I know this is a can of worms, but I really need a little help here...Can anyone reccomend teaching on it?I know there is "war on the saints", but the controversy on the forum about it has sort of turned me off... no one reached a conclusion...So is there anything else? Or was a conclusion reached that I missed?ThanksDavid
Scripture is very clear that a born again believer has power over demons by way of the name of the Lord Jesus. More powerful demons may require prayer and fasting to be cast out. That's basically it. All the other stuff is a charade.
Power Encounter by Opal Reddin is a book I would encourage you to order. It handles issues like this very well.
Re; Exorcism A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. James 5:13-15 gives direction in this area. Unless that person holds onto one and despises the other.
A kingdome divided against itself cannot stand?James 5:13-15 gives direction in dealing with division. unless, of course that person holds onto the creature and despises the creator.
Coops --- there long since has been a subtle teaching in the modern Church that we don't need to know any thing about the Devil. However, I have never agreed with that. I have over the years studied biblical demonology, and in counseling I have handled some cases in which people had seen to have shown signs that would seem to indicate they may have had demons. And that I had believed they did have a demon.Any way, I would be happy to scripturally address any question you may have on this subject. If you have questions.But you want to be careful with stuff like this. I reminded of what C.S. Lewis said: "If the Devil can't get you to ignore him, he will get you to focus on him." I believe C. S. Lewis was right.For either of which can lead to error.
That's a good book and that was godly counsil. We should all give it a reading and in some cases re-reading.
....a preacher had asked for help setting up his tent in this downtown park in New England. So a friend of mine and I went down there. There were lots of street folks hanging around. Any activity is a curiosity to them. The tent was already up when we arrived. There was this long haired guy who "zeroed" in on me as soon as I walked near him. He walked up to me in a kind of slow motion ballet. He said he was "Michael the Archangel" in one breath and "Beelzebulb" in the next. He acted as if he had a large sword in his hand and was attempting to thrust me through. I simply reached out and layed my hand gently on his forehead and at almost a wisper spoke the name "Jesus" That guy collapsed in a heap. It is really hard to describe. He did not fall backward or forward. He simply collapsed. The guy with me looked at me with his jaw dropped. To make a long story short, the man on the ground later got saved and went to street preaching. On another occasion, this same friend of mine called me at 10 PM one night as asked me to meet him and others at the church. He said that this young woman needed a "demon" cast out. So I went. Waiting in the parking lot, I was gazing into a moonless night, and I could see "spirits" circling overhead. The others arrived along with the "demonized" young woman and this guy who called himself a "prophet". They went in to the church building and sat this young woman in a chair. Then the "prophet" quickly took charge and instructed everyone to circle the young woman and join hands. Most people began praying in a tongue while the "prophet" began a loud oration of shouting and slobbering. He would stop and break one of his hands free and stick his finger in his throat in an attempt to throw up. The poor young woman in the middle looked like an animal in shock as lions ripped apart it's flesh. It was so bizarre, that I broke free myself and left in horror.Excorcism is a ministry that is misunderstood by most, since most are not called into it. We are all armed with the power to overcome any opposition by satan. We simply speak to our Father in Heaven about it. If God be for us, who can be against us. We have God on our side...we therefore win every battle. That Holy and Precious Name of Jesus is more than enough. It is not necessary to scream and shout, to whine and snivle something that attempts to "validate us" before our brethren. The power is in the name, not the way it's spoken. I remember one of my 8 children coming to me and lamenting over some toy that belonged to them, but was in the possession of a sibling. They had asked for it back, and the sibling had refused to give it back. So I told my child to go and tell the sibling, "Daddy said". The sibling immediately gave it up. Please note, that my child did not tell the sibling "Daddy said" without first coming and talking to me. It simply would not have worked. Somehow the sibling would have known that there was no "power" behind the demand. How often we do this so wrong. We take action without first conferring with the Father. Jesus did not walk in His ministry that way, we should not either. There is no subsitute for seeking the will of God in all that we do and say.in the wonder of it all,Lahry
wow those are amazing stories!! very encouraging!im surprised there is so little about it in the bible, and yet so much teaching on it. i can't find alot of things to biblically back it up, but from what ive seen there is just alot of yelling and the possesed doing all sorts of stuff... alot of mystical sort of things...anyway I have discerned people who could easily be demon possesed... but then have also heard people like Derek Prince who is convinced that he himself could be possesed and not know it...so once I know whats in place, whats next? i hear things like "make sure its more than 2 of you" and "make sure you have worship music on" and "make sure you have foods for the person", "find out how they got there" "find out their name" "find out how long they have been there" "find out how many are there" etctheres so much!! how much is biblical? I just want a biblical "Key points"... in short i want to know how because i know 2 people who need it...thanks!
... and hulsley i will definately consider "power encounter"
Speak the to Father, do what He says, even if there is no time to think about it. Some needs are immediate. Others you have some time to be alone with God. The power is in the bloof of the Lamb. His name is Yeshua, Jesus.In Him,Lahry
lol the simplicity is frustrating! i want a how-to in 10 easy steps!but the power isn't in our action but in our faith... i gues what im getting from this thread is "dont complicate things" and "just do what God says"as much as i'd want otherwise, i think thats the best advice and thankyou guys so much
Coops,You wrote:"but then have also heard people like Derek Prince who is convinced that he himself could be possesed and not know it..."I have studied some of Prince's materials and this statement just doens't seem like him to me. Are you sure he said that? Did he say "possessed" or "demonized"?
hey todd, i borrowed the cd's from a someone ages ago and have given them back so i can't say for sure. i remember him talking about the difference between possesed and demonized but i can't remember what it was???anyway at the time i seem to have taken it like he said he could have some spirit in him somehow, but that if he did then it was not going to let him know it was there...dont quote me on it because the 4 months or so could have blurred it all in my mind! :-)
out how they got there" "find out their name" "find out how long they have been there" "find out how many are there" etcI would avoid conversing with demons. I know some people who actually talk with demons in people for quite some time getting info before they cast it out, and I believe that is very wrong.Don't give that filth the benefit of talking, simply oust them in Jesus Name and be done with it. They deserve nothing else.
I would get anything by Lester Sumrall. Alien Entities by Lester Sumrall is probably the best book I've read on the subject. He has a few books about demonic power. Everything he has learned if from the Bible and what he had experienced. He has some awesome stories! Do a quick search on Clarita Villaneuva. She was "bitten by devils" She would get bite marks with salava still on the mark. Clarita Villaneuva also would have intercourse with the demon. The reactions of the girl made it evident that was what was going on. This is documented and made the newspaper. God used Lester Sumrall in this incident to free the girl. Do a Google on Clarita Villanueva, Lester Sumrall and you will get some results. I think the book Alient Entities is well worth it.
Coops wrote:"I borrowed the CD'S [Derek Prince's teachings of the Bible on the topic of Deliverance & Demonology, I guess is that may had been the topic or some other of that nature --- this explanation given I have added and is my own of what Coops may had been making reference to -- Jake] from someone ages ago, and have since given them back. So I can't say for sure. I remember him talking about the difference between possessed and demonized but I can't remember what it was?"My Response:Derek Prince has passed on to be with the Lord near two years ago. He finished his course here sometime after he moved back to Israel. In fact, it was in Jerusalem where he had passed on to be with the Lord at quite elderly age. I know Derek's teachings well. For he was my spiritual father --- of course, God is our teacher, the Holy Spirit is our teacher. But God gives us some human teachers too.Derek was a world class Bible scholar, and a very learned man. And he is one of the last of what could be called ministry giants. For most have since passed on now to be with the Lord. However, Derek's ministry wasn't as well known here in the United States as in other parts of the world. Especially in Britian and in Israel and in some other countries of the world.I would rate most of Derek's teachings of the Bible, any where from good to excellent. However, I don't believe he was always right about everything. After all, who can be? And even he use to say, that ---- "Wherever you hear someone speak or preach or teach. Do as you do when you eat fish. Shallow the meat, and spit out the bones."In other words, don't believe every thing you hear just because someone said it. Prayerfully study the Scriptures for yourself to see if it is true, and see if God makes it real to you. But never believe any thing just because somebody said it. And to say, "Oh, this preacher said it or that preacher said it, so it must be true." I hope you are understanding what I am trying to say. Moreover, even admittingly, and to his credit. Derek had admiited to have enrtered into same measure of error in the more early years of his ministry. Just curious as to how many in ministry today, do you think would ever publicly admit that? My guess is few would. But Derek was right with God, and humble man. He helped me much in helping to equip me to better serve God over a period of two years in which I have regularly received his lectures and teachings, and studied his writings.However, in time I came to see error. At least in part I finally did some years later. As for the things he had come to teach about generational curses and on people having demons. Much he taught I see he was right about, but not entirely so.Another error in which I came to see that he made was his more early years of ministry, in which he came to be more focused on the Devil and demons. And that should never be the focus of any biblical Christian ministry, and will always ultimately lead to error or to some measure of error. "If the Devil can't get you to ignore him, he will get you to focus on him." For either will ultimately lead you into error.
Coops, Thanks for clearing that up for me. Yeah, big difference between "possessed" and "demonized." I am confident that he taught that a Christian, such as himself, can not be "possessed" but could be "demonized." That's great that you are interested in this subject. I believe that God will help you understand.
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