Would You Consider Abortion in These Four Situations?

Would You Consider Abortion in These Four Situations?Battle Cry - Issue Date: January/February 19991. There is a preacher and wife who are very, very poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she is pregnant with her 15th. They are living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending abortion?2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. They have 4 children. The first is blind, the second is dead. The third is deaf and the fourth has TB. The mother finds she is pregnant again. Given the extreme situation, would you recommend abortion?3. A man raped a 13 year old black girl and she got pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She is not married. Her fiancee is not the father of the baby, and he is very upset. Would you recommend an abortion?If you have answered “yes” to any of these situations:In the first case you would have killed John Wesley, one of the great evangelists of the 19th century.In the second case, you would have killed Beethoven.In the third case you would have killed Ethel Waters, the great black gospel singer.In the fourth case you would have recommended the murder of Jesus Christ.With U. S. abortion deaths topping 30 million, only God knows what we have sacrificed in lost human talent and creativity.Powerful!RT

Scripture teaches that God is the Author of life - the One who opens and closes the womb. There are no "chance" pregnancies.Dan/\\/\\/\\

I like your question and following answer/observation with historical refrence. It would seem in this day and age what we see so often coming from the liberal news media and Holleywood is that very question you askked in the begining. They take and extreme situation and place it in a lovely setting and manipulate the masses to side with them by degrees , while at the same time undermining the very morals that support our values and by that they taint our judgements. They'll have much to answer for in the soon coming days as the door of oppurnity slowly closes in repentance for many.

Scenario 1:It is the Holy Spirit's job to convict her of sin. I would tell her to ask God about it - if God reveals to her that she could have done something, and she feels convicted therefore that she is guilty of that murder, then she would need to confess that to the Lord.Scenario 2:I would explain to her from scripture that God has already made a person inside her, and that murdering this child is not only a crime against her own progeny, but more importantly is a sin against God. I would also show her how really she was being selfish - and willing to kill her own child in order to be so.Scenario 3I would first determine if the mother's life were really in danger. This particular scenario is all but eliminated in the first world. If her doctor was couselling her in this direction, I would tell her to get another opinion. Scenario 4Again, as in Scenario three - this is not a realistic scenario in our day and age. I would advise the father to do a bit of research in the matter, then find another doctor.Scenario 5:I would counsel the father-to-be to use every effort to convince his wife that murder is still murder even if one is ending the life of a person with disabilities. I would also remind him that frequently these tests are wrong, and healthy babies are needlessly murdered. If you despise a fool, you despise the God who made him.Scenario 6I would counsel the minor to encourage the mother-to-be to have the baby, since conspiring to murder is murder in the heart. I would explain to the minor that God, being the Author of life and the one who opens and closes the womb, has not made a mistake in allowing the young man and women to reap the seed that is planted. Whether the boy intends to take responsibility for his actions or not, murder is never an option.Dan/\\/\\/\\

I may be off, but i think it's dangerous to ask quetions like this. I don't believe that there is any way to TRULY know what you would say to any of the people in theses situations. We can be trained to respond a certin way, but training may fail when "pregnant female" goes from a statstic to your best friend. As far as the counseling part goes, God will help us find the words, if or (God forbid) when any of these situations confront you. just my opinon....don;t take this as a rebuke just food for thought.

Dorcas, as a Christian who has worked in the pro-life movement for 15 years and have counseled many pro-abortion minded women, I think I can give you some answers based on our experiences.#1: Sin is still sin regardless of the circumstances. Unless you treat this incident as sin, there is no hope for the individual you just mentioned because there would be no healing that comes from forgiveness. Confession of sin and repentence will result in forgiveness and healing for the grief this girl will expeience when she relizes the extent of her sin. AND the girl got pregnant by having sex. Whether she was raped or whether it was consensual, makes no difference. #2: I have asked many females who were wanting to have an AB this question: "What in your mind is an abotion?" They say, with very few exceptions; "It is killing a baby!" Dorcas, these women know it is wrong, they have told me so but think God will make an exception in their case! #3: For the one who is advised to have an Ab for health reasons: the experts will tell you such a scenario rarely happens. Many have been advised to abort for 'health' reasons - for either her or the child - and because of conscience reasons, refused. They committed their lives into the hand of the giver of life and came through the pregnancy well. Our daughter, Regina, conceived after she got a brain tumor which complicated the doctors ability to treat her. At thirty weeks the baby was born by c-section because she was dying. Both survived the procedure well. She died over nine months later. I asked the doctor if she would have aborted the child early on if that would have increased the probability of her survival and he said "no". Then the question is asked "what about a tubal pregnancy?" The mother is hemorrhaging and now the doctor will remove the offending zygote and repair the fallopian wall. This is a non-issue because you do not have here a viable fetus and both are dying, the mother and the zygote/fetus. #4:see above. #5:This is one of the facts of life - not all will be born normal. But the deformed child is no less a human being then the normal one. And doctors have been wrong in predicting the child's health. I know of cases where the patient took the physician's advice and got an 'therapeutic" abortion and the baby was normal. Talk about some angry people!!!! I advised them to sue the doctor for malpractice because he did this to others. But the trauma was so severe they did not want to relieve it which would happen if they would be called to testify. BTW: we wondered whether he was selling baby parts.... Oh, and I do have a grandson who has Down's syndrome. Now you have situations in which the fetus really is deformed and its ability to live outside the womb is nil. Why not let nature take its course? We had a family in our church who followed the advice of their physician to have the child 'taken' because it was in a trauma, knowing the probability to live was very small. Later, this couple regretted what they allowed themselves to be talked into. She experienced severe grief, sorrow and guilt. Letting nature take its course is the best. #6:This happens all the time. Abortion is still killing and a sin. If the family would be too traumatized, there is always the option of adoption. Many will object saying, "if I go through nine months of pregnancy, I can not give my child up for adoption!" Then I say, "so you would rather kill it?" "Yes!" is their reply.What about rape victims? One of my rape victims told me it is grossly unfair to punish/kill a child for the behavior of someone else! True, and if you find it too difficult to keep the baby, go to a reliable adoption agency and let them find an adoptive family for the child. To adopt your child out will require a lot of grace from the LORD but it has been done. Abortion appears like an easy way out for tough situations. But this is a lie. Abortions never solves problems; it creates problems greater then the woman ever imagined, although these problems may not be apparent at the moment, the laws of spiritual life are that they may surface up to twenty years after the fact.In many - not all - situations in which a crises pregnacy occurs there is some other sins involved: like adultery or fornication. (Even married women may have stepped out on their husband, unknown to him...now insist on aborting because she is afraid of the child parentage, more so if the father is of a different race). Many females are hooking up with mere acquaintences, do not even like the male and then when they conceive, hate the child and will abort for no other reason then they just DO NOT WANT THE BABY! I would suggest that when a female finds herelf in a crises pregnancy, to find a Crises Pregnancy Center and go in for counseling. Although most counselors are volunteers, not professionals, we were required to keep abreast of the latest developments that impacted the pregnant woman. And our purpose there is to help. After being there 15 years I have heard every horror story imaginable and then some unimaginable. This is why I am so thankful for the work of the cross and how it cleanses, redeems fallen peoples. Nothing is too hard for the LORD IF one submits to its cleansing. It should also be noted that since abortion has become wide spread, the divorce rate has gone through the roof. The old people used to say when people fornicate before marriage, they are liable to cheat on their spouses after they marry. Hence, a rise in the divorce rate. What do you think? Blessings,Ginnyrose

I believe my Hero would answer with this, First answer me this question; when is murder not murder? We must have an answer as to what is our HOPE. we must first have the answer to give an answer. Work it out someone will ask, if not here then somewhere else. Find your answer, the Holy Spirit will give you one if you ask. Prayer ,Prayer,Prayer

In response to dorcas' earlier post...1) to the person who is now coming to Christ... How should they view an abortion they had in the past because they were under the age of consent and it was arranged for them with little consultation of their wishes and absolutely no option to keep the baby offered. They were enabled to continue education, now have a good job and have loved every minute of the freedom which being childless has afforded them? Incidentally, her parents are Christians. (Remember, you are speaking to her, not them.)I wouldn't consider it their sin, but a past tragedy. If they were forced into abortion, it's not their fault. Think of the rape of an unmarried woman. She's technically had premarital sex, but does God count it as sin against her?2) to the Christian who is being advised to have an abortion for other than health reasons to herself?You weren't very specific here. I'd still say no abortion. I don't even think health reasons is a good reason for abortion. I guess I'll address that in the next situation, though.3) to the to the Christian or the non-Christian who is being advised to have an abortion in order to save her own life?To the Christian, I'd quote Philippians 2:3, " Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves." That child comes first, even before your own life. As a woman, if I knew 100% that giving birth would kill me, I'd start writing a will and making funeral preparations.To the non-Christian, I honestly don't know what I'd say to her. I'd try to convince her to try...that her child was worth dying for. But I'd also pray for God's mercy and for Him to shed light onto the matter for her, and for her salvation, in hopes that the presence of the Holy Spirit in her life would make an impact that would lead to God's glory. It's hard, but life isn't easy.4) To the Christian father whose wife may die if she doesn't 'lose the baby'?What do you say to the man who lost his wife and children in a terrible car accident? God works toward the good of those who love Him. God gave him his time with his wife, and is now preparing for him to share his time with his child. In death, life is birthed. Christ's death gave us an opportunity to be reborn into new life. His wife's sacrifice is noble, and will be honored in Heaven.5) to a father-to-be whose wife wants to take the option of abortion she's been given, because the baby is going to be seriously disabled?Tell him to try to convince her to give it up for adoption. If she feels unable to care for it, there are MILLIONS of couples unable to have any child, and would love to lavish the child with attention and care for his/her every need. To kill someone just because they're disabled is just mind-numbingly cruel and savage. It's not a life that's within our jurisdiction to kill, whether they're physically or mentally disabled. Who's that mathematical genius who's paralyzed from the neck down...talks through a computer?6) to a minor, the child of a Christian family, who finds he's going to be a dad, unless the girl has an abortion. Her family are not Christians, their daughter is young and they don't want her to have the baby.He needs to go and talk to the family, tell them that when he's legally old enough, he'll get legally wed to their daughter, and he needs to tell them he will not abandon her. By having sex with her, he married her in God's books, and now he needs to be responsible for the commitment he made in that action. If they force her into abortion, that is one of the MANY repurcussions of his sins, and he better get on his knees and say his sorries, and abortion or not, he is her husband, if he's to live the Christian life.Abortion is a sore spot in my heart, and I don't have pity for anyone who has an abortion. My husband gives a great example.There's a drunk driver, and he hits a car carrying an old woman, and her two grandchildren: a young boy and girl.The young girl is dies en route to the hospital, after enduring intense suffering. The young boy is paralyzed from the neck down. The old woman is badly hurt, but recovers...but is without a granddaughter and must help care for her grandson.The drunk driver CANNOT rescind this incident. He chose to get drunk, he chose not to have a designated driver, he chose not to call a cab, he chose to get in that car drunk. He CANNOT take back what has happened, but he can accept the consequences and do everything in his power to make the situation as best as possible.The woman considering abortion (usually) chose to have sex in the first place. You can use the rape example all you like, but you know that not every woman in that clinic was raped. 99% of those women chose to have sex, knowing that sex's primary purpose is for procreation (contrary to what society would like us to believe). If she CANNOT care for a child, she can give it up for adoption. There is NEVER a reason for abortion, when adoption is an option.Like the drunk driver, the woman sitting in the abortion clinic had a choice, and with choices comes consequences, and whether she likes those consequences or not, she's responsible for them. If you're enough of a "big girl" to have sex, you better prepared to be enough of a "big girl" to be a mother, or have the integrity to let someone else be one who is unable to bear children.

#5:This is one of the facts of life - not all will be born normal. But the deformed child is no less a human being then the normal one. And doctors have been wrong in predicting the child's health This was the case with my second son. The doctor gave us no hope of haveing a normal baby and we had emergency room counsil to AB. My wife's health was at risk and she was bleeding. After ex-rays all the bad counsil came, abort. We stuck to our convictions and asked the Lord for His intervention. We also took it to our church family.Today we have a healthy almost 13yr old son who's very much a prayer warrior and christian. I know he's the apple of God's eye, but he's the apple of my eye too.Thankful for God's mercies. In Christ Bro. Daryl

Beautiful testimony Dohzman!

I personally would recommend abortion as soon as I would recommend suicide. I wouldn't do either. I believe God will forgive if you repent and I also believe God is a healer.

Preacher Parsley,One of the saddest things I have never seen happen is when a woman who knows full well what an aborton is, knows God does not approve, that is it sin and goes ahead and does it anyways and then repents. I have seen women who have repented and experienced forgiveness for having had an AB but never have I seen one who has gone against better knowledge. If there is such a person, I would love to talk with her. Repentance after an AB is extrememly difficult, at best. Females who had one had to defy nature, instinct. In order to experience forgiveness you have to be 100% sorry for your sin; 99.9% sorry is not good enough. Women who feel the AB was the tiniest bit justified cannot experience forgiveness. This is why the sin is so terrible and should never be contemplated. Dorcas, I am wondering where you are going with your questions? Perhaps you will inform us that the birth control pill is an abortifacient? I personally know some Christian physicians who will refuse to subscribe it to women for this reason...and if this is true, how about all the women who take it and are ignorant of this fact? are they sinning? Dorcas, your questions provoke more questions.....Thought provoking thread...Blessings,Ginnyrose