....discussions, I tell myself it is the last time. Yet here I am again, reading your posts and groaning in my spirit. Oh how I pray for revelation of the Holy Spirit to decend upon each of you about this matter of the Sabbath. It is very difficult to serparate justification and sanctification these days. Preachers and teachers seem to want to homoginize them as they would spirit and flesh. This is confusing and very unfortunate. No one is ever justified by keeping the law. That does not abolish or relieve the saint from keeping God's moral law. Once we are justified by faith in the finished work of the cross, there is a life to be lived. It is God's will that this life be lived holy and pure. Our holiness and our purity of flesh can never be perfected, however our spirit is perfected from the moment of new birth. If this were not so, no man could enter the throne of grace boldly. The flesh must be conquered and made to submit to behavior that fits within the framework of God's moral law. Otherwise, we are not ambassadors of God's kingdom, but kingdoms of our own making. The Sabbath day was made for man. As our brother so well stated, it was made for rest and a sign. It is still a sign today. A sign of communion with God. It is an act of worship, and a blessing of rest from our labors. It was made for us to joy in our God and a sign of His love and blessing made for us. Do you take communion? Why? Is it not a sign to you? A remmemberence? Is not the Sabbath a rememberence also? We remember that we have a new covenant with God and rest from the sacrifices. When do we do that? When we rest from our labors and spend the day in fellowship with God. How one "keeps the Sabbath" can only be defined by the leading of the Holy Spirit, that likely changing from week to week as we grow in faith and the intimacy of our relationship with God deepens. But to say that Jesus nulified the Law is not scriptural in my humble opinion. He fulfilled it's just requirements, so there is no penalty. But He never relieved us from the resposibility of living according to the law. That is why we do not have idols. You don't have any idols, do you? That is why we don't take God's name in vain. You don't do that, do you? That is why we don't lust after our neighbors wife and goods. You dont' do that do you? That is why we don't bare false witness. You don't lie do you? That is why we dont' steal. You dont' steal do you? Why don't you? Because God's law is witnessed in spirit in your hearts. But we as modern day beleivers have been conditioned by catholic dogma that says Sunday is the day of rest. Since we compromised on that, there is now no rest day. Commerce is in full swing in most places in this country each and every day. Since there is no respect for God, why would there be any respect for His law. Paul asked the question, does our liberty give us occasion to follow the lusts of our flesh and live like our flesh would have us do? NO! Does this mean our flesh is perfected? No! And never shall it be. Our flesh is destined for the grave and corruption. But that does not mean that we are to give in to the dictates of our passions and lusts and live like hellions. We are to honor God in all we say and do. This includes keeping His moral law. Ceremonial law was clearly abolished by the once and for all sacrafice of the Lamb of God. But the moral law is not set aside, nor shall it ever be. For the moral law is revelation of the nature of God and His holiness. We cannot say we walk with God and live like the heathen. we are liars if we do. While I'm on the soap box here, I might just as well say that the liberty that some folks take in dress when they come to church is a gross dishonor to our God and I have to question the validity of your claim to be His. How dare we show up in church immodestly dressed or worse yet, wearing T shirts that advertise products that are involved with sinful living. ICABOD! It is time for reform saints. If we are going to turn around, should we not endeavor to raise the bar all the way back up to the top? Is obeying our God worth anything at all to you? It is to me. I'm blessed when I walk in obedience. I'm loved by my heavenly Father when I walk in obedience. Jesus manifests Himself to me when I walk in obedience. I want to walk in obedience not to justify me, but to honor my God. How dare the catholic church or anyone else change God's law at their own choosing? I'll stop with this. I do think that we should go back to Sabbath keeping. I have to work on Saturday, and this continues to grieve my soul. But I am a care provider for seniors and care is required 7 days a week. It's like what Jesus was talking about when he mentioned someone's donkey being in a ditch or hole. Yes you go get it out. But keep the spirit of the law. I can't define, nor do I believe any one has the right to define how you or I keep the spirit of the sabbath. That is between you and God. Surely how you keep it will be easily discerned by others in that we are His and honor and obey His law through some manifestation of rest and worship. If you think you have the privilege of being "lawless", you had better rethink your place with God. God's will is within His law. If you are not in His will to "do" it, you are not His and will not enter in. "Do" in spirit, not in perfection of flesh. If anyone ever perfected flesh, the message of unmerited favor would die forever. But we are not relieved from obedience to any of God's moral law. We surely are not at liberty to make exceptions about one of them either, or to set it aside. The sabbath was changed by the catholics. While the great reformers (most catholic priests) identified many schisms and harlotries within the catholic church, they did not renouce the church and leave the priest hood. Nor did they renounce Sunday as the day of rest. Some were excommunicated. But that was not their choice. Let me remind you that Jonathon was in covenant with David. But Jonathon did not leave his father's side and died with his father. Hello? So there is still plenty of room for reform today, in your life and mine. But if the Holy Spirit is not convicting your heart to change, then you likely won't. Yeilding to Him in obedience is the only obedience that God recognizes, not in letter, but in spirit. For the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. That life is one that hungers after obedience and righteousness, even though we often fall short. The desire is always there. Have you no desire to love God completely? If so, why is it so difficult for you to not desire to honor Him in the rest He made for you. Yes Jesus is our rest, rest from sacrifice. But Jesus is not our rest from our labors. Otherwise we would never get tired. I just finished working 12 hour days for 9 days and 12 days in a row. I can tell you I was worn out. I needed rest. I could not just proclaim that Jesus was my rest. I needed to rest. I cannot proclaim that Jesus is my righteousness and continue to steal. I also need to set my heart on not stealing. Come on folks. Compromise is so seductive. It's time we give up the seduction and say to hell will tradition, pleasure, and comfort. I want to obey my God!In Him,Lahry