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Quitting the denominations by Osca Nzeh

sermonindex Jan 17, 2018

Quitting The Denominations by Oscar Nzeh.

"I will keep this simple.When I finally quit the denomination (divisions, alternative kingdoms to God's) in which i was also a pastor, initially there were suspicions regarding whether i was going to start "my own church." This is because pastors quit denominations for different reasons and they end up NATURALLY starting their own club. Some quit because they were hurt or suppressed or jealousy etc. Out of this hurt they start their own club and try to prove that they are also anointed.

I quit the denominations because my eyes were opened to CHRIST IN ME, the Lordship of Jesus Christ and the reality of His Body that transcends artificial walls and that cannot be experienced in those walls. I quit because denominations are opposite kingdom to God's and a false husband that loves to fornicate with Christ's bride. I don't have to start anything because the Church of God is already built.

After quitting i received offers from different quarters either to join another denomination who needed my service or offers from well meaning people who wanted to support me get a place and to start "my own." I rejected all these offers because i was no more ignorant about Christ, Church and ministry. Everything has been redefined by God for me.

The Blessing

When i left i began to experience true service to the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ is ALL AROUND us to be served. I had no pressure, no budget to meet, no name to protect, no brand to build, no building or Secretariat to finance, no fund to raise. I was no more pastor but brother. I was a free man. I saw new possibilities and limitlessness of service (ministry) to the Body of Christ. I started doing things I couldn't do before. Ministry was EVERYWHERE. I would be invited over in the houses of brothers and sisters sharing the Word of God, i would go anywhere i was needed, wherever fellowship was possible. I was sleeping over anywhere serving or talking about God. I was still serving the people of God. In fact i would be more busy sometimes more than I was in the denominations but my time was mine, my pace and in freedom. Everything was spontaneous and not official and formal or ritualistic but living. It was in the homes, in their shops, in a cafe, under a tree, on a relaxed stroll etc. There was no need to be different, to look different, to be special, to wear a suit. There was no need to appear strong. I could open my weaknesses, share my battles and victories etc. I became real friends with God's people and my home became a place of friendly interactions and people went as they came without having to own them.

Till today I haven't still started "my own church" and some people are still amazed about it because naturally, pastors leave to only start their own sect because it's like a religious crack Cocaine you cannot help it's addiction, a vicious cycle you cannot escape.

When you quit because God revealed His Son to you, it ends the addiction to "ministry and churchianity" because it's about a relationship with Jesus.

The Body of Christ is not a wall of bricks neither is it a human organisation headed by men. It is all those who have His Life in them all over the Earth with Christ as their Head."

Brother Osca is Nigerian brother ......bro Frank

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browny Jan 19, 2018

Thanks for posting and sharing this!

& Blessings to you brother Frank.

browny.

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Heydave Jan 19, 2018

Hi Frank,

Much of this article resonates with me and I can empathise with him. So my question is not to disagree, but to ask how this works out in practice.

As we know, there is high emphasis in scripture on the the importance of the local 'church'/ body / gathering of believers being a community and sharing lives. Also much is said about the order and life of the local church, such as appointing of Elders, different giftings and ministries, etc.

So my question is, how does the position taken in the article of not being part of any particular local church fit in with the scriptural pattern for the 'church'?

I think many of us can agree that denominationalism and churchianity are good things to get out of, but I'm not sure just being a 'wandering' member of the church at large is the answer.

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browny Jan 19, 2018

Dave is asking ....
"Much of this article resonates with me and I can empathise with him. So my question is not to disagree, but to ask how this works out in practice.”

"So my question is, how does the position taken in the article of not being part of any particular local church fit in with the scriptural pattern for the 'church'?”


I think this is a good and sincere question....

sermonindex Jan 19, 2018

Hi Dave, it is a good question and I would answer it with a question " what is a local church?"

As you may know I am from a town in Scotland called Greenock. Population is about 40,000 people. It has many of the problems that plague Scottish towns, generational unemployment, drugs, alcohol, violence and so on, and of course, hopelessness in the midst of much poverty. Nationally , about 3% of Scottish people attend church and if you were to look at a trend graph the arrow is plummeting down. In maybe one more generation, there will be literally no one going to church. If ever there was a crisis it is now. Yet, in my hometown there are at least 40 different churches of every stripe. Every imaginable denomination is represented. The church that my parents attend has about 12 people that come on a Sunday, the Free church. My parents are among the youngest and they are 77 years old. Yet, if anyone were to suggest that they throw their lot in with the Pentecostal church, who have about 40, hands would be thrown in the air.

Until Gods people begin to meet together because they are Gods people, the disaster will continue to unfold. They can have their disunity but what they cannot have is God's blessing upon it. At some point there has to be a recognition of the problem before any solution can be found. My mother goes the the Free church to honor my Father, but she has a group of about six that meet many times during the week and fellowship and pray for each other and so on. If I were home in Greenock I would meet with that group or perhaps another that truly represents the Body as opposed to people who represent whatever name is above the door......bro Frank

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Heydave Jan 19, 2018

Hi Frank, can't argue with what you have written.

I got the impression from the article that the writer was just independent and not committed to any group of saints. That said, I think in most 'churches' most folk live independently and just turn up for the 'meetings'. How much real fellowship is there among believers today in their every day lives?

I don't know what the answer is, but we need to get back somehow to real living as a body of believers. My wife an I were recently discussing this and how when we were young converts back in the early '80s there were quite a few of us around the same age (and some older one) and we just naturally lived in spontaneous fellowship wth one another, meeting from house to house without invites. The set meeting days were just another extention of this.
Did we have problems and errors in those immature days? Oh yes we did, but there was also life there!

Maybe some folk still experience this, it would be good to know.

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Gloryandgrace Jan 19, 2018

Testimonies like this are similar to Francis Chan called 'uncaged'. get out from under churchianity or denominational restraint.

Couple of issues.
1. This testimony cannot be made prescriptive, the scriptures give specifics in Christian community (Church) and what that means. His testimony is a variant and specific to himself.
2. This testimony can be reversed where someone enters denominational=institutional setting to do the work of God.

On the surface it sounds great and I am not here trying to undermine it, but I dont see how this goes much farther than giving those who shun any kind of institutional setting anything but ammo to fire against what God might be doing in a denominational setting.

This testimony is only the first leg of the journey, its not run its full course, the man has yet to show how this independence is the plan of God for anyone but himself.

The same testimony could be given by those who were denominational members for 50 years and all the good God did in it.

This sort of thing looks good, but Im not sold at all it contains the truth about how God will have us join together for his purposes.

A further note, after thinking about it, this kind of thing shows up where one part of the body is seeking to live as 'it is' rather than being constrained to imitate what it is not.
example. The eye likes to be free, no blinder, no restraint, no hindrance to 'seeing'.
The foot on the other hand is fine with the constraint of the shoe or boot, its good in the dark, happy when its contained around a 'thing' that aids its walk and adds safety and comfort to its flesh.
One, to work properly must be free of restraint, the other is helped by enclosure/limitations.

putting a shoe on my eye wont work, a hand over the eye keeps our glare. But a hand over my foot when walking on thorns...wont work.

When I read testimonies like Osca's, this is what stands out to me, not a validation to uproot Christianity's Church structures or methodology.

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deltadom Jan 19, 2018

Frank I did not know you lived in Greenock !!

sermonindex Jan 19, 2018

Hi Dave, I loved your testimony of your younger days. I wish, just once, someone would give a Biblical explanation for denominations instead of just saying " well, fifty years ago....." A thing is either Biblically true or not. I love your last line Dave " but there was life there.' Amen bro......bro Frank

sermonindex Jan 19, 2018

I dont live there any more Dominic, moved to Kansas 27 years ago. Go home every couple of years, see my folks and so, went home for a year once, and of course asked Greg to do a conference there, hence the Greenock conference which led to Time Square Church coming the following year, filling up the whole valley with His glory and many souls coming to Jesus. I believe that was due to the interceding prayers of the saints......bro Frank

sermonindex Jan 19, 2018

I came out of the Jesus movement where our fellowships were spontaneous. We met under the leading and the direction and the empowering of the Holy Spirit. For the first few years of my walk with Christ my church was in those simple fellowship that gathered around the simplicity of Jesus.

In recent years I have had a little taste of what I experienced in the Jesus movement. When I was in Little Rock I met with a brother and his dear wife and their children. We would meet every Wednesday evening to share a meal and do whatever God laid on our hearts. Sometimes I read from the word. Sometimes we shared prayer concerns. Sometimes they watch the video. Sometimes we did all of the above. But our times are always focused on the Simplicity and purity of honoring Jesus and experiencing His life.

Before moving out to Denver a sister and a brother and I met at the house that I was caretaking once or twice a week. We would share a simple meal and then have a time of prayer and sharing the word. Truly a special time.

Probably the best Sermon Index conference I ever attended was when about 20 of us met in Missouri a few years ago. We gathered under the leadership of Jesus. There was no agenda. There were no big-name speakers. We were in fasting mode. We were simply there to see Jesus and to edify and encourage one another. However long for another such meeting.

Just simply sharing my experiences of simple Fellowship.

Bro Blaine

sermonindex Jan 20, 2018

A brother shares his experiences in the Jesus movement on simple fellowship. For those of you who came out of the Jesus movement the message should bring back memories.

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=24408

Blaine

sermonindex Jan 20, 2018

Dear brother Frank,

Your sharing of this testimony is greatly appreciated!

It was quite edifying, and yet I also agree with whoever said that it should not be taken as prescriptive (which I’m sure you agree with!).

I believe the pure spotless bride of our Lord Jesus Christ is infinitely diverse and she can be found in the most unlikely of places at any God given appointed time.

I can’t remember whose post it was, but the term "wanderer” was used. While I assume most people would hear a negative connotation when that word is used to describe a follower of Christ, I kind of like it, in light of this brother’s testimony.

It reminds me of the famous saying "not all who wander are aimless”.

It’s funny, because In talking with a dear brother recently, I called myself a "floater”, for lack of a better term in the moment. It can be so complex trying to communicate with people who do not know how to relate to sincere followers of Christ that are not members of a local church, or if not, at least "shopping” for one.

Sure, there are those who are simply apathetic and indifferent when they learn you don’t "go to church”, but I’m not talking about them.

I’m talking about sincere saints who truly cannot imagine any legitimate functioning member of the body NOT being a member of a local church in the common church cultural way.

But Frank, I lappreciate how you asked, how do we define a local church?

Truthfully, at this point, I am increasingly comfortable NOT defining it (knowing in its simplest terms, it’s all the saints in a locale), because He knows His living stones, and His living stones know Him.

In the meantime, we are FREE TO LOVE EVERYONE (And of course this goes for anyone who regularly goes to church or not)!!

Now, to love others the way I love myself, that’s a whole ‘nother matter. :-)

P.s. Frank, can you email, call or text me? My two oldest boys have a home school hoops tourney in Kansas in March. Caleb4life@gmail.com, 612-269-9004.

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rbanks Jan 20, 2018

The problems we face is so much darkness and not much light shining. The church is to gather together and function in the Holy Spirit. Life in the Spirit is most important to any gathering of the saints. God wants his people to gather together under the leadership of the Holy Spirit. We must be about maturing believers in the body of Christ to be conformed to the image of Christ with an emphasis on reaching the Lost.

Ephesians 4:11-16
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

What truly matters most of all is....are we serving the living God through His Son Jesus Christ, our Lord?

Matthew 7:21 (KJV) 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Luke 6:46 (KJV)
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

James 1:22 (KJV)
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Revelation 22:14 (KJV)
14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

I noticed the title, quitting the denominations, now it sounds like he needed to quit something because he had lost his purpose for being a Christian minister. I do hope he becomes more effective in his relationship to Jesus Christ as well as his ministry to others. But I also noticed he took a broad brush and swiped everybody else without any love or consideration that there was anybody in another denomination that could actually be in a real relationship with Jesus Christ doing real ministry for the Lord. He still needs a lot of maturing in Christ and hopefully he will find God’s way instead of His own way.

Now there are so many dead churches and it is hard to find one that is truly alive unto the Lord because of so much departure from the original message begun at the outpouring at Pentecost in the upper room. But everyone must follow God in the Word according the leading of the Holy Spirit. It is biblical to have church leadership to help the saints grow in the Lord.

Ephesians 4:11-12 (KJV) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

It is biblical to gather together with other believers.

Hebrews 10:24-26 (KJV) 24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Now I believe when a person has received so much light from the scriptures then they are responsible to do something with what they have received. In other words, we must be about the will of God in reaching the lost and discipling/maturing believers. We shouldn’t be causing confusion and painting everything with a broad brush. How many people are we winning to Christ by criticizing and condemning?

I don’t mind saying that I am a part of a Pentecostal denomination. It is not perfect and I pray for the leaders, ministers, and people that are a part. I only look at it as a tool but my faith is totally in Jesus Christ. I understand there is only one church and Kingdom of God. I am totally free in Christ. I have preached and seen many saved and filled with the Holy Spirit. I have witnessed major healings from the Lord. Now I will say that if I’m ever commanded to do something unbiblical or every told I couldn’t preach what God gave me from the Holy Spirit, from the inspired Word, then I would have a problem that could cause me to leave the denomination, if we couldn’t reconcile before God. I am free, but I’m also accountable, because I need to be submissive to others in the body of Christ.

One final note, I hope we all are striving to please the Lord. I hope we all want to hear him say "well done thou good and faithful servant”.

Blessings to all...rbanks

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