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Friendships between Baptists and Pentecostals?

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TakeUptheCross Apr 14, 2018

Hello everyone,

here am I once again with a question: What do you think about "interdenominational friendships", in this case about a friendship between Pentecostals and Baptists?

I am "P", although I prefer to describe myself as a follower of Christ. In my town I met some Baptists sharing tracts and started to talk with them, visited several times their church and I somehow love them. I do understand that we have doctrinal differencies (i.e. on praying in tongues) but... If they are truly children of God, is there something wrong or dangerous in having fellowship with them, too? Or is there a danger that I "fall from the faith" and be drawn by doctrines of men?

Yours in Christ, E.

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TMK Apr 14, 2018

I started out Baptist, went more charismatic, now I'm back to Baptist. Good friends on both side of the aisle. In my experience the best Bible teachers are Baptists, the best prayers are charismatics.

I have never heard of a Pentecostal shunning a Baptist- over what? I went back to Baptist because of the gross excesses of the charismatic movement, and the fact its hard to find a serious Bible study on the charismatic side.

There is not enough doctrinal difference to warrant avoiding Baptists. However, it doesn't necessarily work the other way around, particularly if the charismatic church is a tad wacko.

sermonindex Apr 14, 2018

Todd, you use the terms Pentecostal and Charismatic interchangeably, you do realize there can be a great gulf between classic pentecostalism and Charismatic? .......bro Frank

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TMK Apr 14, 2018

You’re right- I was using them interchangeably. My bad.

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Martyr Apr 15, 2018

Oh God! How sick the church is that questions like these can even be asked

sermonindex Apr 15, 2018

To answer your question E, I think it is wonderful that you love them and can fellowship with them. I believe that there are remnant saints in almost every church everywhere. I think you will inevitably run into trouble because of the gifts issue, it simply wont be accepted in any gatherings or fellowships of the Baptist persuasion, very sad. I often think what would Paul have said to a group of people if he asked them.............

"Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied."(Act 19:2-6)

How would most Baptist churches or churches who do not believe in the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit reply to such a question if one like Paul were to ask them? ........bro Frank


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BranchinVINE Apr 15, 2018


Agree, Tyler. This must surely break our Heavenly Father's heart.


I ask:

What is a Christian?


sermonindex Apr 15, 2018

There are dangers on the other side of the road where Jesus speaks to those who had all the gifts:

Matthew 7:21-23 New International Version (NIV)
True and False Disciples
21 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Do all have the gifts of healings or tongues? No. The spirit of God will manifest different in each believer whether baptist or Pentecostal, we need each other. Of course there are tares in both camps.


Even if one's doctrines are not right perfectly they can still be a child of God.

But as Frank said it is true that unless we have the Holy Spirit in us, we are not His. Is Christ in you? Paul says. Not gifts in you as we can have the spirit but not be using all the gifts He has given us. We can even have the Holy Spirit and be denying his power, though power should be displayed through our lives. We could have the Holy Spirit yet not allow the victory of Christ over our flesh.

But the question is, does Christ dwell in you by His Spirit? It does not matter whether you are pentecostal or baptist for that question I believe.

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Heydave Apr 15, 2018

All denominations and church groupings have the doctrines of men alongside the doctrinal truths of scripture. This includes the cessesationist Baptist and Pentecostals/ Charismatics. Whichever side of the pendulum swing you are on, there will be man's tradtions and doctrinal stances added to biblical truth. Unfortunately everyone believes their particular set of doctrines are solid biblical truth. We saw this play out in the recent cal/arm debate.

There is only person I know who has all their doctrine 100% correct. Thats me! :) Joking obviously, but this is how we think too often.

Hope you find can have fellowship with the Baptists that are part of your family if the are born of God.

sermonindex Apr 15, 2018

Greg writes...........

"But the question is, does Christ dwell in you by His Spirit? It does not matter whether you are pentecostal or baptist for that question I believe."

I agree with that statement. And we know that the Word say that the Spirit would lead and guide us into all truth. When I considered the question of this thread, I was not thinking about doctrine, for who among us would stand up and say that they had a perfect doctrine? Neither was I thinking about individual gifts, because you could have all the gifts of the Spirit and not have love. No, I thought about what would happen if Paul asked the question today that He asked back in Acts 19. Truth is, there are many churches who would run him right out of the building. Now, no matter at what stage someone finds themselves at in our spiritual walk and sanctification, when someone who has the Spirit of God in them hears someone like Paul asking such a question, they will yield to the truth spoken to them. If someone does not have the Spirit of God in them but is merely religious, they will fight such a man as Paul tooth and nail and with violence of words and actions as we have seen played out over the last 2000 years.............bro Frank

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Heydave Apr 15, 2018

Frank, It is equally true to ask how many Petecostals would protest if Paul came and said that 'tongues' is the least of the gifts and not all spirit filled Christians have that gift? Ref "Do all speak in tongues?". Rhetorical, meaning 'no'.

sermonindex Apr 15, 2018

Actually Dave, as someone who has walked among Pentecostals for over 40 years, I would not agree with your assertion. I have been to churches where their was an over-emphasis on tongues ( not for a long time mind you) and they were clearly wrong specifically because of the Scripture you quoted which makes it plain that not all Spirit filled believers speak in tongues. This is why my favorite Scriptures on the subject is 1 Cor 14. Almost every pentecostal church I have ever been in (hundreds) would have no problem embracing such a church on principal. I have never been to a Baptist church (hundreds, also went to a Baptist Bible school) where this kind of gathering would be acceptable under any circumstances. Quite a contrast dont you think?...........bro Frank

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Heydave Apr 15, 2018

Frank, I was alluding to the petecostal position of tongues as the evidence for baptism of the Spirit. I concede not all Petecostals hold to that view.

I'm not defending the Baptist position, but see both if not all traditions have their blind spots. I too have over many years had and have fellowship with both Pentecostal and Baptist traditions. Not quite 40, but around 36. :)

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AbideinHim Apr 15, 2018

I believe that labeling believers as Baptists, Pentecostals, etc. etc. only brings division within the Body of Christ. We tend to have our own preconceived ideas as to what those labels mean, and not all Baptist Churches teach the same thing concerning the Baptism and gifts of the Holy Spirit, and the same is true of Pentecostal Churches. Many people that hear of the name "Pentecostal" think that it relates to
a Pentecostal denomination, but there are Christians from every denomination that have received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, that are Pentecostal, because they have the experience of Pentecost.

The basis of all fellowship is that as born again believers in Jesus Christ, that we have all been made to drink out of the same Spirit. The enemy is behind all of these debates on doctrine. We can still disagree on many things and still remain in fellowship with one another.

It is the will of God that all of the Body of Christ would come to the unity in the faith, and this will only come about if we are allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us and guide us into all of the truth, having a teachable spirit, and speaking the truth in love.

sermonindex Apr 15, 2018

Dave, I think you will agree with me that it is one thing to have a blind spot and quite another to deny and be extremely hostile to the point of expulsion, a major tenet of the NT. That might be akin to saying that the Biblical Jesus is just a blind spot to the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormons and so on.

Mike writes............

"I believe that labeling believers as Baptists, Pentecostals, etc. etc. only brings division within the Body of Christ."

Amen and therein lies the problems with denominations, they are, by their very nature, divisions. Surely we cannot be a brick in the wall and at the very same time say that the wall is divisive? The very purpose of a wall is to divide.........bro Frank

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Heydave Apr 15, 2018

Mike,

The fact is they label themselves, it is not us putting the label on.
In labelling themselves they then box themselves in to a doctrinal position that comes with that particular group. Hence the original question, 'Can I being a Pentecostal fellowship with a Baptist?'
Granted many are part of said churches who may not label themselves as such, or box themselves in doctrinally, that said it is a problem of the system.

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TakeUptheCross Apr 15, 2018

@Tyler - I do not know why do you think that the chruch is sick. It was I that posted the question, and the others may (and partly do) have a different view on that.

Actually I know that there are great differencies among churches even of the same denomination. So also among Baptists, Pentecostals etc. My point was that, I do not want to reject somebody who God has accepted. And that is why I love them. At least from what I perceive, this local Baptist church seems to me to strive to follow God in their everyday life. Perhaps some may still find it difficult to accept me, but so were I, I guess several years ago...

I am not for denominations. I believe God has no contract with chruch organisations but rather with people - so just because you are part of a movement / denomination that started out with God in a revival, that does not mean that God has a contract with your denomination (i.e. "I will be with 'Holiness Chruch', 'First Baptist Chuch' or whatever the name... till the end of the world).

@TMK - Yea, I too love how they expound the Bible and dive in it. There are also some among the Pentecostals who do likewise . But (I hope) with time, I learn to rejoice at everybody who is a disciple of Christ, whatever the camp. Cause "those who are born of the Spirit are children of God". :)

sermonindex Apr 15, 2018

Dave writes.......

"The fact is they label themselves, it is not us putting the label on. In labelling themselves they then box themselves in to a doctrinal position that comes with that particular group. Hence the original question, 'Can I being a Pentecostal fellowship with a Baptist?'

That's exactly right Dave.............bro Frank

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havok20x Apr 15, 2018

So, I go to a baptist church. My mission trips to Kenya have been with an Assemblies of God ministry. When we had a Discipleship Now weekend, we invited a well-loved, well-trusted charismatic couple to teach the students. Just yesterday, we arrived from a Men's Conference hosted by a charismatic church. Are there doctrinal differences? Yes. Are there questions on both sides? Yes. Do some of the more baptist-leaning men in our church grapple with tongues, declarations, etc? Yes. So what do we do? We fellowship! We dialogue about our differences. We hold those men with whom we've been fellowshipping in honor because they CLEARLY love Jesus, CLEARLY are yielding to the Spirit when they are teaching, and CLEARLY love us. And you know what? We do the same with them.

There is a lot to be said about the character of a man when discussing doctrinal differences. My pastor, in my own church, does not see eye-to-eye with me on every doctrinal point. But you know what keeps me from even casting a sideways glance at him? His character. The man clearly loves Jesus and loves people. The fruit of the Spirit is evident in his life. That's why I can simply discuss the differences and come away still loving other brothers and sisters who disagree.

Now, if a man had poor character and disagreed with me on doctrines, I would likely not be able to fellowship with him. That being said, if a man agreed with me on EVERY jot and tittle of doctrine, but had poor character I wouldn't be able to fellowship with him either.

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TrueWitness Apr 15, 2018

havok said:

Now, if a man had poor character and disagreed with me on doctrines, I would likely not be able to fellowship with him. That being said, if a man agreed with me on EVERY jot and tittle of doctrine, but had poor character I wouldn't be able to fellowship with him either.

Amen. Life is a test of character, not knowledge or skill.

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