What isn't "Speaking against God's annointed"

Is opposing a pastor or teacher, who are handling the Word of God improper, touching the Lord's annointed? If they are interputing the scripture from saying what is plainly written, to something watered down or contrary to sound doctrine, and you take a stand against this, would that be considered touching God's annointed? Where are the boundaries in this?

Yes, and amen! I want the lord's approval and valadation. To serve Jesus completely, as I sat in church, wanting so to speak out the truth, when my pastor would say "If we do not have the fruit of the Spirit, who is it affecting or hurting" in me was the loud shout "the Lord, God". He said to my dismay the people, our brothers, sisters :(. This is true BUT second to the Lord! We are to serve and live for HIm first! For His good pleasure! I'm afraid that I'm dealing with a man-pleaser, rather than seeking to please God, and yes this pastor has said many things like this before, taken the scriptures and forming it to say God wants us happy, we are all sinners, so lets understand each other,. because of our flesh-kind of rubbish! Where are the REAL Men and Women of God?? Let me know that I may have some hope..

Every one who says Lord, Lord shall not enter the Kingdom of God, but only those who do the will of God, our Father.I wrestle, and continue to wrestle with this Scripture, but I trust Almighty God to show us, all of His Children, what this Scripture truly means. He will do this according to His Holy Spirit that lives in us.Sometimes I don't want to see the error of these Pastors and Teachers, because I like them.Can only relay what God has shown me.I'd rather have Jesus!God Bless you all.Nellie :-)

Let me know that I may have some hope..If you in Fayetteville Arkansas I know a good church...but I see your not...We have been attacking humanism like a mad dog in the last month. We are trying to get all of the humanism out of us. It is a process for sure... there is sooo much of it out there.

What isn't "Speaking against God's annointed"?Answer: The Bible doesn't say anything that I know of that specifically says that you can't "speak against" God's anointed.Now it DOES say that you shouldn't "touch" them. Look at the context of David and Saul. David was in the position to KILL Saul. But then look at what he did the next day. He stood on the hill and SHOUTED his grievance before the whole camp of Saul. And stated that he refused to touch (or kill) God's annointed when given the chance. There's the context.Just remember one thing. Rebuke not an elder, but entreat him as a father and the elder women as mothers. Follow that rule and you should be just fine. Let God use you.RT

We are all the Lord's anointed. No man is beyond correction and accountability. The Scriptures teach that we are all to submit to one another in the fear of the Lord, this includes those in leadership submitting to the rest of the congregation. With that said though, we should be especially carefull of stoning people with our words, especially those in leadership positions.

Here's a good thing to think about, yes there is an unction (also called anointing) that comes upon us for service i believe that with all my heart. We have earthly authority and we should as scripture says, respect that authority. Truly though we are "in not of" so our ultimate allegience has to be to OUR king, our Anointed one. However, the anointing that we have is, in my best definition, the result of having the anointed one inside. Now if i attack the "anointed" who am i really attacking? But let me ask you this, is the action in question indeed something consistent with the character of Christ? If not then how can we call that anointed? If it does not line up with the Word and is not consisten with God's integrity and character, then it is not of Him. We called that which is not so. i agree with Krispy, if you got it you got it and you don't have to keep reaffriming that you are. Don't hear what I'm not saying, I love my pastor and there is an unction on his life, i respect what is has and is doing for God and would never dream of hurting him. However, there has to be a line and there has to abe accountability and wether it is to me or to a senior Bishop or to God alone, there has to be a space of correctablity even for those anointed--for if there is not then one of the main reasons for the word according to Timothy is lost (rebkue, reproof and instruction in righteousness)just my thought.

G'day all,This topic is such where one needs direction from the Holy Spirit. Pastors are there to lead the Church, but we are also encouraged to obey them (1 Timothy 5:17, Hebrews 13:7). What some Pastors neglect to see (and I stress the word 'some' - not all) is that this command is to the members of the Church. What I mean is that there is no command for the Pastor to dictate over the flock, but to lead them. It is up to us, as members, to obey them. Notice that in the Old Testament, the term "the Lord's anointed" is only used by Samuel and David; therefore, one wonders if a principle can indeed be taken from this term. In fact, Samuel used it of David's brother (1 Samuel 16:6 "And it came to pass, when they were come, that he looked on Eliab, and said, Surely the LORD'S anointed is before him."), and David used it of Saul AFTER David had been anointed King! (i.e. 1 Samuel 26).Last of all, the Bible does predict that some Pastors ARE going to dictate rather than lead. 1 Peter 5:1-4 says: "The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away."Notice that the Pastor is not to be a "lord" over God's heritage, but is to lead by example!All that was said to say this: As the Pastor is God's leader for the Church, his position is to be respected; however, I cannot see any Bible verse or principle that a Pastor can rely on to announce that he is God's anointed. After all, a Pastor is to be God's humble servant.If your Pastor is stepping over Scriptural boundaries, you have a responsibility to talk to him; to show him with love and God's Word what he says is wrong. He will have two choices: either change from his ways with humbleness, or will go further into his wrong teaching.Please ensure, though, that you approach him in a meek and humble spirit.In Christ,Mitchy

"But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things." [1 John 2:20]We are all the Lord's anointed. No man is beyond correction and accountability. You nailed it on the head, KingJimmy! We all should boldly declare that we have the anointing that have the Spirit of God. To say that we dont...?? Do you really want to confess that? Listen to the Word:"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." - 1 John 2:27Now I will remind you all that in the KJV when "you" is used, it is always plural. (Thee is always singular) This passage speaks to all Christians. We should ALL have the anointing! If you don't, then cry out to the Father and get it!The Scriptures teach that we are all to submit to one another in the fear of the Lord, this includes those in leadership submitting to the rest of the congregation.Well..No...But you were doing really good up until this statement. The Scriptures NEVER teach mutual submission. It is always "one to another". In other words, everyone has SOMEONE to submit to. Does the husband submit to the wife? Does Christ submit to the church? I hope all of you answer a resounding "God forbid!"Here is a link to a powerful article on this topic:"The Myth of Mutual Submission" by GrudemBlessings,RT

Someone like Benny Hinn tho... a babbling heretic, is not in leadership in the Body of Christ. There is good reason to believe he isnt even in the Body of Christ, but thats not the issue. When a heretic arises, it is important that they are exposed publicly because what they teach is public, and it effects many. Many are deceived by these people today... deceived straight into hell in many cases.I can agree with you in principle. But you have not stated any specific grievance against Hinn. Yet you have all but discluded him from Christ by your statements. Please include your grievance if you are going to blast a heretic.Not that I don't have my own issues with things the Hinn says and does. But I hope that I would state my grievance when talking so freely negative about him or anybody. Let's exose the error and pray for the heretic. Though we reject them after the second admonition, we should still pray that their souls will be saved on the day of judgement. If we ever feel comfortable wishing any human soul in hell, that should be a condition of heart that when exposed in us should drive us to our knees in repentance. God help us all.RT

G'day all,This topic is such where one needs direction from the Holy Spirit. ...snip...Please ensure, though, that you approach him in a meek and humble spirit.In Christ,MitchyJust had to say Amen to your post. Great stuff, Mitchy.RT

but were not all the nation of Israel "God's anointed"? Indeed they were...1Chr. 16:22 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. Psa. 105:15 Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. In the incident recorded here God is the speaker and the anointed are His people. If we take a slightly wider context we find just who the speaker was speaking to...“He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes, Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.”(1Chr. 16:21-22, KJVS) This word was addressed to the enemies of Israel and relates to God's protection of His people. It was spoken directly by God to the rulers of nations and their dealings with Israel. Not only was it spoken to them but the context makes clear that it was God's protective word for Israel and that those kings were caused to obey it. It is often used as a rebuke to God's people by a preacher or leader but it was never designed so to be.It is part of the mistaken notion of 'anointings' for ministry which has made us open to this kind of misapplication. According to to the New Testament all the regenerate are anointed which is much more in line with the original context of the phrase.

Notice that the Pastor is not to be a "lord" over God's heritage, but is to lead by example!did you notice that there is not a single reference in scripture to a church having a pastor?

Now I will remind you all that in the KJV when "you" is used, it is always plural. (Thee is always singular) This passage speaks to all Christians. We should ALL have the anointing! If you don't, then cry out to the Father and get it!Of course it would depend very much on your definition of 'Christian' but this verse does not say that all such 'should have the anointing' but that all such 'do have the anointing' corporately. This truth is repeated in “For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us. Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.”(2Cor. 1:20-22, KJVS)The 'anointing' in the OT has primarily to do with the consecration to priesthood. Aaron was the 'anointed' priest and his sons received the 'anointing oil' by means of sprinkling rather than by a separate anointing experience. The 'anointing' set apart the High Priest and his sons 'unto the Lord'. The Lord's post-ascension anointing follows this pattern...“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.”(Heb. 1:8-9, KJVS) The 'anointed priest' was the High Priest; Lev. 4:3,5,16; 6:22; Num. 35:25 and and his 'anointing' set him above his fellows. This pattern follows through into the next chapter of Hebrews where we have a consistent allusion to the 'father and his sons. The original Levitical priesthood was exclusively 'a father and his sons'...“For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.”(Heb. 2:11-13, KJVS) The pattern for the OT anointing is the priesthood where in the same day they were 'stripped of the old, bathed in the laver, clothed in garments of beauty and glory, anointed with oil and blood, and had their hands filled to serve God and each other'.

What then, would be a course of action toward the pastor at my church, who has misinterputed important verses of scripture,(Romans 7:21-25 and Romans 8:1) what is as bad , he's using the Living bible version, which is helping mislead the people. In his eyes as he teaches, what he values more than intimacy with Christ is with each other. Very humanistic theology. What do you recommend, that I can do, other believers are seeing this too. I have been waiting on the Lord, I have been praying and not moving out on this. Thanks