Do we really want Revival ?

With revival people are convicted of sin, many experience hell or the brevity of there sin.
What we tend to do is put all the positive points of revival without the persecution and holiness of God.
I so want a true revival rather than a false one.

George Whitefield
Portrait of a Revival Preacher
http://www.ravenhill.org/whitefield.htm

In America, Whitefield pushed through the matted forests to reach the Indians. From tribe to tribe he went and from wigwam to wigwam. To get to the encampments of the Delawares, he shot the angry rapids in a frail bark canoe. He ferreted out the backwoodsmen. Men must hear the message; they must have the life of God in their souls.

From the squalor of Indian camps this seraph-like preacher moved with ease of disposition to the stately historic homes of England. Whence all those carriages? What drew those poets, peers and princes, philosophers and wits together? Proud of their blue blood and pedigree, those aristocrats came - some of them three times a week - to hear the scorching words "Ye must be born again."

From a lordly chamber heavy with the pungent aroma of costly perfumes, Whitefield would race off to a street meeting. Catch his joy as he says, "There I was honored with having stones, dirt, rotten eggs, and pieces of dead cats thrown at me."

Coming from Gloucester as he did, Whitefield knew that for being too outspoken on the things of Christ during Queen Mary's reign, Bishop Hooper of Gloucester was burned within sight of his own cathedral. Whitefield cared not about consequences for obedience. Tyndale was a Gloucester man too, and think what his faith cost him!

or William Booth
The Skeleton Army
https://lexloiz.wordpress.com/tag/william-booth/
The procession arrived at its destination with bruised and bleeding faces, with ton and mud-bespattered garments, cheering the General who had passed unscathed through the rabble.
‘Now’s the time,’ he said, regarding his ragged, wounded and excited followers, ‘to get your photographs taken.’
Riots occurred at Bath, Guildford, Arbroath, Forfar, and many other places. In twelve months, it is recorded, 669 Salvationists, of whom 251 were women, were ‘knocked down, kicked, or brutally assaulted.’ Fifty-six buildings of The Army were stormed and partially wrecked. Eighty-six Salvationists, fifteen of them women, were thrown into prison. From one end of the kingdom to the other, this effort to break up The Army was carried on in a most shameless fashion under the very eyes of the law, the mob attacking the Salvationists, the police arresting the Salvationists, the magistrates sentencing the Salvationists.’[i]

Richard Collier: ‘But molestation wasn’t confined to the streets…At Plymouth, Devon, forty men armed with brimming chamber pots stormed the hall to drench James Dowdle, "The Saved Railway Guard,” with urine. Time and again meetings were closed down in wild confusion…Even 1,500 police doing extra duty every Sunday seemed powerless to protect Booth’s troops.
Neither age nor sex proved a barrier, for the mobs were out for blood. In Northampton, one blackguard tried to knife a passing lassie; Wolverhampton thugs flung lime in a Salvationist child’s eyes. At Hastings, Mrs. Susannah Beaty, one of Booth’s first converts on Mile End Waste, became The Army’s first martyr…Reeling under a fire of rocks and putrid fish, she was kicked deliberately in the womb and left for dead in a dark alley of the Old Town. [ii]

We want revival but most people have not studied it,

A revival always includes conviction of sin
"A revival always includes conviction of sin on the part of the church. Back-slidden professors cannot wake up and begin right away in the service of God without deep searchings of heart. The fountains of sin need to be broken up. In a true Revival, Christians are always brought under such conviction; they see their sins in such a light that often they find it impossible to maintain a hope of their acceptance with God. It does not always go to that extent, but there are always, in a genuine Revival, deep convictions of sin, and often cases of abandoning all hope." - Chas. G. Finney.

Oswald J. Smith, The Revival We Need, pp. 58-59

I know I need conviction of sin as I am a sinner who needs a saviour, in most churches especially want revival in charismatic circles but there is no conviction of sin.

I always hear people say that they want revival but when God comes down people are transparent before God and especially in the Great Awakening

A Great Awakening Stirs the Colonies
http://www1.cbn.com/spirituallife/a-great-awakening-stirs-the-colonies

In his most famous sermon, "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God," he compared the sinner with some spider or loathsome insect suspended over the flames. "You hang by a slender thread, with the flames of divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe and burn it asunder; and you have nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off the flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you have ever done, nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one moment."

Unconsciously people grasped the pillars and pews to keep from sliding into the pit. A minister who was in the pulpit plucked Edwards’ gown, exclaiming, "Mr. Edwards, Mr. Edwards, is not God a God of mercy?"

To be sure, it was not all Hell-fire and brimstone. He could create equally as vivid pictures of the love and mercy of God and the beauty of Heaven.

Whitefield believed in using his voice. "I love those who thunder out the word," he once said. "The Christian world is in a dead sleep. Nothing but a loud voice can awaken them out of it."

How mean how many mega churches really want this as the fire and brimstone messages are not that popular today.

Do we want true revival ? or do we want just a great experience. I know as this type of things even scares me !

I think the closest to it was Keith Daniels Sermon on Hell at Greenock where you touch hell to reach heaven

or Andrew Murray

Andrew Murray and the 1860 Revival
by
Dr. Peter Hammond
http://www.webrevival.net/murray_library/1960_revival_by_Peter_hammond.php
Eyewitness Account

One of the pastors who experienced the Revival, Servaas Hofmeyr, wrote: "Before the days of Revival the situation of our congregation was lamentable. Love of the world and sin; no earnestness or heartfelt desire for Salvation; sinning and idleness that was the order of the day for most … when the Lord started to move among us how intense were the prayers for Revival and the cries for mercy! 'I am lost!' cries one here. 'Lord, help me!' cries another. Anxious cries were uttered, heart rendering testimonies of conversion were heard. Visions were seen … Corporate prayer, even behind bushes and rocks, on mountains and in ravines, men, women, greyheads, children, gentlemen, servants all kneeling on the same ground crying for mercy. And none of this was expected by anyone, nor prepared by anyone, nor worked up, or preached by anyone it was all the Spirit of God, and not for a few hours or days, but months long.”

We want revival but our we willing to pray the price the problem is with me is that work is so busy and I am so tired from work.

We tend to have a gilded view of Revival

"But in the midst of all, I had a voice following me everywhere, ‘When an able minister of the gospel comes, it will be well with thee!’ Some years after I entered into the army; our troop lay at Phillipstown, when Mr. W. came. I was much affected by his preaching, but not so as to leave my sins. The voice followed me still, and when Mr. J. W. came, before I saw him I had an unspeakable conviction that he was the man I looked for.  Soon after I found peace with God, and it was well with me indeed.”

Wesley, John. The Journal of John Wesley - Enhanced Version (Kindle Locations 3692-3696). Christian Classics Ethereal Library. Kindle Edition.

I enjoyed much of the light of God's countenance, most of the day; and my soul rested in God. "Tuesday, Dec. 9. I was in a comfortable frame of soul most of the day; but especially in evening devotions, when God was pleased wonderfully to assist and strengthen me; so that I thought nothing should ever move me from the love of God in Christ Jesus my Lord. -- O! one hour with God infinitely exceeds all the pleasures and delights of this lower world.

Brainerd, David. The Life and Diary of David Brainerd (Kindle Locations 398-401). Kindle Edition.

"I was from my youth somewhat sober, and inclined rather to melancholy than the contrary extreme; but do not remember any thing of conviction of sin, worthy of remark, till I was, I believe, about seven or eight years of age. Then I became concerned for my soul, and terrified atthe thoughts of death, and was driven to the performance of duties: but it appeared a melancholy business, that destroyed my eagerness for play. And though, alas! this religious concern was but short-lived, I sometimes attended secret prayer; and thus lived at "ease in Zion, without God in the world," and without much concern, as I remember, till I was above thirteen years of age. But some time in the winter 1732, I was roused out of carnal security, by I scarce know what means at first; but was much excited by the prevailing of a mortal sickness in Haddam. I was frequent, constant, and somewhat fervent in duties;

Brainerd, David. The Life and Diary of David Brainerd (Kindle Locations 156-158). Kindle Edition.

Do we really want revival , do we really know what revival it is as Revivial is God coming down and are we prepared to meet thy God

Amos 4:12
Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel.

I have studied revival history since I was in school ! I discovered early on and was so sick of false revivals that I so wanted a true revival. I would need the grace of God to even get close to God as I am so unworthy and a mess at the moment.

All Your Need - by J. Edwin Orr - 1936 - brought by Peter-John Parisis, founder of The School of Prayer"
https://archive.org/stream/AllYourNeed-ByJ.EdwinOrr-1936-BroughtByPeter-johnParisisFounder/AllYourNeed-ByJ.EdwinOrr-1936_djvu.txt

Rev. A. S. Wilson calculated that over five
hundred were dealt with: scores of backsliders were restored:
there were dozens of conversions. About three hundred older
people waited with mc in the big marquee ”” and revival swept
them likewise. Pastors and workers confessed backsliding;
tears flowed ; decisions for Christ were made by the unconverted.
Two Chinamen, who could not speak English, were in the meeting
under conviction of sin. They were dealt with through an inter-
preter and decided for Christ. All told, a score of these converts
were received at the Lord's table on the morrow, and there
were others who could not attend.

Conviction of Sin
http://www.revival-library.org/index.php/resources-menu/revival-anecdotes/conviction-of-sin

or Bible Sales

Returning to the writing of Relfe, we learn that the mining pits were aflame with revival. There was a general consensus that 90 percent of the mining community was converted to faith in Christ. A moral revolution occurred, and pornography was nearly eliminated. Illegitimate births declined, and certain destructive theatrical companies were shut down. Saloons were emptied; the courts were too, as court
calendars cleared with no cases to try. Bible sales escalated, enemies became friends, and the ministries of women and men were honored equally.60

Bob Griffin. Firestorms of Revival (Kindle Locations 2719-2721). Kindle Edition.

Where is the revival where people have a love of the Bible I was trying to find the same thing among the 1960 scottish revival.

Where has this happened in the 21th century in the west!

Do we want a true revival or are we ready for fakes!

With revival it is only God who can bring it and I feel like about a billion light years from anything like that! God cannot use insignificant messes like me

The Brownsville Revival (also known as the Pensacola Outpouring) in Pensacola, Florida back in 1995, was "in my opinion" the greatest revival we've ever had in America. I only wished we had this going on in every state now. If you're not familiar with this revival, you should watch some of the YouTube videos and the testimonies that come out of that revival. As great as this revival was, I truly believe God brought this revival to Pensacola.

I agree Bill but in about .2 seconds someone is going to slam Brownsville. Clicking stopwatch now...

(The sermon by Michael Brown called "Holy Desperation” is my favorite.)

Amen Todd, that is one of the most powerful sermons I've ever listened to in my life.

I do not think that the Brownsville revival is a true revival as I would class it in the same category as the Toronto blessing it does not hold the same characteristics as something like the Welsh revival or the great awakening

To me it is good to distinguish between a false revival and a true revival , here are quotes by d l moody .

A true revival brings a love of the Bible

We are so used to false revivals if a true revival happened you may not like it

http://biblehub.com/library/moody/the_overcoming_life/results_of_true_repentance.htm

Results of True Repentance.
The Overcoming Life ”” Dwight L. Moody
I want to call your attention to what true repentance leads to. I am not addressing the unconverted only, because I am one of those who believe that there is a good deal of repentance to be done by the Church before much good will be accomplished in the world. I firmly believe that the low standard of Christian living is keeping a good many in the world and in their sins. When the ungodly see that Christian people do not repent, you cannot expect them to repent and turn away from their sins. I have repented ten thousand times more since I knew Christ than ever before; and I think most Christians have some things to repent of.
So now I want to preach to Christians as well as to the unconverted; to myself as well as to one who has never accepted Christ as his Savior.

There are five things that flow out of true repentance:

1. Conviction.

2. Contrition.

3. Confession of sin.

4. Conversion.

5. Confession of Jesus Christ before the world.

1. Conviction.

When a man is not deeply convicted of sin, it is a pretty sure sign that he has not truly repented. Experience has taught me that men who have very slight conviction of sin, sooner or later lapse back into their old life. For the last few years I have been a good deal more anxious for a deep and true work in professing converts than I have for great numbers. If a man professes to be converted without realizing the heinousness of his sins, he is likely to be one of those stony ground hearers who don't amount to anything. The first breath of opposition, the first wave of persecution or ridicule, will suck them back into the world again.

I believe we are making a woeful mistake in taking so many people into the Church who have never been truly convicted of sin. Sin is just as black in a man's heart to-day as it ever was. I sometimes think it is blacker. For the more light a man has, the greater his responsibility, and therefore the greater need of deep conviction.

William Dawson once told this story to illustrate how humble the soul must be before it can find peace.

He said that at a revival meeting, a little lad who was used to Methodist ways, went home to his mother and said,

"Mother, John So-and-so is under conviction and seeking for peace, but he will not find it to-night, mother."

"Why, William?" said she.

"Because he is only down on one knee, mother, and he will never get peace until he is down on both knees."

Until conviction of sin brings us down on both knees, until we are completely humbled, until we have no hope in ourselves left, we cannot find the Savior.

There are three things that lead to conviction: (1) Conscience; (2) the Word of God; (3) the Holy Spirit. All three are used by God.

Long before we had any Word, God dealt with men through the conscience. That is what made Adam and Eve hide themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the Garden of Eden. That is what convicted Joseph's brethren when they said: "We are verily guilty concerning our brother in that we saw the anguish of his soul when he besought us and we would not hear. Therefore," said they (and remember, over twenty years had passed away since they had sold him into captivity), "therefore is this distress come upon us." That is what we must use with our children before they are old enough to understand about the Word and the Spirit of God. This is what accuses or excuses the heathen.

Conscience is "a divinely implanted faculty in man, telling him that he ought to do right." Someone has said that it was born when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, when their eyes were opened and they "knew good and evil." It passes judgment, without being invited, upon our thoughts, words, and actions, approving or condemning according as it judges them to be right or wrong. A man cannot violate his conscience without being self-condemned.

But conscience is not a safe guide, because very often it will not tell you a thing is wrong until you have done it. It needs illuminating by God because it partakes of our fallen nature. Many a person does things that are wrong without being condemned by conscience. Paul said: "I verily thought with myself that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth." Conscience itself needs to be educated.

Again, conscience is too often like an alarm clock, which awakens and arouses at first, but after a time the man becomes used to it, and it loses its effect. Conscience can be smothered. I think we make a mistake in not preaching more to the conscience.

Hence, in due time, conscience was superseded by the law of God, which in time was fulfilled in Christ.

In this Christian land, where men have Bibles, these are the agency by which God produces conviction. The old Book tells you what is right and wrong before you commit sin, and what you need is to learn and appropriate its teachings, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Conscience compared with the Bible is as a rushlight compared with the sun in the heavens.

See how the truth convicted those Jews on the day of Pentecost. Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, preached that "God hath made this same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." "Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Then, thirdly, the Holy Ghost convicts. I once heard the late Dr. A. J. Gordon expound that passage -- "And when He (the Comforter) is come, He will reprove the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; of sin because they believe not on Me," -- as follows: --

"Some commentators say there was no real conviction of sin in the world until the Holy Ghost came. I think that foreign missionaries will say that that is not true, that a heathen who never heard of Christ may have a tremendous conviction of sin. For notice that God gave conscience first, and gave the Comforter afterward. Conscience bears witness to the law, the Comforter bears witness to Christ. Conscience brings legal conviction, the Comforter brings evangelical conviction. Conscience brings conviction unto condemnation, and the Comforter brings conviction unto justification. 'He shall convince the world of sin, because they believe not on Me.' That is the sin about which He convinces. It does not say that He convinces men of sin, because they have stolen or lied or committed adultery; but the Holy Ghost is to convince men of sin because they have not believed on Jesus Christ. The coming of Jesus Christ into the world made a sin possible that was not possible before. Light reveals darkness; it takes whiteness to bring conviction concerning blackness. There are in Central Africa who never dreamed that they were black until they saw the face of a white man; and there are a great many people in this world that never knew they were sinful until they saw the face of Jesus Christ in all its purity.

Jesus Christ now stands between us and the law. He has fulfilled the law for us. He has settled all claims of the law, and now whatever claim it had upon us has been transferred to Him, so that it is no longer the sin question, but the Son question, that confronts us. And, therefore, you notice that the first thing Peter does when he begins to preach after the Holy Ghost has been sent down is about Christ: 'Him being delivered by the determinate counsel of God, ye have taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain.' It doesn't say a word about any other kind of sin. That is the sin that runs all through Peter's teaching, and as he preached, the Holy Ghost came down and convicted them, and they cried out, 'What shall we do to be saved?'

Well, but we had no part in crucifying Christ; therefore, what is our sin? It is the same sin in another form. They were convicted of crucifying Christ; we are convicted because we have not believed on Christ crucified. They were convicted because they had despised and rejected God's Son. The Holy Ghost convicts us because we have not believed in the Despised and Rejected One. It is really the same sin in both cases -- the sin of unbelief in Christ."

Some of the most powerful meetings I have ever been in were those in which there came a sort of hush over the people, and it seemed as if an unseen power gripped their consciences. I remember a man coming to one meeting, and the moment he entered, he felt that God was there. There came an awe upon him, and that very hour he was convicted and converted.

2. Contrition.

The next thing is contrition, deep Godly sorrow and humiliation of heart because of sin. If there is not true contrition, a man will turn right back into the old sin. That is the trouble with many Christians.

A man may get angry, and if there is not much contrition, the next day he will get angry again. A daughter may say mean, cutting things to her mother, and then her conscience troubles her, and she says:

"Mother, I am sorry: forgive me."

But soon there is another outburst of temper, because the contrition is not deep and real. A husband speaks sharp words to his wife, and then to ease his conscience, he goes and buys her a bouquet of flowers. He will not go like a man and say he has done wrong.

What God wants is contrition, and if there is not contrition, there is not full repentance. "The Lord is nigh to the broken of heart, and saveth such as be contrite of spirit." "A broken and a contrite heart, O God, Thou wilt not despise." Many sinners are sorry for their sins, sorry that they cannot continue in sin; but they repent only with hearts that are not broken. I don't think we know how to repent now-a-days. We need some John the Baptist, wandering through the land, crying: "Repent! repent!"

3. Confession of Sin.

If we have true contrition, that will lead us to confess our sins. I believe that nine-tenths of the trouble in our Christian life comes from failing to do this. We try to hide and cover up our sins; there is very little confession of them. Someone has said: "Unconfessed sin in the soul is like a bullet in the body."

If you have no power, it may be there is some sin that needs to be confessed, something in your life that needs straightening out. There is no amount of psalm-singing, no amount of attending religious meetings, no amount of praying or reading your Bible that is going to cover up anything of that kind. It must be confessed, and if I am too proud to confess, I need expect no mercy from God and no answers to my prayers. The Bible says: "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper." He may be a man in the pulpit, a priest behind the altar, a king on the throne; I don't care who he is. Man has been trying it for six thousand years. Adam tried it, and failed. Moses tried it when he buried the Egyptian whom he killed, but he failed. "Be sure your sin will find you out." You cannot bury your sin so deep but it will have a resurrection by and by, if it has not been blotted out by the Son of God. What man has failed to do for six thousand years, you and I had better give up trying to do.

There are three ways of confessing sin. All sin is against God, and must be confessed to Him. There are some sins I need never confess to anyone on earth. If the sin has been between myself and God, I may confess it alone in my closet: I need not whisper it in the ear of any mortal. "Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before Thee." "Against Thee, Thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in Thy sight."

But if I have done some man a wrong, and he knows that I have wronged him, I must confess that sin not only to God but also to that man. If I have too much pride to confess it to him, I need not come to God. I may pray, and I may weep, but it will do no good. First confess to that man, and then go to God and see how quickly He will hear you, and send peace. "If thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath aught against thee; leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy ways. First be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift." That is the Scripture way.

Then there is another class of sins that must be confessed publicly. Suppose I have been known as a blasphemer, a drunkard, or a reprobate. If I repent of my sins, I owe the public a confession. The confession should be as public as the transgression. Many a person will say some mean thing about another in the presence of others, and then try to patch it up by going to that person alone. The confession should be made so that all who heard the transgression can hear it.

We are good at confessing other people's sins, but if it is true repentance, we shall have as much as we can do to look after our own. When a man or woman gets a good look into God's looking glass, he is not finding fault with other people: he has as much as he can do at home.

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Thank God for the Gospel! Church member, if there is any sin in your life, make up your mind that you will confess it, and be forgiven. Do not have any cloud between you and God. Be able to read your title clear to the mansion Christ has gone to prepare for you.

4. Conversion.

Confession leads to true conversion, and there is no conversion at all until these three steps have been taken.

Now the word "conversion" means two things. We say a man is "converted" when he is born again. But it also has a different meaning in the Bible. Peter said: "Repent, and be converted." The Revised Version reads: "Repent, and turn." Paul said that he was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision, but began to preach to Jews and Gentiles that they should repent and turn to God. Some old divine has said: "Every man is born with his back to God. Repentance is a change of one's course. It is right about face."

Sin is a turning away from God. As someone has said, it is aversion from God and conversion to the world: and true repentance means conversion to God and aversion from the world. When there is true contrition, the heart is broken for sin; when there is true conversion, the heart is broken from sin. We leave the old life, we are translated out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light. Wonderful, isn't it?

Unless our repentance includes this conversion, it is not worth much. If a man continues in sin, it is proof of an idle profession. It is like pumping away continually at the ship's pumps, without stopping the leaks. Solomon said: -- "If they pray, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin . . ." Prayer and confession would be of no avail while they continued in sin. Let us heed God's call; let us forsake the old wicked way; let us return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon us; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.

If you have never turned to God, turn now. I have no sympathy with the idea that it takes six months, or six weeks, or six hours to be converted. It doesn't take you very long to turn around, does it? If you know you are wrong, then turn right about.

5. Confession of Christ.

If you are converted, the next step is confess it openly. Listen: "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus Christ, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Confession of Christ is the culmination of the work of true repentance. We owe it to the world, to our fellow-Christians, to ourselves. He died to redeem us, and shall we be ashamed or afraid to confess Him? Religion as an abstraction, as a doctrine, has little interest for the world, but what people can say from personal experience always has weight.

I remember some meetings being held in a locality where the tide did not rise very quickly, and bitter and reproachful things were being said about the work. But one day, one of the most prominent men in the place rose and said:

"I want it to be known that I am a disciple of Jesus Christ; and if there is any odium to be cast on His cause, I am prepared to take my share of it."

It went through the meeting like an electric current, and a blessing came at once to his own soul and to the souls of others.

Men come to me and say: "Do you mean to affirm, Mr. Moody, that I've got to make a public confession when I accept Christ; do you mean to say I've got to confess Him in my place of business, and in my family? Am I to let the whole world know that I am on His side?"

That is precisely what I mean. A great many are willing to accept Christ, but they are not willing to publish it, to confess it. A great many are looking at the lions and the bears in the way. Now, my friends, the devil's mountains are only made of smoke. He can throw a straw into your path and make a mountain of it. He says to you: "You cannot confess and pray to your family; why, you'll break down! You cannot tell it to your shopmate; he will laugh at you." But when you accept Christ, you will have power to confess Him.

There was a young man in the West -- it was the West in those days -- who had been more or less interested about his soul's salvation. One afternoon, in his office, he said:

"I will accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior."

He went home and told his wife (who was a nominal professor of religion) that he had made up his mind to serve Christ; and he added:

"After supper to-night I am going to take the company into the drawing-room, and erect the family altar."

"Well," said his wife, "you know some of the gentlemen who are coming to tea are sceptics, and they are older than you are, and don't you think you had better wait until after they have gone, or else go out in the kitchen and have your first prayer with the servants?"

The young man thought for a few moments, and then he said:

"I have asked Jesus Christ into my house for the first time, and I shall take Him into the best room, not into the kitchen."

So he called his friends into the drawing room. There was a little sneering, but he read and prayed. That man afterwards became Chief Justice of the United States Court. Never be ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: it is the power of God unto salvation.

A young man enlisted, and was sent to his regiment. The first night he was in the barracks with about fifteen other young men who passed the time playing cards and gambling. Before retiring, he fell on his knees and prayed, and they began to curse him and jeer at him and throw boots at him.

So it went on the next night and the next, and finally the young man went and told the chaplain what had taken place, and asked what he should do.

"Well," said the chaplain, "you are not at home now, and the other men have just as much right in the barracks as you have. It makes them mad to hear you pray, and the Lord will hear you just as well if you say your prayers in bed and don't provoke them."

For weeks after the chaplain did not see the young man again, but one day he met him, and asked --

"By the way, did you take my advice?"

"I did, for two or three nights."

"How did it work?"

"Well," said the young man, "I felt like a whipped hound, and the third night I got out of bed, knelt down and prayed."

"Well," asked the chaplain, "how did that work?"

The young soldier answered: "We have a prayer-meeting there now every night, and three have been converted, and we are praying for the rest."

Oh, friends, I am so tired of weak Christianity. Let us be out and out for Christ; let us give no uncertain sound. If the world wants to call us fools, let them do it. It is only a little while; the crowning day is coming. Thank God for the privilege we have of confessing Christ

Dominic, we can just agree to disagree. What Dwight Moody mentions is his opinion. What he's forgetting is, God's ways are not our ways, and his thoughts are not our thoughts, so unless Mr. Moody know God's thoughts and way's, how would he know that the Brownsville revival wasn't from God. This is what happens when man puts to much faith in man, they say this cannot possibly be from God in my opinion, well maybe is was and God doesn't care about your opinion..

Dom- call dr Browns radio show and ask him whether those 5 points mentioned occurred during Brownsville. Or email him.

You cannot lump Brownsville in with Toronto.

do you dismiss people like j Edwin Orr's, Johnathan Edwards , David Brainard and George Whitfield, D L moody , Welsh revival
, Chris rosebrough did a comparison of the sermons at the so called Brownsville revival if you compare them to true revivals the difference is vast
God wrote a book called the Bible, the problem is Brownsville did not have the marks of a true revival which I tried to bring up with the points from d l Moody's book the overcoming life
there are clear ways we can differentiate the ways of men from the ways of God as true revivals give a true love of God word and repentance, a conviction of sin
in Wales there was no crime and the judges had nothing to do but to monitor churches
Dr Michael brown support people like Bill Johnson and others who make a mockery of gods word , even thou he is a good scholar in Jewish apologetics the people he supports make a mockery of the gospel , people like Heidi baker

Dominic said...do you dismiss people like j Edwin Orr's, Johnathan Edwards , David Brainard and George Whitfield, D L moody , Welsh revival, Chris rosebrough did a comparison of the sermons at the so called Brownsville revival if you compare them to true revivals the difference is vast.

Revival refers to a spiritual reawakening from a state of dormancy or stagnation in the life of a believer. It encompasses the resurfacing of a love for God, an appreciation of God's holiness, a passion for His Word and His church, a convicting awareness of personal and corporate sin, a spirit of humility, and a desire for repentance and growth in righteousness. Revival invigorates and sometimes deepens a believer's faith, opening his or her eyes to the truth in a fresh, new way. It generally involves the connotation of a fresh start with a clean slate, marking a new beginning of a life lived in obedience to God. Revival breaks the charm and power of the world, which blinds the eyes of men, and generates both the will and power to live in the world but not of the world.

The above describes the Brownsville revival perfectly in my opinion.

To answer the question in the heading, churches,evangelical ones, Pentecostal of every flavor, etc... I believe sincerely do, however I believe it’s only to help prop up thier membership roles. We don’t need better sermons, what we need is a pulpit that is focused on only one thing, The glory of God, bringing such love and honor to God so that The Lord can do nothing more than respond in answer to such a heart. If the pew was of such a mind, the result would be the same. The eyes of The Lord run to and fro LOOKING........let revival happen and let it begin with me!

I think there is no formula. From my understanding of the Hebrides revival, it broke out before there was any preaching. There was prayer, and hunger by a few in the area, but many who sensed "God coming down” (as Duncan Campbell put it) were nowhere near a church but were in dance halls and the like and then went LOOKING for a church.

So the manifest presence of God is what revival is. All effects of revival flow from this.

God wrote a book called the Bible, the problem is Brownsville did not have the marks of a true revival which I tried to bring up with the points from d l Moody's book the overcoming life
there are clear ways we can differentiate the ways of men from the ways of God as true revivals give a true love of God word and repentance, a conviction of sin.

Brother Dominic,

If you would have visited the Brownsville Revival during those days, I do not believe that you would be saying these things. For all of the things that you are saying that mark a true revival were present at Brownsville.

As Todd and Brother Bill have mentioned, the Brownsville revival as all true revivals are marked by the presence of God being manifested in a dramatic way where sinners are saved, backsliders return to the Lord, and the Church of God is refreshed. The Brownsville Revival came out as all true revivals do as a result of prayer. The Holy Spirit anointed Steve Hill with powerful messages of repentance. Steve Hill was greatly influenced by the preaching of Brother Ravenhill and David Wilkerson.

Brother, you are also wrong in comparing the Brownsville Revival to what took place in Toronto. There were many manifestations of the Holy Spirit that took place in Brownsville, some of them being flesh, a few even demonic, but that does not discredit the true manifestations that took place as a result of this awesome move of the Holy Spirit.

The brownsville revival was a false revival just like toronto it does not compare to things like the great awakening or even duncan cambells revival in the hebrides.

David Yonki Cho was convicted of Embezzlement recently he spoke at the Brownsville Revival

Founder of World's Largest Megachurch Convicted of Embezzling $12 Million
http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2014/february/founder-of-worlds-largest-megachurch-convicted-cho-yoido.html

Michael Brown has been supporting Bethel church and has been standing up for Christ Alignment Ministries who support using tarot cards in there ministry

DUMPSTER FIRE: ChristAlignment Destiny Cards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wa0Gx386d0

This is the fruit of the revivial when you compare to the revival of things such as D L moody and Ire Sankey who I informed you started some of the Revival during the 1900th century around the time of Charles Spurgeon who made the University of Oxford weep.
The fact in things like the Great Awakenings where the feeling of Hell was so great that they had to hang onto the Pillars because the conviction of sin was so great, Brownsville is just simply an entertainment fest with no

Steve Hill's Bible Twisting at Brownsville "Revival"
http://www.piratechristian.com/fightingforthefaith/2016/7/steve-hills-bible-twisting-at-brownsville-revival?rq=brownsville

Steve Hill Leaves Brownsville The Way He Changed It
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/hill.html

A True Revival will make these false ones look tame. It is like the difference between counterfeit money and true money and it does damage to the name of God

I Thessalonians
12 And we urge you, brethren, to recognize those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, 13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. Be at peace among yourselves.

14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.

16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.

It is not like they are still hanging around dubious characters like Heidi Baker
https://cfanevents.ticketspice.com/light-the-fire-again

or Benny Hinn

This Is Your Day with Benny Hinn, Guest Dr Michael Brown Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPh61Vtbxd4

Read Sinners in the Hands of Angry God as Brownville the pushing people over the same thing experienced in the Toronto

Brownsville Revival Bridging the Americas Carol Arnott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SabyeXDdKxI

Having Carol Arnott speak out at Brownsville who was a main leader at the Toronto blessing

With true revival people are not flown in as with the Scottish Revival God was convicting people on the street and people were running from the Dance Floor or in the Welsh Revival miners were not swearing any more.

2 Thessalonians 2
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness

If you have a love of truth and even Revival history it is so easy to see Brownville as fake as some rip of Jeans or copycat company it had no real fruit and to me I link it into the steady chain from Toronto to Pensicola to Todd Bentleys false revival

2 Corithians 2
7Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely? 8I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service. 9And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself. 10As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.

12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Even the devil appears as an apostle of light and the devil can do false revivals
Even the Antichrist can pull fire down from Heaven

Revelation 13:13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

When you know what true revivial is why should I settle for anything false as I grew up when the Toronto Blessing was in my school and there was crazy things going on, this is what brought my interest in true revival as things like Brownsville are in the Same category even with some of the same people who were into that craze.

Galations 1
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Titus 1:9
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

To me there is no sound doctrine in Brownsville as most of the sermons are on Youtube!

To me it is the difference between night and day what a true revival is compared to a false one and I have experienced enough false revival and I am desperately after the true !

Listen to J Edwin Orr and his history of Revivial!

One question, Dominic, did you take that log out of your own eye first, so you could see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye?

Please quote the whole passage as it

Matthew 7King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

Verse 21 says many shall come in that day saying Lord, Lord and he will say depart from me I never knew you , Are you going through the narrow way or through the broad path.
Are you building your life on the sand or on the rock of Gods word!

In the same chapter it says beware of false prophets and false teachers in verse 15 we cannot look at this passage.

Trying to make an Ad hominem attack than actually rather dealing with the material as I have read things like D L Moody or books like R A Torrey. My first experiences of going on sermonindex was that everyone was talking about revival and when you know the difference between true and false revivals. You would want the true as these revivals promote men as revivals promote and revere things such as Gods word and a love of scripture and prayer.

I wish you had an understanding of the truth as it makes the false look bad knockoffs you get in an english market.

I didn’t ask for multiple scriptures, I ask you a question, can you please answer it?

Brother Dominic,

There are many Christians like yourself that pride themselves in knowing and quoting the Word of God that are ignorant of past moves of God because they lack discernment. John Macarthur is one of them. Some of the most learned theologians in the past have rejected true revivals because God did not move according to their preconceived notions of what a revival is suppose to look like. This is nothing new, and even in the Great Awakening, Johnathan Edwards was opposed by one of the leading pastors and theologians of the time, Charles Chauncy.

If you judge the Brownsville Revival by the fruit that came out of it, then it would be very easy to see that this was a true God sent revival that resulted in thousands of salvations, backsliders coming home, and many ministries being birthed that are still in operation to this day.

I was personally impacted by the Brownsville Revival, and am forever grateful to the Lord that there was a refreshing for the saints of God from the presence of the Lord.

Good word Brother Mike! Just seeing some working so hard to see this thread become fruitless, is probably why we don’t have the revival in America like we should. To many would rather be finding fault, than finding revival, but this is exactly the message God has in his word for us, for the last days. Praise Jesus!

I was personally changed by the Brownsville revival and I never stepped into FL while it was going on.

I found sermons and sermon compilations from Brownsville on the old Fire on the Altar website and they literally caused a revival in my own life that spread to my wife and numerous others in our circle of acquaintances.

Dom, you can deny that til your hearts content and you can step into your wayback machine and go back to the time of Whitfield and Evan Roberts to get preaching that will satisfy you. It doesn’t really matter what your opinion is because I and others know the reality.

This is an excerpt from an article that is being taken from Sermon Index on the revival of 1860 in South Africa. This was a revival that Andrew Murray had been praying for, but when it came, this godly man attempted to restore order to a prayer meeting that had been taken over by the Holy Spirit. There was a brother at that meeting that warned Andrew Murray that this was indeed a move of God that was taking place. Andrew Murray later embraced the revival.

"Preparation for Revival
In 1860 Andrew Murray accepted a call to pastor the church at Worcester. His induction to the church
coincided with a revival and missions conference made up of 374 South African ministers. The conference was
planned for the specific purpose of encouraging spiritual revival and recruiting new workers and missionaries
for the Dutch Reformed churches of South Africa. At the beginning of the conference a paper was handed out
which traced the news of the recent revival in America and Britain. The attending ministers were strongly
encouraged to expect and pray for a similar move of God in South Africa. A Dr. Robertson spoke on their great
need for revival, followed by a Dr. Adamson who then gave a detailed report on the recent awakening in
America. Andrew Murray, Sr. attempted to address the gathering, but was unable, being overcome with
brokenness and tears. Overall, the conference was a great success, encouraging fresh hope and prayer among
the attending ministers.

Shortly after the conference, a meeting of young people was held at the church on a Sunday evening. It was
at this meeting that the Spirit of revival unexpectedly broke out. The meeting moved along as expected, until an
unassuming 15-year-old black girl stood up to pray. Mr. Murray's associate, J. C. deVries, was overseeing the
prayer meeting and gives us an eyewitness account of these extraordinary events. "On a certain Sunday
evening there were gathered in a little hall some sixty young people. I was the leader of the meeting, which
began with a hymn and a lesson from God's Word, after which I prayed. Three or four others gave out a verse of
a hymn and prayed, as was the custom. Then a colored girl of about fifteen years of age, in service with a
nearby farmer, rose at the back of the hall and asked if she too might propose a hymn. At first I hesitated, not
knowing what the meeting would think, but better thoughts prevailed, and I replied, Yes.' She gave out her
hymn-verse and prayed in moving tones.
While she was praying, we heard, as it were, a sound in the distance, which came nearer and nearer, until
the hall seemed to be shaken; with one or two exceptions, the whole meeting began to pray, the majority in
audible voice, but some in whispers. Nevertheless, the noise made by the concourse was deafening. A feeling,
which I cannot describe, took possession of me"

Offended by Revival
While this meeting was going on, Andrew Murray was preaching in another section of the church. He was not
present during the beginning of these events. When his own service was over, an elder passed the door of the
prayer meeting, heard the noise, peeked in, and then ran back to get Mr. Murray. J. C. deVries vividly recalls
Murray's surprising reaction to the young people's meeting, "Mr. Murray came forward to the table where I
knelt praying, touched me, and made me understand that he wanted me to rise. He then asked me what had
happened. I related everything to him.
Then he walked down the room for some distance and called out as loudly as he could, 'People, silence!'
But the praying continued. In the meantime, I kneeled down again. It seemed to me that if the Lord was coming
to bless us, I should not be upon my feet but on my knees. Mr. Murray then called loudly again, 'People, I am
your minister, sent from God! Silence!' But there was no stopping the noise. No one heard him, but all
continued praying and calling on God for mercy and pardon. Mr. Murray then returned to me and told me to
start the hymn-verse commencing 'Aid the soul that helpless cries'. I did so. But the emotions were not quieted
and the meeting went right on praying. Mr. Murray then prepared to depart, saying, 'God is a God of order,
and here everything is confusion!' With that he left the hall."

Revival Praying & Power
Prayer meetings were spontaneously organized every evening after that. The order of these meetings was
usually the same each time, although no one set it. At the beginning there was generally great silence; no
efforts were made to stir up emotions, but after the second or third prayer the gathering would suddenly
begin to simultaneously cry out in prayer. This was definitely not the custom of the Dutch Reformed churches
at that time, nor did anyone ever teach them to do this. Sometimes the gathering would continue until three in
the morning; even then, many wished to stay longer. As the people returned to their homes in the middle of the
night they went singing joyously through the streets. The prayer meeting quickly grew and had to be moved to
a nearby school building. Eventually, this facility also proved to be far too small for the crowds of God-hungry
seekers. "In places where prayer meetings were unknown a year before, now the people complained because
meetings ended an hour too soon! Not only weekly but daily prayer meetings were demanded by the people,
even three times a day - and even among children." The revival shook the entire countryside. The young and
old, rich and poor, blacks and whites were all equally affected by the revival.

Andrew Murray
awakening was not confined to the towns and villages, but felt in totally isolated places without outside
contacts, even on remote farms, where men and women were suddenly seized with emotions to which they had
been utter strangers a few weeks or even days before." People were frequently gripped with intense conviction.
Strong men cried out in anguish while others fell to the ground unconscious and had to be carried out of the
meetings.

Learning about Revival
J. C. deVries gives us a further account of Mr. Murray's difficulty in accepting these manifestations as from
God. J. C. deVries writes, "On the first Saturday evening in the larger meeting-house, Mr. Murray was the
leader. He read a portion of Scripture, made a few observations on it, engaged in prayer, and then gave others
the opportunity to pray. During the prayer, which followed his, we heard again the same sound in the distance.
It drew nearer and nearer and then suddenly the whole gathering was praying. That evening a stranger had
been standing at the door from the beginning of the meeting, watching the proceedings. Mr. Murray
descended from the platform and again moved up and down among the people, trying to quiet them. The
stranger then tiptoed forward from the door, touched Mr. Murray gently, and said in English, 'I think you are
the minister of this congregation. Be careful what you do, for it is the Spirit of God that is at work here. I have
just come from America, and this is precisely what I witnessed there."

Andrew Murray had been offended by the intense outbursts of emotional praying, and sought
unsuccessfully to control and calm the meetings. However, after this incident he apparently stopped trying
to manhandle the Holy Spirit. He learned to accept these sudden outbursts of prayer and strong emotions as
the work of God. His father, Andrew Murray, Sr. also confirmed that these stirrings were genuine, stating, "he
blessed God that he lived to witness such a work of the Spirit". Mr. Murray's strong reaction seems to stem
from the fact that these particular revival manifestations exceeded his own personal experience and sense of
propriety. Though he had earnestly prayed for revival, studied reports about revival and even witnessed a
measure of revival himself, he still failed to anticipate his own response to the supernatural nature of a revival
in his own church.

Revival & Broken Expectations
Mr. Murray's expectations about proper church order and that of the Holy Spirit's were obviously quite
different. Broken expectations, if left unchecked, can lead to confusion, frustration and even harsh criticism.
When the crowd in Jerusalem rushed to observe the miracle of Pentecost, Acts 2: 6 notes that many of the
onlookers were "CONFUSED". These feelings of confusion obviously caused some to become offended,
resulting later in them openly ridiculing the work of the Holy Spirit. -(Acts 2:6-13). Mr. Murray's new revival
experiences eventually taught him not to judge every seemingly confusing situation as the result of a lack of
proper order.

Often we experience strong feelings of confusion or even frustration when we are suddenly placed in an
unexpected or unfamiliar situation. All of us have surely struggled with feelings of confusion or anxiety while
trying to find our bearings in an unfamiliar city or country. The source of our confusion was not a lack of proper
order, but our own unfamiliarity with our new surroundings and circumstances.
Acts 2:6 is not suggesting that God is the author of disorder and confusion! On the contrary, this verse
serves to remind us that our natural sense of protocol and order is sometimes quite different than the divine
order of Heaven come down to earth. When we are suddenly surprised or confused by unfamiliar events, we
must guard against thoughtlessly
rejecting them simply because they are new to our personal experience.

Only a PROUD heart rushes in to condemn what it does not understand! We must carefully examine all
things according to the Scriptures, rather than by our personal preferences and traditions. Then and only then
will we be need to hold fast to what is good in the coming days. -(1Thes 5:21)."