lord,make His paths straight."

What did John the Baptist mean? .."when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism,he said unto them,O generation of vipers,who hath warned you to 'flee' from the 'wrath' to come ?

'Flee' to where ?
And: What is this 'wrath' ?,....and when is this 'wrath' ,that he is telling them about,coming?

He also tells them, to "bring forth 'fruits' fit for repentance."
Then in essence, he tells them if a tree does not bring forth 'good fruit'
It is cut down and cast into the fire.

(Pharisee means 'an actor') (Jesus called them hypocrites) ,..(I don't know what the word, Sadducee means)

Thinking along,
Blessings,
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elizabeth

//Flee to where? And: What is this wrath?//

Luke 21:20-22 "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. ***For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.***

While I agree the Pharisees were acting holy the word Pharisee doesn't mean actor. It was a title among the Jewish sect. Now hypocrite means actor and I would agree that is a synonymous description of what the Pharisee were doing. Sadducee is another religious title among the Jewish sect, they didn't believe people could be raised from the dead...which is why they were sad...you see?

In reality the Pharisees weren't necessarily bad people but rather scared of losing their identity. When Rome overtook a nation it was their first objective to assimilate and conform all other culture into Roman culture. The Pharisees were trying to guard against this Roman culture by going hyper religious which in turn caused all sorts of other problems. We all have the same tendency to preserve the norms of our world and that is just what they were doing.

Good morning Elizabeth!

"'Flee' to where ?"

I believe this is speaking specifically of fleeing to Jesus:

"and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come." (1 Thessalonians 1:10)

"And: What is this 'wrath' ?,....and when is this 'wrath' ,that he is telling them about,coming?"

These are the verses that came first of all to mind...

2 Thessalonians 1:

7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

((God bless you))

Also regarding what and when is the wrath to come these verses also...

Revelation 19:

11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. ***And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.*** 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

The wrath to come was the wrath that was to come at the Day of the Lord and in the mind of the Hebrews this day would be preceded by the final desolations of Jerusalem. This was to be the time of the advent of the Messiah when Israel's final eschatological enemies would be defeated and the righteous dead would be raised. None of this occurred in 70 AD but we have come full circle. Once again after almost 2,000 years we can see a Jewish presence in the land and Jerusalem once again in Jewish hands and likely in the future to be surrounded by hostile armies. Then the advent of the Hebrew Messiah and Savior will actually be the second coming of Christ. At the Day of the Lord. In Hebrew eschatology, all roads lead to the Day of the Lord and the Day of the Lord to come is the backdrop of which all New Testament eschatology finds its context. New Testament gospel proclamations include warnings to flee from the wrath to come in this world and the next. Jerusalem will be in the middle of the middle of the world shaking tumults to precede the coming of Christ at the Day of the Lord.

Todd,
Thank you, .... appreciate you.
The Scripture you gave,Lk.21:20-22,

" ¶ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. "

Are you saying that this was the wrath that John the Baptist was talking about, .. ..would you say fulfilled on the yr 70, or is it yet to come?

I know The Lord ,is and has been sooo long-suffering with His creation-

The Lord has not shown me much on prophesy
As of now.

Bless you,
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elizabeth

Mathew,
I appreciate your thoughts and knowledge that you have shared.
Thank you,
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elizabeth

Brandi,
I believe you are absolutely right, .. we must flee to Jesus, the only safe/secure place for us,..ever. There, we can be ever confident/trusting.

I think of Steven, ....He knew God,..He trusted in his Lord, and The Lord saved him to the otter-most,....He brought Steven,all the way through and out to the other side,..still in Him.Steven over-came.......was an over-comer.

......and just thinking along,...
He experienced the wrath of men, but NOT the wrath of God
...(that was a comforting thought)

God hid Steven's soul in the Clift of The Rock.
The hand of God covered him,...gave him the Grace to endure.
Steven loved God !

He fled from 'the wrath to come' -

Thanks for the Scripture's too,and bless you and yours Brandi,

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elizabeth

Elizabeth-

I personally think John was referencing the destruction of Jerusalem and consequently the destruction of the Jewish religious system in 70 AD. it seems obvious to me that in the Luke passage Jesus was also referencing this absolute holocaust of Jerusalem in 70 Ad.

The Pharisees and Sadducees had much to lose from the end of ritual Judaism.

Thank you David,
You said,"We have come full circle "

Yes, I believe there will be much trouble/ tumult,...maybe, this is some of His wrath that is being poured out. We see much ,that offends Him in the earth.

This should not catch us unawares as we see ,

'The Day of The Lord' approaching,......

Jesus' coming will be 'The day of The Lord',...The Light of The Lord ,will shine bright as the day ,.at His coming,.....the Everlasting Light ,...coming for the saints/faithful unto death one's,

One's that have fled from the wrath,that is coming-

Blessings,
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elizabeth

The Hebrew prophets laid the groundwork that Israel would indeed face eschatological enemies but that in the end they would be delivered out of all troubles. This was tied in with the Messianic hope but the mystery the gospel revealed was that the Messiah would appear twice. The Day of the Lord, resurrection day, therefore became the day of the second appearing of Christ. A day of rejoicing and admiration from believers but a day of tribulation and wrath for unbelievers. Final desolations of Jerusalem and a final purging of the wicked of the land was standard and basic 101 Hebrew eschatology. To be followed by the appearance of Israel's Savior and resurrection day. It's obvious that although Jerusalem was surrounded and desolated in 70 AD it didn't result in resurrection day. Yet we have come full circle and once again it is inevitable Jerusalem will end up again surrounded by hostile armies intent on its destruction. We are the first generation in almost 2,000 years to actually be able to witness this possibility.

David,
I am interested in where,in the gospels this is found,.My interest has been drawn to the 'day of the Lord',and the' resurrection '

Re:
"the mystery the gospel revealed was that the Messiah would appear twice. The Day of the Lord, resurrection day, therefore became the day of the second appearing of Christ. A day of rejoicing and admiration from believers but a day of tribulation and wrath for unbelievers."

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elizabeth

OK. Thank you. I will need a little time to organize scriptures etc. but will try and get back to you pretty quick.

Blessings.

One poster writes,

"...the righteous dead would be raised. None of this occurred in 70 AD..."

And again,

"It's obvious that although Jerusalem was surrounded and desolated in 70 AD it didn't result in resurrection day."

But...

It is written...

Matthew 27:50-54

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, expired. And behold, the vail of the temple was rent in two, from the top to the bottom: and the earth shook, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened, and many bodies of saints who slept, arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Daniel 12:2

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

I agree with what Todd wrote,

"Elizabeth-

I personally think John was referencing the destruction of Jerusalem and consequently the destruction of the Jewish religious system in 70 AD. it seems obvious to me that in the Luke passage Jesus was also referencing this absolute holocaust of Jerusalem in 70 Ad.

The Pharisees and Sadducees had much to lose from the end of ritual Judaism."

So a first fruits resurrection in approx 33 AD can be associated with events in 70 AD? I stated no resurrection occurred in 70 AD. Preterism lacks sorely it seems if it has to go to such twists in logic to make its point. Jerusalem was not under siege in 33 AD. Wow!

Thank you David, Todd, and Savannah,
For the information and your input that you have provided me.

It may take a little while before I can get back,as I need /want to do a study on the word 'Resurrection'

Blessings,
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elizabeth

Isa 26:20
Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

It is comforting to know that He always has a secret place for His people.

Dear brother,

Re:

It is comforting to know that He always has a secret place for His people.'

Yes,...comforting to know.

Thank you,
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elizabeth