Men that preferred the KJV

I had never known until a couple minutes ago that Tozer was a KJV advocate. Here is a list of men that I know preferred the King James, but please add as I would love the reference. Only add names that were active after the RSV came out in 1881(in other words they chose KJV over modern version(s):Charles SpurgeonGeorge MuellerDL MoodyWilliam BoothSam JonesBilly SundayLeonard RavenhillAW Tozer John R RiceLE MaxwellKent HovindRay Comfort

Ray Comfort is unequally yoked with the Totally Blasphemous Netowrk. I think he should read the following passage in his KJV and do what the Word of God commands. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2 Corinthians 6:14-16, KJV Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? 16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, "I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. - 2 Corinthians 6:14-16, NASB In His Grip, Des

Only add names that were active after the RSV came out in 1881(in other words they chose KJV over modern version(s):This is a bit confusing. It is the RV which came out in 1881 and was followed by the American Revisers' ASV. The RSV came out in c1948. Spurgeon was quite impressed with the OT of the RV, but was concerned that the excellence of the OT would blind people to the deficiencies of the RV NT. Spurgeon preached a sermon in which he expressly noted a difference between the RV and the KJV, plainly commending the former. In that sermon, titled, “And We Are”: A Jewel from the Revised Version, based on I Jn. 3:1, he said: Dear friends, the most of my text will be found in our Old Version; but for once I shall ask you to look elsewhere for a part of it. A genuine fragment of inspired Scripture has been dropped by our older translators, and it is too precious to be lost....The half lost portion of our text is restored to us in the Revised Version. Never did a translation of the New Testament fail more completely than this Revised Version has done as book for general reading: but as an assistant to the student it deserves honorable mention, despite its faults. It exhibits here and there special beauties, and has, no doubt, in certain places brought into notice words of sacred Scripture which had fallen out: we have a notable instance in my present text [to the KJV, the RV adds the words to I John 3:1, “And such we are”]. The word “such” is not in the original. We therefore leave it out, and we get the words--AND WE ARE. There are only two words in the Greek--“and we are.” That the addition is correct I have not the slightest doubt. Those authorities upon which we depend--those manuscripts which are best worthy of notice--have these words; and they are to be found in the Vulgate, the Alexandrian, and several other versions. They ought never to have dropped out. In the judgment of the most learned, and those best to be relied on, these are veritable words of inspiration. So far as doctrine is concerned, it does not matter whether they are or are not in the original text, because we get the same words farther on.RB's underliningsthe words 'and we are' are present in the Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrian and the Ephraemi palimpsest. :-? :-? I am a KJV man myself but the list of Bible scholars and preachers who have preferred the RV/ASV is also quite impressive. It would includeG Campbell MorganGraham ScroggieG H LangThomas NewberryC T StuddArthur WallaceStephen Kuang

Des,Here is what Paul said on the subject in Phil 1:[18] What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.Ray Comfort has been rejected for who he has been "yoked" with. So has: Hovind, Rice, Spurgeon, Wesley, etc. Hovind is not allowed in some churches because he has preached in churches that are "too liberal." Rice preached with every kind and now those who are following in his footsteps don't dare mention that. Spurgeon had cooperative revival campaigns with Anglican bishops. Ravenhill had revivals in a tent, and he didn't ask where they came from.I agree that TBN is basically garbage, and Comfort preaches against the carnal church in his Hell's Best Kept Secret series. You will notice that Comfort's show is aimed at the lukewarm church. Paul ran with the Corinthians who were obviously the most carnal church of that day, and corrected them at the same time. Remember that the furtherance of the gospel is the main thing.[12]But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel.Article by Hovind on the subject:http://www.drdino.com/seeArticle.php?artid=42Sermon by John R Rice on the subject:https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=20

Des, Jesus preached in the synagogues of the Pharisees. Undoubtedly, this required some sort of personal dealings with those in charge of the synagogue, yet without a doubt, they were great hypocrites, and false believers. Ray Comfort being on TBN doesn't make him false.

phil,I respect your post and your opinion. Yes, many of these KJ user's quoted other versions during sermons. I have many versions right here in my bookcase. I'll stick with the KJ until someone shows me better, but if you are a soulwinner I could really care less, as long as you are right on the essentials of the faith. I liked what Ravenhill said when he said that his stand was that if you have a way to get closer to God, then he wants to know about it. Likewise, I'm open to the other versions if someone can prove another is better. If someone knows something I've never heard, I want to know about it. So far the King James wins, for me, every time.You are, no doubt, learned and studied, but I just disagree with you on what I would consider a non-essential doctrine. However I'm not quiet about my choice of version, as neither are you. It just seems that all the preachers that I like, I end up finding out later that they were KJ advocates.I'm searching for truth regardless of where it leads.

It should be noted that AW Tozer was a version junkie (according to his bio). He collected as many different versions as possible, and read them as well.

letsgetbusyYou are, no doubt, learned and studied, but I just disagree with you on what I would consider a non-essential doctrine.I think I am missing something here. Is the non-essential doctrine to do with the choice of versions?

Ray Comfort is PAYING the Totally Blasphemous Network for his airtime. This is being unequally yoked with unbelievers. I do not see anywhere in the Bible Jesus paying money to anyone to preach the Gospel.

"Is the non-essential doctrine to do with the choice of versions?"Yes. A version won't help us at the Judgement Seat, but what we did with what we understood of it.

Ray Comfort is PAYING the Totally Blasphemous Network for his airtime. This is being unequally yoked with unbelievers. I do not see anywhere in the Bible Jesus paying money to anyone to preach the Gospel.Well, this is no different than what he does on the streets. He often hands out money to anybody and everybody who will take it as a means of his evangelism, often to demonstrate things such as pride and the like (for people out of pride often won't take the money). This often gathers great crowds so he can present the gospel. What's amazing is how hypocritical this makes TBN, taking money, and allowing Ray Comfort to teach doctrines often radically different than those that appear on that network. Him giving them money exposes their hypocricy, much as giving money out on the streets exposes pride. Brilliant!So, Praise The Lord! On a more stern note, how in the world is it that you could ever oppose the good work that Ray Comfort is doing? You are being quite unmerciful... the gospel is being preached, and others through his ministry are being equipped in the work of the Lord... therefore rejoice!!! Because of what he is doing, souls are being snatched from hell. If things worked out your way, thousands would be going to hell. For that matter, how many people have you told about Jesus lately? How many souls have you seen saved through your ministry? How many have felt called to ministry to snatch souls from the fires of hell because of your ministry?Ray Comfort is in no way having a right hand of fellowship or endorsing what goes on at TBN by simply paying them for air-time. For that matter, Jesus payed all sorts of taxes and tithed, supporting the Pharisees and Sadducees who taught doctrines that denied who He was directly! I'd urge you to please stop such protests as you are making.

So it would then be un-Biblical to give money to any institution that is not conservative, orthodox, born-again Christians. Well that would cut out about 99% of the businesses operating today.While TBN is a mess, I think it is safe to say that there are people that work there that want others to get saved. Here's some John R Rice quotes from sermon, "Paul Rejoices Over Enemies":"James and John were out one day and saw some fellows casting out devils. . . . They came back and said, 'Jesus, we're true fundamentalists, we're not pseudo - fundamentalists . . . no sir, we're the true kind. We saw people casting out devils and we told them to cut it out!' 'If you're not following us, you can't do it.' And Jesus said, 'Don't tell them that. That's not right.' He said, 'If they're not against us, they're for us.'"I'm saying it's so easy for us to get that way about it. We get so busy separating from good Christians we never mind about the devil's crowd. . . . no time to call old sinners to repentance and get drunkards and harlots and infidels saved. We're busy 'defending the faith,' you know.""A Christian ought not to be suspicious of everybody. A Christian ought not to say, 'I'm a good fundamentalist! I'm trying to block the ministry of Jerry Falwell. If I can get him off the air and make him stop preaching I'd be a real fundamentalist.' No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't even be a good Christian."

TBN is not called the Totally Blasphemous Network stop slandering them. Ray Comfort is on no network called the Totally Blasphemous Network. Where in Scriptures does it call for that type of slander? There are plenty of good things said on it. It is up to the discerning believer to be in the Word to see where things don't match up. You don't have to go calling names. You are a slanderer and making judgments about the heart that only God can make.What if you are wrong? What if the being yoked with unbelievers doesn't mean EXACTLY what you take it to mean? What if your ministry was really successful and someone was slandering you for being unequally yolked with unbelievers by buying socks made by heathens? Why are you giving them your money? Shouldn't you buy "Christian" Socks?Phillipians 15 Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife, but some also from good will; 16 the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel; 17 the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice. Yes, and I will rejoice, Pray for those who you feel are misguided, contact them personally and convince them, don't slander them. These discussions are of no benefit to TBN or Ray Comfort. We need to be lovingly concerned for these people, and praying for their ministries, not pridefully condemning them. I rejoice along with Paul wherever the Gospel is preached because the Gospel is the power of God. God uses sinful man to accomplish His purposes.The power is in the TRUTH, and in PRAYER, not in the Lies. The TRUTH of God will overcome the lies of Satan. If there are lies, they will not thwart God's truth.Stop focusing on the powerless lies and start focusing on the powerful Truth of God.What do you think of my take on this?If I am wrong I would like know.ThanksPeace and God Bless!

I agree with Paul, too. I'm glad when anyone is preaching the gospel.

KingJimmy, You wrote:"What's amazing is how hypocritical this makes TBN, taking money, and allowing Ray Comfort to teach doctrines often radically different than those that appear on that network."Or it shows true humility of mind...You also wrote:"On a more stern note, how in the world is it that you could ever oppose the good work that Ray Comfort is doing? You are being quite unmerciful... the gospel is being preached, and others through his ministry are being equipped in the work of the Lord... therefore rejoice!!! Because of what he is doing, souls are being snatched from hell."Just replace the words "Ray Comfort" with "TBN", "his" with "this", and "he is" with "they are," and see what happens. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like what you said is hypocritical, doesn't it?

"What's amazing is how hypocritical this makes TBN, taking money, and allowing Ray Comfort to teach doctrines often radically different than those that appear on that network."Or it shows true humility of mind...Yes, indeed that is possible. Just replace the words "Ray Comfort" with "TBN", "his" with "this", and "he is" with "they are," and see what happens. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like what you said is hypocritical, doesn't it?I'm not sure at all what you meant here, could you please clarify?

Ray Comfort is PAYING the Totally Blasphemous Network for his airtime. This is being unequally yoked with unbelievers. I do not see anywhere in the Bible Jesus paying money to anyone to preach the GospelActually, Ray only pays for his equipment to film it. TBN gives him the airtime for free, and they live off of the donations that come in.How do I know this? Because TBN cancelled his show several times in a row, and he couldn't do anything about it because he wasn't paying. Why did they cancel it? Because he had his own 1-800 number rolling across the screen during the whole show, which is against the rules, because they want the donations coming to the network, and not him. How do I know this? Because this was a big issue on the Great News Network message board, which has restricted access, and one of his close partners gave us an in depth explanation of it all. "Judge nothing before its time, when God will make known the thoughts and intents of the heart."

Ray Comfort is PAYING the Totally Blasphemous Network for his airtime. This is being unequally yoked with unbelievers. I do not see anywhere in the Bible Jesus paying money to anyone to preach the GospelEven if he was paying, what a better audience to preach his message? I know many, including myself, who came out of the Word of Faith teaching solely because of Hell's Best Kept Secret. I have also had the blessing of training several new evangelists/street preachers who first heard of "real witnessing" by watching Way of the Master on TBN. Two of them, leads from TBN, have actually grown up and are leading evangelism teams, teaching churches, and movitavting others now."Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement."

KJ,You wrote:"I'm not sure at all what you meant here, could you please clarify?"You don't know what I mean about replacing the words or what I mean about how it seems hypocritical after you've replaced them? I will try and clarify once I understand where you're at.