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Des Jun 25, 2005

Does anyone know of any Christian Hip-Hop groups that are honoring God? No unequally yoked artists please. The Cross Movement was strong but they have severely compromised by signing a distribution deal with Provident Music which is owned by major label giant BMG. From 1984 until 1995 I idolized the artists that made up the Hip-Hop industry. It shaped my life and Satan used the Hip-Hop culture to lead me astray. I even thought about becoming a member of the Nation of Islam because many of my rap heroes followed Louis Farrakhan. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2Corinthians 4:4, ESV Praise be to God! For he snatched my soul away from Satan. I still love the sounds of boom-bap but not the worldly compromise that is part of the Contemporary Christian Music Industry. I would love to see a Christian Emcee exposing the false teachings of these wolves that are everywhere in the inner cities of America. I see that The Cross Movement is coming to a Portland, Oregon church where the husband and wife pastor. :cry: NO COMPROMISE! Des

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_Disciple_ Jun 26, 2005

Hi DesKJ-52 is a rapper, you might want to check that out.www.kj-52.comand here is an e-cardwww.behindthemusik.comand there is also a christian hip hop radiowww.christian-hiphop.netstay close!William

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repentcanada Jun 26, 2005

hey des could you email me - repentcanada@gmail.com or send me yours?bless the LORD,ricky earle

sermonindex Jun 26, 2005

KJ-52 is really good. I dont care for rap or hip-hop myself, but my pre-teen boys like him. I've checked him out pretty thoroughly (as I do ANY Christian musician my kids are interested in!) and he seems pretty sound.Grits is another good hip-hop rap group. I like that their lyrics are "in your face" (anyone surprised by that??). The only issue I have with them so far is that they are under the authority of a woman pastor... so I question their understanding and discernment concerning that. But lyrically... no problems.Krispy

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Des Jun 26, 2005

Unfortunately, KJ-52 and Grits are both signed to secular labels. :-( I just know that there has to be a hip-hop artist standing firm for Jesus Christ. NO COMPROMISE! I will keep searching....It took me three years to find a church in my area where God's Word is not compromised. I will be patient in this matter also. God bless, Des

sermonindex Jun 27, 2005

While I am certainly no fan of Christian artists being on Christian labels which are owned by secular media moguls... which is the case with KJ-52 and Grits... I do not think that we can throw a blanket over all Christian artists and say they are compromised Christians. Thats taking judging a little too far, I think. They may be lacking discernment, but I dont think we can judge their motives. If you chose not to buy their CD's cuz you dont want to be giving money to Sony, Fox, or whoever... thats one thing, but your post indicates that you're judging these artists to be compromised, and I'm not sure thats something you should do... since you dont know them.Just food for thought :-) ,Krispy

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Des Jun 27, 2005

The Temple of the Living God Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore go out from their midst, and be separate from them, says the Lord,and touch no unclean thing; then I will welcome you, and I will be a father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me,says the Lord Almighty." 2 Corinthians 6:14, ESV NO COMPROMISE! True men of God never win popularity contests. Living In Laodicea, Des

sermonindex Jun 27, 2005

Des... I'm with ya, and I agree. My only point is that we can not judge the heart or motives of these people with a broad brush. In fact, you cant judge their hearts at all. But that seems to be what you're doing.I consider it to be compromise to use the ESV... but I am not judging your heart. How can I? I know nothing about you. I hope you hold yourself to the same standards you seem to be holding others to. Is there any compromise in your life? I know there is in mine. I'm trying to work thru those areas, but I also know on this earth I will never reach perfection... there will always be some area of compromise. How about you, my friend?Krispy

sermonindex Jun 27, 2005

Des...I'm just curious about something. Other than the ESV, what versions of the Bible do you use? (NO, I promise you I am not going to turn this into another Bible version debate!) I'm going somewhere with this, and it relates to the topic at hand...Krispy

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Des Jun 27, 2005

Krispy,NASB Original, NASB Update, NKJV and KJV are the Bible translations I use. I had a KJV only elder from a neighborhood church come to my house recently. I was polite but I don't waste my time engaging in worthless debates. I have done my homework and you can do nothing to change my mind about the ESV. As far as standards I look to the Bible. Man's wisdom is worthless and it has led this country on a highway to hell. I'm not perfect but I have little time for Christians who desire to get in bed with the world to do the work of the Lord. The Bible clearly warns us in 2 Corinthians 6:14, Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? Have you read Steve Camp's'The 107 Theses - A Call for Reformation for Contemporary Christian Music'? The contemporary Christian? music industry ignored this call that was birthed out of much prayer, fasting and study of God's Word. Men who stand for God's truth are never popular. Give it a read. God bless, Des

sermonindex Jun 28, 2005

I was polite but I don't waste my time engaging in worthless debates.You may consider contending for the purity of God's Holy Word to be a waste of time... but I personally have a higher regard than that for it.But bible version debates is NOT my intention here. Hopefully we wont get side tracked.Anyway... my point is that Zondervan publishes 2/3's of the Bibles that are in print. They own the copyright to the NIV. Zondervan is owned by a secular company. So are most of the Christian publishing companies now.You should check out the publishers of the Bibles you own or buy. Not every one of them is published by well meaning Christians. That may be the case at Zondervan itself, but the money flows upward... into the pockets of secular companies.Now, Zondervan does publish some KJV Bibles, but there is NO copyright on the KJV, so they do not have sole ownership of the text like they do the NIV.But what I'm saying is... if you are going to judge Christian musicians by this standard, then you better be real careful who is publishing the Bible you're reading, and who owns the copyright. Same thing for any Christian books you buy. Some of the big Christian book store chains are also secular owned at the top. Check the money trail, because if you dont, then you are being hypocritical. Your money is ending up in the hands of secular companies.When I buy a Bible (KJV) I ONLY buy it from Christian publishers who are NOT secular owned. There are many smaller publishers out there who publish only the KJV, and they Christian owned and operated.Now, understand... I agree with you. I do not like the fact that most CCM is secular controlled. But I can and will not judge a Christian musician's motives or walk with the Lord. I dont know them. I can judge what they say and preach and sing about... and draw conclusions from that... but I can not simply say they are compromised based on who they signed a contract with. Not even Steve Camp or Keith Green did that.Krispy

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Des Jun 28, 2005

Krispy, As a young Christian I briefly attended a Willow Creek based church that used Zondervan's Not Inspired Version. I quickly found out about secular owned publishing companies and the NIV. You are preaching to the choir. I buy my books from Pilgrim Discount. They're an independent store. Now, understand... I agree with you. I do not like the fact that most CCM is secular controlled. But I can and will not judge a Christian musician's motives or walk with the Lord. I dont know them. I can judge what they say and preach and sing about... and draw conclusions from that... but I can not simply say they are compromised based on who they signed a contract with. Not even Steve Camp or Keith Green did that. Did you read 2 Corinthians 6:14-15 and Steve Camp's 107 Theses: A Call for Reformation for the CCM? The Bible is crystal clear about being unequally yoked with unbelievers. I will stand on the truth of God's Word, not the wisdom of man. Hell Is Burning While The Church Sleeps, Des

sermonindex Jun 28, 2005

Whatever man... we are in agreement, so I'm kinda losing focus on what it is that we're debating. I just dont think you can run around pointing out fellow believers and telling everyone that those folks are compromised... when you dont even know them, and you're basing your opinion on one aspect of their lives.Should Christian artists sign with secular companies? NO, not if they consider what they do to be ministry. If they want to call it what it is... entertainment, and admit that they are in the biz merely to entertain and not minister... then it's no different than working a secular job.But I refuse to point a finger at Steve Curtis Chapman and say "He's a compromiser! Everybody look... he's a compromiser." I just dont know how someone can do that when you dont know the person's heart.This is completely different from pointing out a heretic. What you're doing is pointing out indivisual people's sin publicly. That is unscriptural. If you find a false doctrine in KJ-52's songs, then by all means... go public with it. Thats scriptural. But to call the man a compromiser when you know nothing of his motivations? No, you're wrong.I contend that if you're honest and you dig deep enough... you'll find compromise in you're own life. I do. Everyone does who is honest. Keith Green did right until the day he died.There is merit to the debate of whether Christian artists should sign with secular owned companies, and I agree with the premise of your argument. What sparked my contention here is when you called two artists compromisers. You are not their judge.Krispy

sermonindex Jun 28, 2005

Hell Is Burning While The Church SleepsI appreciate your zealousness... it is refreshing to see someone consumed with holiness. Just be sure to mix mercy and love with into that stew. It comes with time and experience... Krispy

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Des Jun 28, 2005

Krispy, This will be my last post concerning this subject. We are ambassadors of Jesus Christ. We represent Him to this dying world. Unfortunately the CCMI believes that by partnering with the world they will reach the lost. That is completely wrong! 2 Corinithians 6:14-15 I have seen the bitter fruit that it has produced. God's Word clearly warns us against being unequaly yoked. Read about Samson and Delilah. Phillistines equal the world today. You never see our Lord being sponsored by the world in His three years of earthly ministry. No servant is greater than his master. Matthew 4 1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Some people want to live Within the sound of chapel bells But I want to run a mission A yard from the gates of HellAnd with everyone you meet I'll take them the gospel and share it wellAnd look around you as you hesitateFor another soul just fell Let's run to the battleRun to the battle Run To The Battle, Steve Camp God bless, Des

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mloaks Jun 28, 2005

Great thread!Hmm...Working for a secular label is no crime, but is wrought with dangers. Like preaching from a streetcorner?Women Pastors are fine with me if they submit to their husbands spiritually and biblically. At our ELCA church, as much as she is able, our Pastor ministers to us as all the women did for Christ; notice how Christ was ministered to by women mainly, and had to straighten out the men much more often? But I do dislike women with real short hair, so some of Paul's teachings resound with me! :-P Seriously, music and women are something all male beleivers better take real seriously, and it sounds like y'all do...

sermonindex Jun 28, 2005

Yep, Des... we agree 100%.You just choose to ignore the point I was making. But thats ok... no biggy.Krispy

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deltadom Jun 28, 2005

Are we trying to sanctify something that is unholy!!!

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inotof Jun 28, 2005

i'm experienceing deja' vu. i have not been on in a while and it seemed like this debate was rolling when i left. at any rate. i'm for ccm to some degree but i also see the product of tkaing it too far. don't believe me look at xx-church (not sure if that is the correct website so don;t go there) but a bunch of pastors are trying to reach the porn addict with porn, it is a very terribile web site. it just goes to show you that ccm CAN be, though not always, a very dangerous "tool" for the gospel. here's the real question. if the intent is to reach the lost, then why do we listen to it? are we listening to the gospel presented in a culturally relvant format or is it we b flippin' the wax to some phat beats that are the equivelent to the secular so that we look or feel relevant or cool? just one of those things that make you go hmmmmmm. . 8-)

sermonindex Jun 28, 2005

but a bunch of pastors are trying to reach the porn addict with pornYou're kidding me...If this is true, then those who 30 years ago who asked the question (concerning CCM when it was first starting) "What's next? Christian porn?" have been vindicated.Krispy

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