The seven mountain mandate is antibiblical

The idea that there is seven mountains that the church has to conquer the mountains of entertainment, government and others is not only not biblical .

The Bible speaks of the opposite

Matthew 24
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. note

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. note

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. note

There is not any groundig for this in the scriptures and I cannot find verses that the church will conquer the world before Jesus returns as completly unbiblblical

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, note

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. note

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

What we notice in this passage is that the Antichrist will be destroyed by Jesus return , in Matt 24 we notice the world will get worse and worse until Jesus return

There is no ground in the bible for the seven mountain mandate

//There is no ground in the bible for the seven mountain mandate //

Perhaps not, but there is a mandate to go into all the world to preach the gospel and the seven areas are clearly part of the world.

Would you rather have the educational system infiltrated by Christians or pagans?

The thing is the message in the bible is to preach the gospel not to infiltrate these seven areas , I would rather have christians preach the gospel rather than using worldly methods to infiltrate the culture
I live in the UK we have a secular education system , this doctrine goes against the whole fact that Jesus will come to save this world rather than a triumphant as places like Iran , Afghanistan, North Korea , eritria , Sudan , Pakistan in these countries this westernised American doctrine does not work and it is not biblical
In places like Iran where persecution is extreme more Muslims have come to know Jesus
I find this doctrine abhorrent to what the Bible says

Does London still have a Muslim mayor?

prov 29:2 When the righteous are in authority the people rejoice,but when the wicked rule, the people mourn.

We all know ( not happy about it!) that France and England will soon be completely run by Islam.

Let's see if we can have revival without giving the reins of our nation to allah!

We know the kingdom of God is not 'earthly' but we are to occupy until He comes.

Breathe on us Oh Lord!! amen

Rusty

We know the kingdom of God is not 'earthly' but we are to occupy until He comes.

Breathe on us Oh Lord!! amen

Chapter and verse from the Bible as there is no biblical verse that backs up the idea of the seven mountain mandate, the Bible does not state that we shall occupy the earth until.jesis return .

It actually states the opposite

Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be

Matt 24

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

The Bible talks immediately after the tribulation of those days it does not talk about a glorious church that has occupied the world welcoming Jesus back , the Bible talks about this world getting world getting so bad as in the times of Noah , Noah and his family were the only righteous people among a massive population of wicked people , God saved them through the ark

This is even stated in the early church fathers

Our nation was not turned around by trying to influence the world in the seven mountains but through the preaching of the gospel that turned this nation around from savages to a civilised nation

This is what is so bad about the seven mountain mandate it Denys the power of the gospel that turned the world upside and uses worldly methods and it is another gospel , one which has no power to save sinners

And again He said, "To what shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal till it was all leavened.”
Luke 13:20-21

Dominic, Christians are agents of a foreign government whose mission is to infiltrate and subvert. Of course the method is the gospel.

I don’t exactly see why you think it is a bad thing that Christians infiltrate societal institutions. The alternative is to not have Christians in those institutions, which would seem worse, at least to me.

If I am correct, I believe that the 7 mountain mandate view is accompanied by the belief that the earth will be conquered and subdued by the gospel and then Christ will return to a peaceful globe. This view seems to run counter to scriptures such as Daniel 12:1-2 and Matthew 24:21 which describe a time of unequaled trouble and tribulation that ends in Christ's second coming and the resurrection of the dead.

I know nothing about the specifics of a 7 mountain mandate that David mentions.

When I 1st heard about it several years ago it was simply a strategy for influencing societal institutions like education and arts. I never heard that Illuminati-ish version. Perhaps there are different versions of the same idea.

Brother David,
You sir are correct- although it could be said "based on” the belief...
it’s Dominion-ism repackaged.
A top down purging of all non Christians in anything is demonstrably counter to the great command... Love the Lord your God with all, and your neighbor as yourself and it doesn’t say take over and purge all the unbelievers?? That’s Islam
We are His body and I def haven’t heard the head (Christ) call us to do a thing like this nor can I find anything even remotely similar in scripture.

https://www.generals.org/rpn/the-seven-mountains/

Cindy Jacobs, a well known prayer/intercessor in charismatic circles has outlined the 7 mountains or spheres that the prayer warriors are to intercede to God for drastic changes in those areas.

Aside from eschatological differences ( which we all agree is not an essential ) these Christians are attempting to seek God for inroads into these cultural mind-shaping spheres of influence.

Taken at face value it is really difficult to understand why anyone here who claims to value Christian ethics, Christian freedoms, Christian teaching, Christian living, Christian worship would seem to poopoo these folks from praying and seeking God to make changes.

I don't understand why you would not want your children offered a Christian perspective on the world rather than straight humanist-atheist perspective?
Why would we want our governments without the wisdom and influence of godly men and the word of God to help them make decisions, right now, we have lunatics which we all voted in steering our nation into a moral hell.

I for one, would love to see multitudes of Muslims come to Christ versus the few. But it seems their zeal for souls and their zeal for change and their zeal for prayer has not passed the litmus test for some of you.

Outside of Illuminati gossip and disagreements over eschatology there is no substantive word against it.

Make no assumptions about my allegiance to Cindy Jacobs or to some connection with the illuminati, what is there about this that is so appalling?

I recognize there is no explicit scripture to validate praying for these 7 areas of influence, but there is no validation in scripture to validate our SI discussion board on the internet either. Nor is there any explicit scripture validation that unless you are pre-tribulational rapture you are under suspicion of false prayers, false church growth.

I would think in our 'revival' praying we would ask God that he would turn around our culture from the cliff-jump its heading for. But maybe your revival is for leaving things as they are?

Please bring some definitive proof this is not the work of God.

Nigel quoted in another thread...
"Secular music, do you say, belongs to the devil? Does it? Well, if it did I would plunder him for it, for he has no right to a single note of the whole seven. Every note, and every strain, and every harmony is divine, and belongs to us."

"If I thought I could win one more soul to the Lord by walking on my head and playing the tambourine with my toes, I'd learn how!"

-William Booth

Be careful of Booth, you might read he would plunder the devil for art, family and business too.

Sarcasm aside, do you ever notice we commemorate our heros of the past and kill our prophets in the present?

Please bring some definitive proof this is not the work of God.

Try the bible I have laid out verses such as matt 24 and 2 Thessalonians 2

Just as we pray for our leaders and for all those in authority, We are being sent out into whatever realm of society that the Lord has called us, to be light and salt. One of the greatest lies of the enemy is that Christians are not to have any influence in government, education and business.

The Welsh Revival literally transformed the nation of Wales for a season. That is what can happen, When God rends the heavens and comes down, and when His presence is manifested in the earth realm.

God has never changed His mind about the great commission. Wherever people are saved, nations can be transformed.

I believe we are talking past each other.

Like I said when I first heard the seven mountain strategy probably 10 years ago it had nothing to do with any end times scenario. It was simply a strategy to instill salt and light into saltless and dark cultural institutions. How can there possibly be anything wrong with that??

Now some of you are saying the seven mountain strategy is linked to dominionism and some strange end times conspiracy. That very well may be true as well and I would disagree with that version of the seven mountain strategy.

In other words, some of us are talking about one version and others are talking about another.

Brother Todd,

While it hasn’t quite been 10 yrs, maybe 6 or 7 since I became aware of 7 M/Dominionism and they are interchangeable in many cases. Basically different branding but a very similar "business model”.

Also where did the God of mercy go?
When did we stop loving others?
I mean honestly, what if you or your wife were "purged” out of the workplace by Christians? Not for being Christians but BY Christians..... let that sink in for a sec-
And who gets to decide who is Christian enough to keep their career?? And how much is enough and how much is too much?
And where oh where is the biblical mandate for this?

I know someone close who got caught up in this a few years back and it was sad,.... they def want your money so they can purchase property and "claim it for God” then develop it and sell or borrow against it to continue their real estate acquisitions... but neither Jesus nor Paul did anything like this... our King says His kingdom is not if this world:)

Edited to add; I def don’t mean to be part of any movement to bash other believers, even if they’re in error as we all are on something... I can say that I am not personally called to this ministry (7M) but as a member of the body of Christ I am called to speak truth IN LOVE and not use the sword to cut down others but to cut away the lies that so easily entangle... as a member of the body we are called to pray and intercede so perhaps our time may better glorify Christ in that endeavor:) after all He prayed we would all be one per John 17

Thanks Fletcher-

I certainly have no loyalty to the idea and only heard it discussed once. It is possible I only heard part of the picture.

You are bringing things up that I had no knowledge of, like forcefully ousting non Christians from employment (not sure how this would be possible in today’s environment) but I take your word for it. Of course that would be improper. I thought it meant to be salt and light in the workplace and change it from the inside by making converts.

The Bible talks immediately after the tribulation of those days it does not talk about a glorious church that has occupied the world welcoming Jesus back , the Bible talks about this world getting world getting so bad as in the times of Noah , Noah and his family were the only righteous people among a massive population of wicked people , God saved them through the ark

This is even stated in the early church fathers

This quote is, in a nutshell, the problem with the seven mountain strategy. For context, it is a doctrine that is being taught by those in the apostolic/prophetic movement. There are some pretty major foundational doctrinal issues with this movement. I am not claiming that people in this group are not saved. I know many who are radically in love with Jesus and have no reason to believe that most are not. However, there are also some foundational issues that I see with many in the movement that are leading them astray. Unfortunately, I have already seen these issues lead some that I know personally to a point that I fear for their salvation.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with believers impacting people in their culture and trying to be influential in government, education, etc. We are to be salt and light. But the problem comes when we see ourselves as the anointed forerunners who are called by God to take over these areas and set up a kingdom for Christ to receive when He returns. It is not in agreement with any kind of plain reading of scripture. The 24/7 worship movement is an outflow of this idea as well. They misinterpret the tabernacle of David (Look up what it means in the New Testament...it is plainly stated), and believe that this worship movement is necessary to speak prophetically into the atmosphere to bring Christ back to earth again. Again, there is nothing wrong with desiring to worship God 24/7. At issue is the motive of that worship. What we do is far less important than why we do it. The right actions for the wrong motive are equivalent to the wrong actions.

Hi Dom: you said..
"Try the bible I have laid out verses such as matt 24 and 2 Thessalonians 2"

You realize how useless this is? Ive read Matt 24 and 2 thess about 100 time over the years, none of it demands me to repudiate prayer for Christian influence in any of those 7 areas.
You must also realize the utter laziness of just giving me a text with no interpretation or direction, have me read it and thereby assume what I think is going to match exactly with what you think...the substance of which these texts have nothing to do with?
You must also realize you are saying unless you have the right eschatology you cannot offer the right prayers or influence in the world?
Or maybe you are saying your eschatology forbids you to pray in such manner?
You might also realize that the charismatics and pentacostals are for the most part pre-trib rapturists that would agree with your eschatology but not your stance on the power of God's kingdom.

No, I think you have no real substantive argument against it, only an eschatological view that has no real weight against what they are seeking God to do.

As to claims of coercion and forced removal of people in various places...I need some actual direct quotations in context before I will believe that.

You realize how useless this is? Ive read Matt 24 and 2 thess about 100 time

You clearly havent!

The doctrine invented by Laurence Cunningham and Bill Bright is not just simply a prayer initiative.

THE SEVEN MIND-MOLDERS OF SOCIETY Both Dr. Bill Bright, founder of Campus Crusade for Christ, and Loren Cunningham, founder of Youth With A Mission, received the same revelation from God

around the same period of time: there are seven major realms of influence in society that shape the way we live and think. Kingdom-oriented people must invade these mountains of influence in order for the transformation of society to take place. These mountains are: Ӣ Home Ӣ Church Ӣ Education Ӣ Media (Electronic and Print) Ӣ Government & Politics Ӣ Performing Arts (including Entertainment and Sports) Ӣ Commerce (including Science and Technology).

Wallnau, Lance. Invading Babylon: The 7 Mountain Mandate (pp. 27-28). Destiny Image, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

If you note in this book it is not prayer it is transformation of society!

The whole aspect of influencing people for Christ is against the scriptures as we are commanded in scripture to preach the gospel!

There is something called the Law on Non Contradiction, if I say one thing and something completely contradicts me !

So if the Bible says something and a teacher or prophetess something that clearly contradicts what the bible says they are classed as a false teacher and a false prophet !

Matt 7
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

In Matt 24

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

it talks about that you shall be hated by all Nations for my names sake! this does not sound like the seven mountain movement as how can you influence society if you are hated by all nations for my names sake, this is Jesus we are talking about!

We as christian

Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

This movement is not an eschatological view it is a view that is directly opposed to scripture!

John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

James 2:5
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

It is a different Gospel! It commands us to influence areas rather than preach the Gospel!

1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Galatians 1:9
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1 says that if any man preach any other Gospel let him be accursed! We are not commanded to influence the seven mountains we are commanded to preach the Gospel!

We were commanded to "occupy” until He comes (Luke 19:13 KJV). Occupy is a military term. And according to Kingdom values, occupation is always for the purpose of advancement.

Wallnau, Lance. Invading Babylon: The 7 Mountain Mandate (pp. 33-34). Destiny Image, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

This is clearly against scripture we are not commanded to occupy until Jesus returns!

2 Thessalonians

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

How can you occupy when jesus returns he will destroy the Antichrist!