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Is the resurrection of Jesus Christ a literal, historical event???

sermonindex Oct 18, 2017

1 Corithians 15:13-14

ӢӢӢBut if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching as vain, your faith also is vain.ӢӢӢ

It has often heard it said that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is central to Christianity. If one can disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ then one can destroy Christianity. If one can produce the remains of the body of Jesus Christ then one will have proved that Christianity has been a lie.

Question... Did the resurrection of Jesus Christ actually take place in time and space? Can it be demonstrated from history that Christ has actually been raised from the dead? Or have we been believing a myth all of these years? In other words is the resurrection of Jesus Christ a historical fact demonstrated from events in history?

Question posed by Blaine Scogin

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Elibeth Oct 18, 2017

Dear brother,
Yes !
Christ was raised by God,The Father,...absolutely!

But what ,I believe it is talking about here is,..
His resurrection in us,...He died ,we excepted His death,..but what about His resurrection in us ?
If we are to have His Life,worked out in us, ...we to, must die.

Notice,a little farther down shows us some clarification,,as to what Paul is saying, when he says, 'I die daily'....dying that The Life of God may be made manifest in us.

I listened to some of Major Ian Thomas' u tube s this morning,..he emphasizes the resurrected Life of God in us..All of His speakings, that I have heard, have been wonderful, ....was my 'GOOD MORNING'

Hope that helps and not complicates-🙏

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elizabeth

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TMK Oct 18, 2017

Bear why are you asking such a question? I doubt anyone here does not believe Jesus was literally resurrected.

sermonindex Oct 18, 2017

Elibeth writes...

"But what ,I believe it is talking about here is,..
His resurrection in us,...He died ,we excepted His death,..but what about His resurrection in us ?
If we are to have His Life,worked out in us, ...we to, must die."

My sister I certainly believe this and affirm that He has been raised from the dead. And we certainly are living in His resurrection life. I would say that this would be secondary evidence. At least a testimony of His resurrection power in us.

But what I am asking is can we prove from objective historical evidence that the resurrection of Jesus Christ was an actual historical event in space and time. We as believers are making an absurd claim by saying that the One we follow has been raised from the dead.

There are those in the forum who want to debate whether Genesis was an actual historical book full of fact or was it a myth. I'm simply trying to get to the foundation of our faith which is the resurrection of Jesus. This is where our faith stands or falls.

So I ask respectfully in the forum is the resurrection of Jesus Christ an actual historical fact? Can the facts of history substantiate that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised from the dead?

We as believers in Christ are making an absurd Claim by believing that the One we follow was raised from the dead and sits at the right hand side of God. If we are in a discussion with an atheist, can we appeal to history to substantiate the claim that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead???

Blaine

sermonindex Oct 18, 2017

Elibeth I do not discount what you're saying dear sister. And I certainly believe with my heart what you have written.

Blaine

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havok20x Oct 18, 2017

Bear,

This type of argument takes a particular kind of logic. Let me explain:

If I were to say, "Prove to me that Hitler wasn't reading '2nd Corinthians' on April 5, 1922." You have to show evidence of everything that WAS occurring to make that case. Even if you show loads of evidence of things that he was doing at the time, the objector could still say "You MUST provide an itinerary of every single moment in time that he was awake that day." However, you can make a strong case for it based on the evidence, but you will never be able to satisfy a stubborn objector, if that makes sense.

So, to directly answer your question, here are some important things to consider:

The claim of the resurrection of Christ is documented outside of the Bible. Pliny the younger and Josephus and Tacitus along with others speak about Christians and some of their beliefs.

The Bible states that there were over 500 eye witnesses, and this was written well within the lifespan of some of those witnesses. The fact that this claim was made is a steep gamble for anyone trying to deceive anyone. The apostles also were eye witnesses and even died to defend that claim. Looking at the lives they lived according to Scripture and history, we see that they--in a worldly sense--gained VERY VERY little. In fact, they lost most of their affluence and influence within the greater Roman empire, and KNOWINGLY did so. The same is true with many of their converts, who willfully gave their lives for what they claimed to be true, accurate, and of which many claimed to be eye witnesses.

The fact that an empty tomb was claimed is extremely important. If the disciples stole away the body of Jesus as the Jews claimed, why were they so willing to die for what they KNEW was a lie from the get-go? Also, if they stole the body away, how is it that the Roman guards were not killed, as is custom when they fail in their duty. How did the disciples roll away the stone without the guards realizing? How is it they stole the body away without suffering even 1 casualty or injury by the hands of the roman guards who would have been trained to lay their lives down for their duty?

If Jesus didn't really, actually die--how could he have faked death on the cross, when the Romans were trained to identify that their job was complete (spear in the side)? How could Jesus have garnered any followers if He was bloody, beaten, and likely--if the non-death theory were true--dying from the crucifixion?

The evidence is circumstantial, but circumstantial evidence, couple with eye witnesses accounts is Gospel (pun totally intended).

sermonindex Oct 18, 2017

I thought I would retitle the thread how many people believe in the literal resurrection of Jesus Christ? This might engender more discussion.

Blaine

sermonindex Oct 18, 2017

Habok writes...

"The evidence is circumstantial, but circumstantial evidence, couple with eye witnesses accounts is Gospel (pun totally intended)."

Brother very excellent post. You present a very compelling case for the historiocity of the resurrection of Jesus. Granted that historical evidence alone will not convince a stubborn mind. For a non believer who is open to discussion on the histororical basis of the resurrection of Jesus Christ could certainly lead to fruitful discussion.

For those interested in apologetics it seems that the historical basis of the resurrection is certainly something to be considered as we talk to people about the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for your post.

Blaine

sermonindex Oct 18, 2017

Okay playing around again with the title. Did not want to detract from the Genesis thread.

Can we say that the resurrection of Jesus Christ was an actual historical event? Does anybody else have any thoughts on this topic?

Another question is should we say that the resurrection of Jesus Christ should be a topic that should be entered in regarding apologetic discussions about Christianity?

Blaine

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romanchog Oct 18, 2017

The answer is that this can be proven historical with non-biblical texts. It has already been done. Gary Habermas wrote a book on it, and you can even find him on YouTube.

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twayneb Oct 18, 2017

The answer is that this can be proven historical with extra-biblical texts. It has already been done. See Gary Habermas

And yet I have a little bit of a problem with begging evidence from extraBiblical sources. The fact that there is extraBiblical evidence is awesome, but if I need to present extraBiblical evidence to "prove" the Bible true, I am indeed in trouble. The Bible is the most reliable, historical text extant. It is to be trusted over all other historical writings.

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TMK Oct 18, 2017

The primary evidence for me is the martyrdom, often horribly, of the apostle eyewitnesses.

Many people may sacrifice their life for something they believe to be true, even if they are mistaken(e.g. Islamic terrorists). However, no one would die for something they KNOW to be a lie. Just before they would be hung upside down on a cross or have their head chopped off, one of them would have said: "okay, you got me. We made the whole thing up." But none said this and most were martyred. Why? Because they knew it was true.

PS- The comparison of this topic to the Genesis topic is 100% apples and oranges.

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JFW Oct 19, 2017

Just to add...
Lee Strobel- Case for Christ, does a very good job of this.

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davidkeel Oct 19, 2017

I have not got around to reading all of this but it's been on my phone for a while. It's quite in depth from the Biblical History website.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/

sermonindex Oct 19, 2017

Heard about a book entitled Who Moved the Stone by Frank Morrison. I think this book was written in the early 1900s. Evidently the author started out to disprove the resurrection. But in the process found himself accepting it and becoming a Christian. I think this book was a driving force in Lee Strobel's book the Case for Christ.

Wondering if anybody read the book Who Moved the Stone.

Blaine

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deltadom Oct 19, 2017

Yes I can present a very good case for this Gary Habermas and Dr Mike Liconas book goes into the detail

The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Case-Resurrection-Jesus-Gary-Habermas-ebook/dp/B001QOGJY0/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1508432365&sr=1-5

I disagree with him on the Inerracy of Scripture as I believe the Scripture is Inerrant

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Gloryandgrace Oct 23, 2017

I believe in the literal, bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, anything else is heresy. This is not a secondary issue.

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Gloryandgrace Oct 23, 2017

Brother Blaine:

"For those interested in apologetics it seems that the historical basis of the resurrection is certainly something to be considered as we talk to people about the Lord Jesus Christ"

How would you incorporate the doctrine of the resurrection in a witness to someone who has not heard the gospel yet?

I do this all the time, but I would like your take on it.

sermonindex Oct 24, 2017

Matbin writrs...

"How would you incorporate the doctrine of the resurrection in a witness to someone who has not heard the gospel yet?"

It has been years since I have engaged in apologetic discussions with non-believers. But I do have a heart for Muslims. I would imagine that if I found a Muslim it was open to dialogue. I would preaent to them the evidence that testifies to the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I would either give them Lee strobel's book or Josh McDowell's book of Evidence that Demands a Verdict. Hopefully after reading those books some meaningful dialogue will ensue.

Of course the above would be if we were in a perfect world. Right now I don't know what the Lord would have you do if I came across a Muslim.

Perhaps brother you can share your experiences as they are probably more recent than mine of how you've incorporated the historical evidence of the Resurrection in your discussions.

Blaine

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Gloryandgrace Oct 24, 2017

Hi Brother Blaine

I enjoy street witnessing, I go to malls, outdoor malls, parks, beaches etc and share my faith.

When I am able to share the gospel, the good news part of the gospel always includes the resurrection.
I do not attempt to offer the resurrection in terms of an apologetic engagement. I offer the resurrection as an incorporated work of Christ in the past now evident in my own life. Jesus laid down his life for me and as he promised took it up again so that he might do for me what I cannot do...or do well.
Jesus being raised up intercedes for me... ( I may add this if the Lord directs me to speak about prayer)
Jesus being raised up now rules all the kingdoms of the earth and will judge all kingdoms and individuals in the last day.
So, in this respect I share not only the historical event, I include Jesus right-now life as King over all Kings, Intercessor for me who needs his merciful prayers, He is Lord of my life, whereby my allegiance, my faith and my love are all directed toward him...because his resurrection is an act of God's love for sinners. Since I am a sinner and you are a sinner I get to receive salvation because Jesus came into the world to save sinners. I believe this, and this belief in him changes everything.

This is the kind of easy straight forward witness I give (and plenty of others). I do not attempt at all to seg-way into at gospel witness, I go straight into a question "Have you heard the gospel of Jesus Christ?" So, it makes it easy for me to begin a casual conversation.

I am able to incorporate judgment, the resurrection, crucifixion, the atonement, creation, prayer, our sinfulness, the fall of man...it depends how the Spirit of God is directing me with the person.

It is the common thing to speak to a dozen people in about an hour...and none of them, (maybe one or two on rare occasion) have ever heard the gospel; even those who go to church have no conception of the gospel, judgment or the sinfulness of man.

Its as though I am describing life on the planet earth to someone who lives there but doesn't get out much.

Hope this helps

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