Justin Peters

I've been listening to him for the past couple days on YouTube, he exposes a lot of different pastors and the WOF movement. He backs up all he talks about with scripture, it's just amazing some of the cuts from sermons from different pastors he exposes. It's unbelievable these churches don't just have thousands, get up and walk out during the teaching of these false gospels some teach. Creflo Dollar for example said we are all Gods, because we come from the God head, are you kidding me! how does folks set and listen and agree with this? Anyway if you feel lead, listen to Justin, he's a very humble person, that tries his best to use a little grace in exposing these pastors, but sometimes it's not easy for him. It about blew my mind when he said Jesse Duplantis lives in a 35,000 sq. ft. home, and these "lost" folks just keep flocking to these ministries.

"...listen to Justin, he's a very humble person..."

Yeah Bill, I have listened to him for years. He builds on a solid foundation. I think his ministry has helped many to discern and to avoid these false teachers peddling their false gospel message and living extravagant lifestyles.

Thanks for the reminder of Justin Peters, and the ministry God has given him for the edification of the body of Christ.

I'm glad you have had the opportunity to listen to him.

Thanks savannah, I like Justin's approach, very humble, not loud, just presenting the facts, facts speak loud enough. We all really need to pray for these ministries, and their congregations, as they are so lost only God can fix them.

I've listened to Justin too. I appreciate his investigation and debunking the W.O.F movement and exposes various preachers who exploit the body of Christ.

He is not edifying when he decides to toss the whole charismatic movement under the bus. He is not helping the charismatics by categorizing them as 1. emotionally driven suckers who believe anything. 2. Lacking knowledge of scripture to even attempt to obtain the charismata. 3. All that comes forth from them is falsehood, fakery, emotionalism and bad fruit.

To this I say Justin is all wet and because of his unbelief in the Charismata he cannot help the Charismatics correct their course outside of avoiding and anathematizing the W.O.F movement. He cannot edify them to pursue spiritual gifts and learn how to use them when in fact he lumps them and the gifts into the loony arena. He cannot grow that part of the body because his own errors will not allow him to speak to improve their discernment or how to listen to God and understand how to correct themselves or others pertaining to any manifestations of the Spirit.

So while I appreciate and thank God for his discerning and wisdom to help many refuse the false and love the true, he cannot get much farther than preaching to his own Choir. To minister to a Charismatic who knows the truth of God's anointing and empowering, telling them its all emotionalism and false and they all better take up cessationism or be considered 'lunatic fringe' Christians is not an appeal to believe the truth, its an appeal to their fears whereby if they concede to Justin's teaching they can be approved of men...and deny the power of God which works in his people today.

I believe the Charismatic movement is dying and those charismatics that want to grow in their faith will be absorbed by the Reformed or Pentacostals or Assemblies of God because they are wise enough to know God does consider 1 cor 12,13,14 as still viable and true today.

Justin and those of his persuasion should know that the greatest evangelism done today and for the last 40 years has not been done by cessationists but by continuationists. Arguments against them in the form of false teachers and false signs are real and need to be corrected. But before any of the cessationists get big headed, they must realize it was the liberal theologians in their camps that killed the work of God through them. They believed in error, promoted teachings and leaders that were in error and poisoned the body of Christ with them. But the cessationist wants his place in the body and with his doctrine and fundamentalism demands a place. Should not the Charismatics who love Jesus too...with all their fleas be allowed the same dignity?

Marvin you lost me on a lot of your post. I do feel he does a great job exposing the crazy things some pastors say during their sermons. Personally I say him and folks like him are valuable to anyone seeking to join some of these churches he exposes. As a Christian, I totally believe in the power of prayer, and the God heals through Prayer, not man. No man can heal, when we lay hands on folks or whatever, if they are healed, they are healed through God.

Physicians can place bones back together, but God mends them. Physicians can cut you open and remove a tumor, but only God can heal your body and prevent another tumor from coming back in its place. Physicians can give you medicine not to feel any pain, but only God can heal you of that pain and what’s causing it. God’s way is the sure way. James said, "Is any among you afflicted? let him pray.

Justin also exposes all the people that claim they have been to Heaven, he may not be perfect, but he is of some value to folks that are deceived, by these false teachers and liars.

I also believe no man has ever seen God or Heaven...No one has ascended into Heaven, but He who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. John 3:13

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. John 1:18

As for as anyone having any spiritual gifts today, this argument could go on forever. I've personally never witnessed anyone with any spiritual gifts, if you know of someone, I would love to meet them and talk with them about their gift. I do believe that the gift of faith still exists today. I believe in the bigness of God, He is sovereign over all the affairs of life, none of us has it all together, no one has a corner on the truth.

I do believe that God is no longer granting individuals special powers to perform miracles at will, that through Prayer and Prayer only does it all. This is just what I believe, and I respect anyone's opinion that differs from mine.

Hi Mr Bill:

you said.

"As for as anyone having any spiritual gifts today, this argument could go on forever. I've personally never witnessed anyone with any spiritual gifts, if you know of someone, I would love to meet them and talk with them about their gift. I do believe that the gift of faith still exists today. I believe in the bigness of God, He is sovereign over all the affairs of life, none of us has it all together, no one has a corner on the truth."

You are talking to someone who has spiritual gifts, God has seen fit to manifest them over the years in various ways.

As for Justin Peters, my post was only to show that he has this blind spot and instead of coveting the spiritual gifts it ends up being a negation of them, instead of seeking to edify by the gifts its an argument against them stemming from an overblown eschatology that relegates spirituals to the past.

I praise the Lord for Justin Peters and various ones just like him in the body of Christ. My critique of his dismissal of the charismata is not be understood as a disapproval of my brother or a diminishing of his value and blessing he has been to the body. My intent was to show that without that blind spot his audience would increase and his helpfulness to the Charismatics would be just as powerful as it is in correction of the W.O.F.

Marvin, if you say you have spiritual gifts, who am I to argue that, that would be between you and God. Marvin, just because I don't believe in spiritual gifts today, doesn't make that fact, just my belief.

bearmaster...But when one argues from a theological system with no practical experience in what they are saying. It is hard to attach credibility to their position.

Mr Bill.

You said you would like to talk to that person, if that is true, ask away. You had not met anyone, but now you have. You have opportunity to ask me of my experiences and my doctrine please do.

We do have the word of God as final authority in all matters, that is absolute. But my experience and my doctrine and my relationship with Christ constitute the whole of my explanations.

I've had many years to look back and scrutinize what God has done and is doing through the manifestation of the Spirit, I see where I was right on mark and where I was being pulled by the foolishness of powerless men.

I'll happily tell you the truth of my experiences and how doctrine and experience shape my life.

Although I do not want to derail this thread, if you want to start a new one or email me, either one is ok. If you prefer to drop it, that's ok too, I am not shy about what God has done, but they are precious to me and reveal more than just "what God did or said at some moment" They reveal his love for me and for those who God sent me too.

Marvin, I would be happy to email you with my phone number, I’ve had many phone conversations with many members here, but I’m definitely interested in talking to you one day. I’m usually in bed by 9 pm central time, just a habit, but we will get together soon if you’re ok with a phone conversation.
Thanks!

Mr Bill: please email me, It would be an honor and blessing to me to have a conversation with you. Friday is a good day for me to contact you before you hit the hay.

I am pacific time so by the time I'm off work you are long asleep. I'll give you a call when it's convenient for you.

Answers are from the pen of Justin Peters taken from his website;

Do you believe God still physically heals today?

Yes, I do. Possibly one of the biggest misconceptions about my theology is that I do not believe God still grants physical healing. I not only believe that He can but also that He does.