Danger: Freemasonary in the church and the Occult in the Church!

How many preachers we have in our pulpit who promulgate like but our secretly practising things like Freemasonry

2 Corinthians 11
1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 5For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. 6But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.

How many leaders like Billy Graham and other were secret freemasons who we adore there teaching

When is there going to be a repentance of the church on this subject!

Dom please do not accuse Billy Graham of being a Freemason. That is a slanderous lie that has been discredited. Best stay off those heresy hunter and conspiracy websites you like to visit.

Where ?
We have to deal with this problem in church , this is not conspiracy information. Why can’t we deal with the fact we have many famous preachers in the church and the pew who practise freemasonry and it is biblically wrong. How can preachers preach from the pulpit but deny Christ when they visit the lodge
I do not like to visit conspiracies websites.
This is a problem

Why don’t you research it yourself instead of slandering a recently departed man of God who was the greatest evangelist of our day? Why are you so quick to believe gross lies rather than making sure?

When I first heard that it took me about 5 minutes of research to determine it was a lie.

/When I first heard that it took me about 5 minutes of research to determine it was a lie./

It took me about two and a half minutes or maybe less.

It is common knowledge that the freemasons often claim men of God to be one their own kind. The devil is very clever.

Here is an email from 21 years ago to his ministry.

Subject: Freemason

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 11:23:21 -0500

From: dkinde@graham-assn.org (Don Kinde)

Thank you for your e-mail message. We understand your concern about rumors that Mr. Graham is in some way associated with Freemasonry. The reports are erroneous ”” though we continue to hear them. Mr. Graham is not, has not been and does not expect ever to be involved in Freemasonry. Your help in keeping the record as accurate as possible would be much appreciated.

Sincerely,

Don Kinde
Christian Guidance Department
Billy Graham Evangelistic Association

So that should answer that question beyond a shadow of a doubt. Billy Graham was not a Freemason, period.

It is sad that men have difficulty discerning the visible fruit of the Holy Spirit. Billy Graham by far was a man of God who lived a life above reproach in our generation. God used him and opened doors for him to preach the good news.

He was an obedient servant who fulfilled his calling to sow and to water and his job ended there and God is the one who has, will, and more importantly continue to reap the harvest. We have not even begun to see the fruit of his labor and those who co-labored with him.

This man was instrumental in ministering to both of my catholic Italian parents in which God drew them, called them out, and saved them.

So listen to Gods admonition and warning to us.

1Peter 3:8-17  Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:  (9)  Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing.  (10)  For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:  (11)  Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.  (12)  For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.  (13)  And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?  (14)  But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;  (15)  But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:  (16)  Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.  (17)  For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

Bearing false witness is a serious crime that we need to be careful of. Listen to one of the last messages Billy Graham spoke to all of mankind.

This is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth and yet men having eyes, they see not, and having ears, they hear not, and they profess to have the Holy Spirit of God, and yet they discern not, but rather choose to bite and devour, bear false witness, and condemn the righteous. They choose to fulfill their own will and not Gods.

I submit that their beef is not with Billy Graham but it is rather with God. They are actually saying God is not capable to finish what He started, they say His hand is shortened that it cannot redeem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4TMuee7Ir8

A final and sobering warning to those who choose to cast down Gods elect from their excellency Psalm 62:4. Pay close attention to verses 7&8

Psalm 64:1-10 Hear my voice, O God, in my prayer: preserve my life from fear of the enemy.  (2)  Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:  (3)  Who whet their tongue like a sword, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, even bitter words:  (4)  That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not.  (5)  They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?  (6)  They search out iniquities; they accomplish a diligent search: both the inward thought of every one of them, and the heart, is deep.  (7)  But God shall shoot at them with an arrow; suddenly shall they be wounded.  (8)  So they shall make their own tongue to fall upon themselves: all that see them shall flee away.  (9)  And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing.  (10)  The righteous shall be glad in the LORD, and shall trust in him; and all the upright in heart shall glory.

Hi Dom,

Do you mind to reveal your sources of information on Billy Graham? Is it hearsay?

If you cannot prove it, practise your own words:

The problem is that there are sorts of conspiracy websites who have perpetuated this lie for whatever reason.

This is not hearsay and do not believe everything that you hear! A freemason denies that he is in the lodge!

In the Masonic book, The Clergy and the Craft, published in 1970 by Freemason, Rev. Forrest D. Haggard, Graham praises the Masonic DeMolay group, saying:

"...there are thoughtful, concerned young people - who seek to correct the errors in moral navigation that have been made by their elders, intelligently and responsibly. These are the young people upon which the hope of America's future rests and DeMolays are part of this group - May God richly bless all DeMolays as they continue their good work." (The Clergy and the Craft, Rev. Forrest D.Haggard, p.127)

Billy Grahams Endorsement Of Masonic Youth Group
https://web.archive.org/web/20090423112938im_/http://www.geocities.com:80/endtimedeception/clergy.jpg

He is listed as a Famous Freemason on the back of Albert Mckays book !

http://www.noiseofthunderradio.com/storage/Mackey%20book%20flap.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1309706301224

Follow link

It’s doubtful that such men would be of any value on the witness stand. Their numerous Masonic oaths to lie and conceal Freemasonry under penalties of gruesome death would tend to have more influence on them than swearing on a Bible. (See Duncan’s Masonic Ritual book, p. 30 for the 1st Degree oath.)

He is listed as a Freemason in Genesee Lodge no 174
http://www.cuttingedge.org/Genesee.pdf

https://www.lausanne.org/content/lga/2014-07/lausanne-74
Lausanne is one of the things billy graham set up aswell,that is a whole other blog post!

Whether Billy Graham is or not Freemasonary is Antibiblical

As Christians the whole nature of Freemasonary is to stay hidden, there could be many Freemasons in our pulpit now!

Freemasonry - Dr. Walter Martin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl6BY2hVdds

https://www.bilderberg.org/First_Degree.htm
I was trying to find rituals from offical sources such as Albert Pike

What I marvel is the audacity to attack the messenger when we are actually not dealing with the subject as if we want a reason why God is not reviving his church because there is sin and idolatry in it.

I know there is freemasons in the Salvation Army as one of my friends went down to the Lodge in London and found records.

Only God knows! Why do we revere Leaders and not Christ as leaders fail but Jesus does not !

Dom, why do you chose to throw in your lot with his accusers?

Are you 100% sure that these are credible sources? Are these people Christians with a life testimony?
It is very easy to fabricate things, especially on the internet.

Even if your are pretty sure but have some doubt I would not make such a statement. Why aren't you content to just leave it to God?
You crossed a line. Do you think it is your job to warn others about a man who has lead hundreds of thousands to Christ?

Billy Graham has been accused of all sorts of things all through his life.

His responses to accusation have been an example for proper Christian conduct to many Christian leaders. He never responded to ridicule and mockery, but when it came to lies he made a statement.

Don't shoot the messenger , I love you Frank
In the world we live in , I provided the evidence such as he is listed on a famous book he is a freemason and listed on a lodge as a famous member of that lodge

This is the problem with doing a five minute Google search and not going deeper

My problem is not that is where is freemasonry preached against from the pulpit

//My problem is not that is where is freemasonry preached against from the pulpit//

That is the least of the issues that need to be addressed from the pulpit.

//My problem is not that is where is freemasonry preached against from the pulpit//

That is the least of the issues that need to be addressed from the pulpit.

Why ? Inflitration in the church is of highest importance, There is things like the NAR movement!

So are you fine with someone going to church and being a freemason as it is biblically forbidden !

Galatians 1:10
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

1 Corinthians 10

19What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 22Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

2 Corinthians 11

12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Dom, are you 100% sure?

Did you ever meet any author of these sources?

Albert Gallatin Mackey died June 20, 1881 way before Billy Graham was born.

I found a masonic sources that states that discredits that claim that Billy Graham was a mason. It was probably misconstrued because Billy once shook the hand of Harry S.Trueman, who was a mason, but Billy Graham shook hands with many presidents. I do not want to post the link, but you will find it.

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I hope this thread gets locked. Greg, what do you think?

I specifically did not chose sources like that as it can be ambiguous such as Harry Truman hand shaken as it is dubious , a book can be written in 1888 but Billy Graham is noted
On the back as a mason a famous one
Frank are you against freemasonry, to me the largest question is being ignored as it is in the church

Freemasonry is antibiblical I provide link to the rites they perform in the lodge and Walter Martin an expert on cults like the Jehovah witnesses and mormans exposing freemasonry

Can we atleast agree that freemasonry is wrong and that it should not be in our churches

//So are you fine with someone going to church and being a freemason as it is biblically forbidden !//

Where did you get the idea I was "fine" with freemasonry?

What I said was that there are many more pressing issues than this confronting the church. That does not translate to being fine with freemasonry.

Yes!

And how about this one?

SermonIndex Community Guiding Principles Chapter 7
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=44556&forum=13

I watched a TV segment where Billy Graham was being interviewed by Larry King and in that interview he said some things that I thought were a compromise of the faith. I thought Evangelist Graham totally biffed it.

I can concentrate on that or I can look down the decades long ministry of this Evangelist...and find sermons that will rock your world...and I can concentrate on that.

While I am not shy about noting and refusing errors of all kinds in all sorts of Christian leaders, it's also a good to have some perspective about it all. Calvin with his fleas, Luther and Knox with their fleas, Piper and Driscol with their fleas, Graham with his fleas, and pretty much all of us here, when put under divine scrutiny will expose all our fleas.

Then in true legalism we can all denounce one another as false, liars, hypocrites, damned, heretics, loons, compromisers and any other thing that suits us.

In the end, there is no true Church, because the true Church must be at least as good as we imagine the true Church to be, but when all is exposed to the light, there is no true Church because everyone has fleas and in legalistic fashion we can even accuse Jesus because he claimed them as his own.

Someone said...aaaayy that's just a slippery slope argument, and I say, no, "that's all that's left after a Saul has justified himself at the killing of his Stephens."

Let us guard our spirit from making false and unfounded accusations.

Ecc_7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.