It breaks my heart to think that a lot of Christians just think Catholics are another denomination
When the celebration of the reformation is just about to come up.
How many lost Catholics have gone to hell because of the compromise of the Protestant church
The delusion is almost complete in America, Dominic...........bro Frank
You probably won't like my thoughts, but.
I don't trust the Protestant for any Catholics. I do trust God, He will see to it that the Catholics that are supposed to be given to Christ will be in His Body the Church.
If I mess up and don't speak to a Catholic about their lost soul, God will see to it that someone who loves Him enough and hears His voice will speak to that Catholic about His Son and their trust that is supposed to be in Him.,
That old Hymn "Trust and obey" comes to mind. "There is no other way"
The word pistis in Greek is usually faith or believe, but it also is very strong when it comes to TRUST.
In Christ: My Trust is in Him, I mess up a lot in this department. I believe, help my unbelief. I trust, but not always-HELP!!!!: Phillip
by appolus on 2017/9/21 6:55:52The delusion is almost complete in America, Dominic ...........bro Frank
I have had Catholics that married into my family at times and they were very hard to talk to about Jesus, just in general conversation. They wouldn't listen to anything except what came from their priests mouth. But there was one who listened and loved to be prayed for in the Spirit but she never left the Catholic church.
Let me share that I believe whatever a child of God is sold out to that is not Jesus Christ, THAT can be or is their delusion. The Republican Party / the Democrat Party just to name non-Christian organizations.
God bless,
Lisa
The Catholic Church is in error on it's teachings concerning salvation, nevertheless there are many born again Christians that are still in the Catholic Church. The Charismatic Movement within the Church placed great emphasis on a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and having a knowledge of the Word of God.
There is also much error among non Catholics even in those denominations that have the right doctrine concerning salvation. Many within these churches believe that coming to the front of a church for an altar call, repeating a salvation prayer led by a pastor assures one that they are truly saved.
It is only through the work of the Holy Spirit that a Catholic or non Catholic can be saved. No man can come to Jesus unless the Father has drawn them. A person that is truly saved will repent of their sins and bring forth the fruit of being saved.
As you can see by some of the replies Dominic, most now would never have taken part in the reformation, believing that there are only some errors within the Catholic church concerning salvation but for the most part it is just another denomination ( as if even that were a good thing) "My people perish through lack of knowledge," as the darkness and delusion continues to fall and the gross darkness takes ever greater hold............bro Frank
I am addressing this question to Frank and the brothers and sisters that know that Catholics are not taught in the true way of salvation, and unless they have a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, they are lost.
So my question is this: What is your method of witnessing to these lost Catholics?
Mike, it is not only that catholics are " not taught in the true way of salvation," it is every foundational doctrine that they have, whether it is Mary worship ( Mariology and co-redemtrix, you should study these if you want to speak on catholic matters) or confession or purgatory or praying to the saints or the worship of statues or praying for dead souls who died in their sins, or, the pinnacle, the very center of who they are, much like the calf worship of Dan, transubstansiation, the magical and occultic notion that a piece of bread is, by the power invested in the priest, turned into Jesus and that the wine is turned into His blood and by these elements a man has a chance to be saved as long as he keeps taking these elements in a worthy manner and is in a worthy state at the point of his death.
If you understand even a portion of what I have just conveyed to you, you would not easily believe that catholics are " just another denomination." Just think, for centuries now, God has saved and called catholics to come out from her and millions have responded and many countless millions paid with their lives. I wonder why, for centuries, God called these people out and they were martyred and ostracized, shunned and treated abominably, but He no longer calls them out, instead He apparently must apologize for causing all the trouble that the reformation needlessly caused.
I witness to catholics the same way I would witness to any poor pagan lost to treacherous religion that would lead them down into the bowels of hell from which there would be no prayers that could release them...........bro Frank
It is on the bases that Frank has described that I believe the RCC fits the bill for most end times prophecies be it the whore church or the beast or "doctrine if demons" etc etc.
The Puritans believed it, commentators like Matthew Henry and Gill believed it and there is no good basis to say they are mistaken
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Do Catholics go to heaven? If their faith is genuine then yes they do despite their wrong beliefs. Paul worked in and among people far more entrenched in paganism then the catholics. I find a protestant to be judging a catholic partly humerous considering the complete mess and chaos of modern evangelical denominations/non-denominations. We should not be so quick to assume our beliefs our right and theirs our wrong considering we are not much better off.
I would like to add that if we judge them as "unsaved" because they are catholic we are mimicing their notiom of salvation through the church that we ourselves criticize.
They have the seed of life in them through their belief in Christ, lets focus on bringing out that life and the truth will follow.
Just to be clear I am not judging catholic persons but rather the institutional RCC. Sadly most Catholics do not know any better. My wife grew up in a catholic home and she came out of the RCC. I do not doubt that many Catholics love Jesus but this is dangerously tainted by the evils of the RCC.
From Martyr:That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Do Catholics go to heaven? If their faith is genuine then yes they do despite their wrong beliefs.
Can someone be saved by believing another gospel?
Those who do not question a denomination and its teaching have no love for the Truth, if they have, they will be out of it... They value the man made religion than what God has to say...
The scriptures state that belief in Jesus as Lord and in His resurrection you will be saved.
We are saved by faith in the living Christ, not by our knowledge. Do you think you are fully correct and complete in your knowledge of the gospel? And if so do you think it is this knowledge and understanding that saves you?
When a person believes on Christ, the life of Christ enters into them and they are saved. Every vessel is different. Some believe unto a deeper understanding, some have hearts so full of sin they only have a little bit of their heart left to give unto belief in Christ. Both are saved by their faith. One has less work to be done, in Christ, than the other regarding "santification" and coming to a complete knowledge but both are saved.
Time has revealed that i knew very little of the gospel when i was saved even though at the time i thought i knew it. Profession and heed to modern evangelical interpretations is not how one is saved. Christ is life to all those who put their faith in Him.
Sorry but we protestants are not the right ones. Christ is.
Jesus says, "If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine..." (John 7:17)
One way to look at this verse is that the longer you walk with God, the more apparent it would be as to which doctrines are true and which aren't.
On the flip side, those who remain ignorant or resist important doctrines is because they simply do not want to do God's will.
Martyr,
I agree that we are saved not by knowledge or doctrine, but through Jesus Christ. This means that salvation has to be ALL of Jesus Christ - trusting all in Him, and not in our works or anything else.
To trust Christ is to trust the true gospel. If you trust is elsewhere, you are simply not trusting in Christ. You cannot simultaneously believe Christ and another gospel.
To claim that one can believe in another gospel and be saved is dangerous. Only the true gospel is the power of God unto salvation, all the other fake variants will lead to damnation. Paul fought tooth and nail to preserve the integrity of the gospel - c.f. Galatians. We must do likewise, otherwise we would be nullifying both the power and the grace of God.
Brother why did you not quote the full verse?
Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.
So if you look at the whole verse and the context a more accurate interpretation would be anyone who chooses to do the will of God (and this is the will of God, to believe in the one he sent) will come to know the validity of Christs teachings (doctrine=teaching) and that they are from God.
So looking at the full verse it does not prove your point. Catholics both affirm Christ and that His words are true. However, i am in agreement that these things are not interpreted properly by them in many cases. This does not mean they are not saved, only that they will be saved by fire (by the skin of their teeth, as it were). Theyre adherence to false catholic beliefs hinders them from being complete in Christ but it does not mean they are not saved.
As to believing in the gospel the word gospel means good news. It is the good news that Christ, the only begotten of God, came into this world, died for our sins and was resurrected. Do not catholics believe this?
The issue is whether Jesus plus anything else is still the gospel.
If I believe that Jesus died for my sins and was resurrected, but was the brother of Michael the archangel am I saved?
Martyr,
The full John 7:17 verse you quoted asserts the same implication - if a person does not eventually arrive at the gospel of grace, then it shows that he does not want to do the will of God.
If you believe that a person can believe in a false gospel and still be saved, I cannot agree with you.
Paul extensively addresses this in Galatians - he calls this "fallen from grace". We must allow Scripture to shape our views, rather than our own preconceptions of who is "saved" or "unsaved".
Catholics have a different gospel , a different way of salvation they do not believe in sola scriptura and they place the doctrines of the church above scriptures
I have the catholic cataclysms on my iPad and computer and want to show you directly this is what as a Christian we believe and this is where it goes directly against scripture
To think about the many Martyrs that gave there lives for the scriptures so we could read them and read things like Tyndale up to spurgeon and others decrying the abomination of the Catholic Church even someone like tozer
Are all those that died in the reformation in vain, we have forgotten and it is has cost us dearly , Martin Luther nailing the 99 thesis to the wall.
There is either two paths we can either accept the ecumenical movement and interfaith movements and go down the path to a one world religion or we can follow Christ , which will it be , your choice
I agree with Frank regarding the serious, damnable errors of the RCC. That said, I do believe that some Catholics (much fewer than within Protestant Evangelicalism) are born again. I believe the main issue is who and/or what are they trusting in for salvation and with whom or what do they have a relationship? Are they trusting in their works, in their church, in the pope, in their bishops or priests? Do they have a supposed relationship with the false Mary or the false saints (idols/demons) to whom they pray (instead of praying to the Father through Christ as we're instructed in the Bible)? Or are they trusting in Christ alone and do they have a living relationship with Him?
That said, I would definitely exhort all Catholics to leave the RCC due to its serious, damnable doctrinal errors officially taught by their leaders.
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