Why I do not believe in a Pre Tribulation Rapture & why I do not think it is not biblical 2!

Will the Church go through the Tribulation?-Dr Phil Fernandes
tinysa.com/sermon/7201152331

End of Days Series - Testing the Pre-Trib Rapture - 119 Ministries
https://youtu.be/qXO2MiWYUis

Biblical Scholar Refutes Pre-Trib Rapture- Dr Michael Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5mPc8o53go

Pre-Tribulation Rapture Debunked - William Lane Craig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyKS6vy_0cg

Great Rapture Debate: Dr Thomas Ice & Richard H Perry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tF0bCaH5oc

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Dealing with David Hunts Article
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/pre-or-post-trib-rapture
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/will-rapture-occur-last-trump

Dealing with Davids Hunt article. I am not against David Hunt as I love his ministry to Cults and warning against the deception in the Church and such good books as the Seduction of Christianity. I think this is because this generation was immersed in doctrines such as Evolution and Pre Tribulation Theology which was there bread and butter through things like the Schofield Bible.
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1) At the Rapture Christ does not return to earth but catches believers up to meet Him above the earth, taking them directly to heaven: "I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also” (Jn:14:3
); "caught up...to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thes:4:17
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In contrast, at the Second Coming Christ returns to this earth to rule Israel and the world from David’s throne in Jerusalem: "His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem” (Zec:14:4
); "the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end” (Lk 1:32-33); "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him....The armies which were in heaven followed him....Out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron” (Rv 19:11-15).
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Notice in this Passage we have got no direct context to passages like 1 Thessalonians 4:17 and how do we know that John 14:3. This is prooftexting.

It also assumes the idea of a Rapture and the Second Coming from the getgo with assuming that there are two events.

I wish people would look at 1 Thessalonians 4

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16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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Notice that there is no timing in this passage it does not say that it is at the beginning of the tribulation.

If you want a quick answer go to this video

Post Tribulation Rapture - Disproving Pre-trib in 3 Steps!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofLLykErtp4

Basically it says in 1 Thessalonians Chapter 5

5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

It says this event is the Day of the Lord and we can do a simple bible study to know what the Day of the Lord is !

Joel 2:31
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.

This is also mentioned in Acts

Acts 2:20
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

The Rapture is basically the Second Coming!

Lets also look at 1 Corithians 15
as he also mentions it in the article

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":2) At the Rapture there is a resurrection of all believers who have died up to that time: "The dead shall be raised incorruptible” (1 Cor:15:52-53
); "the dead in Christ shall rise first....” (1 Thes:4:16
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1 Corinthians 15
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
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If you understand this passage this whole passage is to do with resurrection it is one of the oldest passages in the new testament according to scholars.

Note the start, how the beginning of this passage starts

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15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:

6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.

8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
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The whole passage is to do with the resurrection and you just need to look at the context to work that out, there is no where in this passage where it says this will happen at the beginning of the tribulation.

The resurrection at the end of days is a concept throughout scripture but the passage that poses a problem for people who believe in the pre tribulation is Revelation 20 as it says there are 2 Resurrections.

Rapture and Resurrection is synonymous.

Rapture is Resurrection!
Rapture is Resurrection!

Rapture is Resurrection!
Rapture is Resurrection!

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Rev 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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David Hunts Article
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/pre-or-post-trib-rapture
8) As for the Rapture, unquestionably, the early church was taught to expect it at any moment and to eagerly watch, wait, and look for Christ’s return, when He will catch all believers up into His Father’s house to be with Him eternally: "Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord...” (Lk 12:35-36); "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body” (Phil:3:20-21
); "Ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; And to wait for his Son from heaven...even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come” (1 Thes:1:9-10
); "looking for that blessed hope” (Ti 2:13); "unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation” (Heb:9:28
). One does not watch, wait, and look each day for something that cannot happen until Antichrist’s advent or the end of a seven-year tribulation. Thus, there must be a coming of Christ that could happen at any moment.
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I wish you could look at all these verses in context as the proof texting is terrible. Lets believe this to be true. Why didnt the Rapture happen during the life time of the Early Church Fathers. Why does it have to happen when Israel was rebuilt. Anytime could mean back in the first century or during the time of the Protestant Reformation.

If you read Irenaus or any of the early church fathers they understood that they had to face the Antichrist so that the church would be purified.

In this passage in 2 Timothy they are saying that the Resurrection has allready happened. We determined that the Resurrection is the Rapture.

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2 Timothy 2
The Lord's Approved Workman

14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Lets deal with this Article here

The Rapture is the Last Trump
https://www.heraldofhope.org.au/rapture-last-trump/

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Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed (1 Corinthians 15: 51-52).

These people contend that the "last trump” mentioned by Paul is the last of the seven trumpets that sound during the Tribulation.

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Whats the problem with this quote !

Lets say this is a rapture verse. Then we either have the problem that there is another seven trumpets after the so called Rapture.

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They shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect (Israel) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (Matthew 24:30-31).

This trumpet will sound at the second advent of Christ, which Matthew states is "immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days” (Matthew 24:29) and is 1,260 days after the seventh trumpet judgment. Therefore the seventh trumpet judgment cannot rightly be designated as the last trumpet and there cannot be a mid-Tribulation Rapture.

Furthermore, the trumpet that sounds at the Rapture is "the trump of God,” while both the seventh trumpet judgment and the trumpet that sounds at the second advent are specifically said to be sounded by an angel.

If however, the "last trump” is the trumpet that sounds when Christ returns to gather Israel "from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other,” Christians would have to pass through the entire Tribulation and this contradicts other scriptures that state that Christians will not go into the Tribulation. For example:
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Notice the () in Matt 24 as nowhere does it say Israel in this passage. Where does it say it is the Trump of God as in Corithians it says the Last Trump. In Matt 24 it says Elect it does not say Israel and Jesus is talking to the Apostles.

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1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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The day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape…But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thessalonians 5:2-9).

A clear distinction is made between the saved and the unsaved. "They shall not escape” but "Ye brethren…are not appointed to wrath.”

The "wrath” in this verse cannot be punishment in hell because the context is "the day of the Lord,” which is the Tribulation.
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Yes it can wrath can mean Hell just look at the context. Salvation is where jesus saves us from hell. This passage also hasnt got anything to do with the Rapture.

John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Romans 1:18
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Colossians 3:6
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=wrath+god&begin=47&end=73

God has saved us from the Wrath of God but to equate Wrath and Tribulation is crazy.

As Jesus promises Tribulation

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

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However, Paul lived and wrote in the era of the mighty Roman Empire whose armies constantly preserved peace in the provinces. Roman legions were extremely well disciplined and when they shifted, they followed strict procedures. Paul may have witnessed Roman legions shifting camp or at least would have been told about them.

The Jewish historian, Josephus, in his book entitled The Wars of the Jews, Book 3, Chapter 5, described how a Roman Legion shifted camp. Three trumpets were blown and the third trumpet was the last trumpet. He wrote:

Nor can their enemies easily surprise them with the suddenness of their incursions; for as soon as they have marched into an enemy’s land, they do not begin to fight till they have walled their camp about … When they have thus secured themselves, they live together by companies, with quietness and decency, as are all their other affairs managed with good order and security.

… they neither sup nor dine as they please themselves singly, but all together. Their times also for sleeping, and watching, and rising, are notified beforehand by the sound of trumpets, nor is anything done without such a signal … When they are to go out of their camp, the trumpet gives a sound, at which time nobody lies still, but at the first intimation they take down their tents, and all is made ready for their going out; then do the trumpets sound again, to order them to get ready for the march; then do they lay their baggage suddenly upon their mules and other beasts of burden, and stand, at the place for starting, ready to march; when also they set fire to their camp, and this they do because it will be easy for them to erect another camp, and that it may not ever be of use to their enemies.

Then do the trumpets give a sound the third time, that they are to go out in order to excite those that on any account are a little tardy, that so no one may be out of his rank when the army marches. Then does the crier stand at the general’s right hand, and asks them thrice, in their own tongue, whether they be now ready to go out to war or not. To which they reply as often, with a loud and cheerful voice, saying, "We are ready.” And this they do almost before the question is asked them; they do this as filled with a kind of martial fury, and at the time that they so cry out, they lift up their right hands also.

Paul used the symbolism of a Roman soldier and urged Christian to "endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ” (2 Timothy 2:3). He spoke of taking the "whole armour of God” (Ephesians 6:13) and told Timothy, "No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier” (2 Timothy 2:4). He referred to Archippus as "our fellow soldier” (Philemon 1:2) and at the end of his ministry he said "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith” (2 Timothy 4:7).

I think we can confidently say that Paul was well acquainted with the procedures in the Roman army and with this in mind, he would liken the rapture of the Church to a Roman legion shifting camp. The "last trump” was the final call to depart and the eagerness with which the Roman soldiers "with a loud and cheerful voice” answered their captain saying, "We are ready,” will be the response of Christians when the Lord descends with a shout saying, "Come up hither!”
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There is no direct connection between a Roman Army and the Trumpets this is such a spurious connection. You cannot clearly come up with this connection if you just had the new testament text. This would be what the Cults do, something called Collapsed Context. Linking two things that are completely unrelated!

This Article

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What can you tell me about the last trumpet, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” 1 Corinthians 15:52 I don’t believe this is the same Last trumpet as in Revelation 11 but how do you prove that to some one who is post trib?
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There are several opinions concerning this so-called last trump.

Most post- trib believers equate the Last Trump with the trumpet call Jesus will issue to the angels to gather his elect at the time of the 2nd Coming (Matthew 24:31). But that trumpet dispatches His angels in Heaven to gather the elect for their return to Earth. It’s not a signal for the Church that it’s time to leave Earth. Therefore it cannot be the trumpet call that will be heard by the Church in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:52.

It’s Mid trib believers who say the last trump is the 7th trumpet of Revelation 11:15 and following. They believe it puts the rapture just at the threshold of the Great Tribulation. But this trumpet is never called the last Trump in the Bible, and again it’s blown in heaven not on Earth.

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Chapter and Verse) Where does it say it is blow
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The pre-trib position is that the Last Trump is the one time the Church will hear a trumpet call while on Earth. It’s mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and is called the Trumpet call of God.

The Trumpet of God will only be heard twice on Earth. The first time was at Mt. Sinai when the Law was given (Exodus 19:16) and the last time will be at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:16). (Hence the name "Last Trump.”) Both are accompanied by the audible voice of God and both create a Kingdom.

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Linking the Passage 1 Thessalonians 4:16 to Exodus 19:16 there is no direct connection as with the Day of the Lord Passages in scripture
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From comparing the giving of the Law to Israel with the rapture of the church we can see several other similarities as well. At Mt. Sinai the Israelites were redeemed from slavery, at the Rapture the Church will be redeemed from sin. They were consecrated, we’ll be perfected. They washed their clothes, we’ll be given clean clothes. God came to the Mt. top, Jesus will come to the air.

At Mt. Sinai Moses and Aaron went up, at the rapture we will go up. At Mt. Sinai Israel was wed to God. At the Rapture the Church will be wed to Jesus. At Mt. Sinai God dwelt with Israel and at the rapture the Church will dwell with Jesus.

Since many Biblical models are necessarily incomplete, there are also some obvious differences. Only Moses and Aaron could ascend the mountain. Anyone else going up passed from life to death. At the rapture we will all go up and everyone will pass from death to life. God promised to dwell with Israel if they obeyed. We will dwell with Jesus because He obeyed. They changed themselves temporarily, He will change us permanently. Theirs was an event accompanied by great fear, ours is an event anticipated with great joy. After all Mt. Sinai was the presentation of God’s Law, and the Rapture is the manifestation of His grace.

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It makes two spurious connections between the passages of Exodus to Revelation and Thessalonian.

One of the clear rules of Hermeneutics is that you have to use the clear didactic teaching passages to unclear.

Using typology for doctrine is not good hermanuetics

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1 Corinthians 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the ...
... In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall
sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

Revelation 11

The Seventh Trumpet

15And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Matt 24
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

"Why I do not believe in a Pre Tribulation Rapture & why I do not think it is not biblical 2!"

Glad to hear that you do not believe in a Pre Tribulation Rapture, because it is not biblical.

But neither is dispensationalism biblical.

If only those who do, would stop using their newspaper to interpret Scripture, the Left Behind movies and books would not sell, nor make christians look like foolish dreamers. This end times madness is doing as much harm as the televangelists and megachurches.

Amen

From my view, we also shouldn't forget either how replacement theology has muddied the waters and has several notable problems regarding its defense.

What I hate is being lumbered in with the replacement theology crowd just because I believe in a Post Tribulation Rapture!
If we are saved through Christ what I do not understand as with Dispensational Theology is the area of Salvation.
If the Church is saved through Jesus, then who are the Tribulation Saints saved through and the Jews.

I always struggled with what is classed as a failure in Dispensational Theology ! There is so much dissention on what is classed as an epoch. I struggle believing in either Covenental or Dispensational Theology.

I do believe all Israel will be saved as it says in Romans 11. Then there are crazy views such as Yahweh has his bride Israel and then Jesus has his bride the Church, I have not a clue who the Tribulational Saints bride is?

Then there is the dividing up of Passages like Matt 24 saying part of it is for the Jews and nowhere in scripture does it state that.

I do not like the fact that
"THE CHURCH AS A PARENTHESIS IN CLASSICAL DISPENSATIONALISM

Blaising, Craig A.. Progressive Dispensationalism (Kindle Locations 394-395). Baker Publishing Group. Kindle Edition

exception that some belong to one group and others belong to another. There will be an eternal distinction between Israel and the church, not in metaphysically distinctive kinds of salvation, but in name””the church is always church, Israel is always Israel.[15] The Eternal State.  In the eternal state, all will be resurrected from the dead or transformed into a resurrection mode of life. There will be no difference in the kind of eternal life experienced by saved humanity, whether they be Israel or the church. Revised dispensationalists differed among themselves, however, on the nature and sphere of that eternal life. Whereas classical dispensationalists placed the heavenly people in heaven and the earthly people on the new earth, revised dispensationalists either placed all the redeemed in "heaven” or they placed them all on the new earth.

Blaising, Craig A.. Progressive Dispensationalism (Kindle Locations 477-484). Baker Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

it is these types of quotes that there is an eternal distinction between Israel and the Church in the eternal state.

It is really ironic because if you understand covenants they are more Jewish. I find it crazy with People who love Israel and the Jews they do not love the fact they are going through mass persecution whilst the so called church is in heaven and that there is no basis for that in scripture.

I do not understand also why people say they are a lover of Israel when most Jews dont actually like Israel or know there own Torah. I have seen so many Christians say they love Israel to try and get the gospel message in.

Ben Shapiro: Why Jews Vote Leftist? - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4

I love Israel and I want to see Jews come to know Jesus! and come part of the bride of the Messiah.

Jew and Gentile, One in Messiah

11 Therefore, keep in mind that once you””Gentiles in the flesh””were called "uncircumcision” by those called "circumcision” (which is performed on flesh by hand). 12 At that time you were separate from Messiah, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Messiah Yeshua, you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of the Messiah.

I really didn't have you in mind at all when I made a reference to replacement theology. I'm sorry if you took it that because I didn't mean it. I know where you are coming from though. Many times when I state that I believe Israel has a future role to play after Christ's coming people many times have automatically assumed that I am of a dispensational view when I'm not. Millions of Christians don't believe in a pre-trib rapture and are not dispensational nor of the replacement view.

Thank you.

It was interesting when I was working in the christian bookshop actually doing a survey of how many church groups actually believe in replacement theology it is actually alot less than people think. I remeber going to a reformed theology lecture when studying this and the lecture saying that due to the fact of the popularity of the left behind series and the C I Schofield bible and other bible teachers.
I wish they would do a personal bible study as most people who believe in pre trib are scared to hear the other side! I used to believe in pre tribulation theology until I read my bible!

The whole thing I hate at the moment is when people like prosperity gospel preachers use the feasts of Israel to get money for there broadcasts. I have seen so many preachers use Israel as a way to get money including Arnold Fruchtenbaum, have you seen the prices of his books? I wish most ministries would realise that most people dont tend to buy books or dvds they tend to download them.

You have authors like Steven Sizers and others who are into replacement theology.

There are alot more problems in the church at the moment.
I know that when I was working in the christian bookshop I was desperate for books to recommend and I could barely find one, i felt safe in the commentary section.