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Fellowship with brothers and sisters from different congregations

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TakeUptheCross May 27, 2019

Dear brothers and sisters,

I asked long time ago whether there was something wrong to fellowship with believers from other church (in that case Baptist) than the local church I am part of (Pentecostal). For reference I will post the link below.

That question has been answered so far, but I've been recently thinking more on the following issue and cannot settle it in my mind as to what is right to do.

In the last 6-8 months I've been part of the children ministry of my congregation, leading a group of 9 children. And sometimes I visit also the Baptist church in the town, I live in and am really blessed by the fellowship with some sisters there and by the preaching of the word. I do not desire to "leave" my church (which btw is in a nearby city), but I am also not so sure how healthy is it for me to "split up" between two churches.

The deacons in my church know that I am befriended with some believers from the Baptist church and do not see anything wrong in that. And I shared my worries with one of my friends and she did not had any trouble either with our friendship. Even once when I told her that when I visited the home of a certain family from the church, and also the church as well, I felt such peace - which I cannot quite understand. But in that home reigned so much peace and I was glad to hear how the father gathered his daughters to read with them from the Bible before going to bed. And my friend answered, "You know what, I think it is because we have one Father."...

Am I worrying too much about that or is there any spiritual "danger" in that kind of fellowship? Is it dangerous if I visit them often? Any advice on that?

The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all!

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TakeUptheCross May 27, 2019

Unfortunately I was not able to find my earlier post, will continue to search for it though.

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romanchog May 27, 2019

TakeUptheCross,

Yes, I think you are worrying too much.

There is only ONE church-all those who believe in Christ, His body (Ephesians 1:23, 1 Cor 12:27). Therefore, if these people you are visiting and having fellowship with are believers in Christ, they are part of the body, just like you, fellow heirs in Christ, brothers and sisters by adoption into His body.

Even though they gather in a different building or have different theology in some non-essentials, that does not make them any less part of the church.

I do not see any reason why there should be danger, and those who are closer to the situation (deacons and a friend) also have the same view.

I will pray that God will give you peace in this matter.

Natalie

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TMK May 27, 2019

I am not 100% clear on what the "danger” might be. Baptists preach the word and are generally conservative in spiritual matters.

I would think if the situation was reversed (Baptist hanging out with Pentecostals) some Baptists might be concerned about exposure to "tongue talking” and cartwheels in the aisles.

Flowing the other direction, there might be a concern of being exposed to cessationism.

But mature believers should be able to fellowship with believers in other denominations without freaking out.

Personally I prefer charismatics for worship and Baptists for expository preaching. Wish I could work that out somehow.

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EAGLEFLYING May 28, 2019

Hello
I believe as an intercessor that it is important to fellowship with other denominations.. I have many sisters and brothers from other churches. I am believing for revival.. I believe if we can see the commonalities in all denominations GOD is pleased with this unity.

Psalm 133
A song of ascents. Of David.
1 How good and pleasant it is
when God’s people live together in unity!

2 It is like precious oil poured on the head,
running down on the beard,
running down on Aaron’s beard,
down on the collar of his robe.
3 It is as if the dew of Hermon
were falling on Mount Zion.
For there the Lord bestows his blessing,
even life forevermore.
I pray with other denominations for revival and we focus on JESUS.. I also am in a bible study with other churches.. I aim at pleasing GOD not man.. I believe He will sort out all the doctrinal differences and I believe some of us will be surprised who is in heaven and who is not.. Just some of my thoughts from my journey with CHrist..
in Christ
Sister Frannie

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Gloryandgrace May 28, 2019


Hi Takeupthecross:

You will find after a time of fellowshipping between denominations the friction usually occurs

1. Doctrinal, The Baptists have their own interpretations and if yours are different, problems can arise
2. Practice, The Baptists have their own mode of preaching and worship, if your's differ, their can be friction.
3. Influence, if your character and manner create influences that interfere with leadership or even non-leadership and this causes friction.

My point is, as long as you are a nobody, doing nothing and have little influence all will be well. If you are blessed, anointed, used of God or cause others to seek to emulate you and subscribe to your teachings...most likely you will be shown the door.

This will happen regardless if you are friends with many, enjoy blessed fellowship with others and have no intention of doing anything but blessing that body of believers.

Why? Because protection of their doctrinal position, their modes of worship, their own influence among themselves has always trumped unity of believers.
Proof? See many Baptist preachers attending Pentecostal/assembly of God/Charismatic leadership conventions? Very few would admit to it let along go.

If the leaders have this attitude, the congregations will too. This affects how others from various denominations can function in their midst. Of course the same can be said of Pentecostals hosting a Baptist cross-over.

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Sree May 28, 2019

I do my share in the building of the local body of Christ. God has been more muceriful to give me a role in his Body in my locality. But the more I do my part, the more respect I have for others who are not part of this local body of believers but are also doing some work for the Lord. For example Pastors from other Churches. I cannot work with them because of practical differences, but I can always fellowship with them and encourage them. The practical differences include my belief in not to get paid for God's work. I cannot work with someone who gets a monthly salary for God's work. But I can fellowhsip with them. I have great respect for everyone who does some ministry for the Lord.

Most people who criticize Pastors and other ministers of God are those who themselves do not do anything for the Lord's purpose in their locality. Once a person does his part in his locality, he will definitely have respect for others who have do similar work. He may not agree with their doctrine or method of work but will always have respect and love for them.

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narrowpath May 28, 2019

[I cannot work with someone who gets a monthly salary for God's work. But I can fellowhsip with them. I have great respect for everyone who does some ministry for the Lord.]

Hi Sree,

This statement of yours baffles me. I lead a small church and do not receive a salary either, and it would not come to my mind to ask for it. But where do you get the idea that a paid Christian worker is not worth cooperating with? Do you think they are of a lesser grade?

Not every Christian worker who gets paid is after filthy lucre. It is ok for a Christian worker to forfeit payment in some cases like Paul dealt with the Corinthians, or Nehemia in Jerusalem but I think every congregation should ask themselves the question if it is right to withold due support from their full time workers.

1 Cor 9 13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Paul made clear that he would be entitled to take a salary, but he forfeited his right to do so to set a particular example in Corinth. However he did receive funding from the Thessalonians for himself and others with gratitude, because it gave them opportunity to show gratitude.

Surely, there is abuse and pitfalls in some cases and and Brother Zac mentions these in his sermons, but I do not think it is right to add a law against something what the bible clearly endorses.

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Sree May 28, 2019

I do not believe accepting a gift in return for Christian work is wrong. But I am against receiving a fixed salary. I do not think it is a sin or something, I cannot work in ministry with such people. But I can meet with them, do Bible study with them, etc.

If a modern day paid Pastor approaches Apostle Paul and wants to join his ministry provided if he is paid the same or more, then I am sure Paul would have rejected his offer straight away. Paul does not serve the Lord this way, neither can I.

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TakeUptheCross May 29, 2019

I am not 100% clear on what the "danger” might be. Baptists preach the word and are generally conservative in spiritual matters.

I think more or less Marvin explained it. I am aware that we have doctrinal differencies but I enjoy the fellowship with them. And no, I do not go there to tell them, "you should change this or that".

But mature believers should be able to fellowship with believers in other denominations without freaking out.

Haha, I have to remember this!

@Sree
For me it would not be an issue, whether a minister receives salary or not, but I would like to see the spirit in which he serves. See, Paul had an issue with other people, not because they were receiving money but because they sought their own things:

"For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state. For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's." (Philipians 2:20,21)

So someone may not receive a salary, but "seek his own things" and not the things which are Jesus Christ's - and for me, I would not like to be his co-worker. But if some brother receives a gift / income and seeks the kindgom of God, not fame, money, popularity, pleasing people - then He is a someone with whom I could work.

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TakeUptheCross May 29, 2019

@Marvin

Well, we differ in doctrine for sure (otherwise denominations would not exist). In mode of preaching and worship - not really except when praying together. I like to join in prayer,not just listen.

I am not aware of any bad influence I've made on my friends. But I know what you mean. And I do not go to their meetings in order to become a member or whatever. The brothers have been actually very nice to me, and yea they know that I am Pentecostal :)

Anyways, I'll just pray over the matter and see whither the Lord shall lead. Thank you for your input! If anybody has something to share or advice to give, you're welcome!

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Sree May 29, 2019

An extract from Br Zac Poonen's book called "Full Gospel". I read this recently and thought it will be useful in the discussion we have.

Let us now look at one last thing from Ephesians 3. In verses 18 & 19 we see that we can experience the breadth and length and height and depth of the love of Christ (there are four dimensions there and that itself goes beyond human knowledge!!) - only along with ALL the saints.

We can never grasp the love of Christ all by ourselves. We need the other members of Christ's Body. And further, we need ALL the members of Christ's Body, not just those in our own little group.

That is why our hearts should always be open to ALL believers, even to those who don't agree with us, and even to those whom we would consider a bit extreme. We may not be able to work with all of them and we certainly will not be able to meet all of them on this earth. But our hearts should be open to all of God's children. Our hearts must have room for as many brothers and sisters, as God has children - both barbarian and cultured.

That is why we need to be open to read the writings of ALL godly people - and not just to the writings of our favourite authors.

Let me warn you in advance, that in my lifetime, I have found very, very few believers who have such an open heart. But those are the few who are truly spiritually wealthy. The remainder carry on with their poverty-stricken, sectarian attitudes and live and die as Pharisees, missing out on the wealth that could have been theirs, if they had been humble enough to accept all whom God had accepted.


Link to the whole book here - https://cfcindia.com/books/the-full-gospel

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Gloryandgrace May 29, 2019


Hi Takeupthecross:

Thanks for the response.

I make it a habit of being with other denominations. Regardless of denominational barriers, the word of God has no such barriers. There is no law against love, even though denominational barriers pretend to protect their members from the erosion of 'other teachings' and therefore suffer attrition because of it.

I encourage you to do the same which you are already doing.

On a side note, the qualifications for elders and deacons do not contain "taking no salary" which means if you decide who you will work with and who you wont over against the standard God has set, you may find yourself at odds with Gods working in your own life.

Stay away from holiness standards that arise from the consciences of others but cannot be emulated as a biblical standard.
If I were to say that, just where would I work? Everyone at my job receives a check including myself.
It in fact smells more like a spirit of pride rather than sacrifice. The root is "I am just plain more spiritual than you" and coexisting with this pride is the thought "I believe salary-takers are at root money-grubbers and con-men at heart." Then of course quickly recite some con-man incident and now there is all the evidence one needs. But in fact it's just an ad-hoc argument and cannot be affixed to any leader or non-leader.

Let Jesus tell you who to work with and who to avoid. He sees hearts, we see externals.

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