Calling out the false prophets

This is an important video of teaching and exposing false prophets in the church. I suggest that if someone disagrees with what is shown here that maybe cognitive dissonance may be at play.
What do you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c842RBhCuk&ab_channel=FightingfortheFaith

There are those who constantly criticise others and call out names, as if God has given them the mandate to do so. They elevate themselves by trashing others. Though they are by and large technically right in their verdict, they totally miss the point and operate largely in the flesh.

The apostles rarely called out false apostles, prophets, teachers. They only did it in case they dealt with an issue under their direct care.

Ever wondered why Paul never named the false apostles in Corinth although they tried to undo everything he founded?

False apostles, prophets, teachers are God's provision for those who are unwilling to repent and humble themselves.
They are God's garbage trucks and fulfil an important function in God's economy. Paul was encountered rejection rejected by many saints in Corinth because they were carnal and poisoned by the superapostles. Yet he patiently waited until the majority of the church in Corinth embraced his godly doctrine through his lettes and repented. Thus the superapostles had to leave, because they could no longer feed on the flesh of their once dilluded followers. That was a much more sustainable victory than just calling out the phoneys.

It is better to learn to fear God and shun evil than to obtain a mere technical knowledge of good and evil. The fascination of evil will get you in the end, Adam!

False Christian workers fulfil a similar function as the devil and evil men who harrass the church. They are God's agent to our advantage. To overcome a trial, a temptation and to hold out in faith and withstand false teaching works for the good of the overcomers and to the detriment of those who do not keep their faith.

God always works to separate the good from the evil in us.

For the same reason, preachers like Zac Poonen, Keith Daniel, Paul Washer, David Wilkerson etc. never do that. They call out false doctrine and sin, but never the person concerned at least as long as they are alive. There are profound reasons behind that:
Firstly, any measurement you apply to others will be applied to you. These are the words of Jesus.

Secondly, it is far better to establish saints in the faith than calling out false prophets. True sheep will not follow the false shepherd, true disciples will not follow the false teacher, Jesus said.

It is far better to fight the good fight and grow in grace and truth than to be told who is false and never learn to discern for yourself.

Did you ever notice that some of these "ministries" seem to almost gleefully feed on the errors and shortcomings of others rather than taking the pains to establish others in faith? They have an opinion about everything and everyone and are beyond reproach. Even the tone of their voice gives it away. There is one particular guy on air who always talks in a supercharged voice, always mocking someone and something. What would they do if they did not find any trash to feed on?

I feel tempted to call out some of those "ministries" but I will refrain from that.

When they hire a new person at the Federal Reserve's counterfeiting department, they don't show them all the different counterfeit bills there are out there. No. Instead, they have the person carefully examine and memorize details of genuine currency so that when they see a counterfeit they will recognize it.

Justin Peters whole ministry is built on his watching and/or listening to thousands of hours of Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc. messages and documenting the errors. And he presents his findings to Grace Community Church pastored by John MacArthur. He is preaching to the choir. I don't think anyone in that church would be a follower of Kenneth Copeland or Benny Hinn regardless of how much of their preaching they heard. I honestly think they go on and on about what's wrong with Charismatics because they can only preach on TULIP for about a month tops.

And some of these discernment ministry folks will label a person as a heretic if they happen to be on stage with a known heretic and don't immediately rebuke and call out that other person for being a heretic!

I actually agree with much of the criticism lain at the doorstep of popular (TV propagated) Charismatic movement. But leaving the loony bin to join the dead formalism of a Grace Community type church is like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Just a few line - what if Trump gets a second term, it seems to me watching what is going on there are signs of shenanigans in the US elections.

A brother a long time ago committed a fault, whether in word or deed I do not know. A council was called to which one close to God was invited, but he refused to go to it. Then others were sent to him, "Come, for everyone is waiting for you.’ So he got up and went. He took a leaking jug, filled it with water and carried it with him. The others came out to meet him and said to him, ‘What is this?’ The old man said to them, ‘My sins run out behind me, and I do not see them, and today I am coming to judge the errors of another.’ When they heard that they said no more to the brother, but forgave him."

There is much going on within the spiritual realm! Our fight is not with "flesh and blood". Let us pray, "Father have mercy on me a sinner, daily!" Seeking to lift others up to His throne room in prayer. Instead of casting judgments by the ways of the flesh, into the open air around us.

"Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God." Ephesians 6:10-20

Some of these discernment minstries act like video game players. They blast the baddies with mockery and scorn and score more points and thereby gain power and size.

There are some well known discernment ministries that now exchange crossfire and insults in an attempt to cancel each other out. Unsaved boxers in the world championship league show more fairness and respect to each other.

But hand on heart: If you see a story about a fallen preacher's dirty secrets and an exhortation about prayer, which text would read first?

dear me ... calm down.

I'm wondering again, as I have in the past, if many of these "prophets" really hold the OFFICE of prophet or are just people who have advanced to a degree in their ability to receive words of knowledge and wisdom. Does being gifted in this way necessarily mean one holds the office of prophet?

I'm sorry for my post asking for calmness.. I felt that more posts were coming in against the original poster and I was concerned it was getting difficult for him. I didn't mean to stop the conversation entirely

I did calm down, enough rant. I have nothing against the OP, on the contrary, this is a healthy discussion. As per my own word I kept my lips tight not to mention any of the discernment ministries concerned.

I used to listen a lot to various discernment ministries myself, but it left my soul dry and empty.

OKay, sorry, I misunderstood where you were coming from.

The video posted in this OP at the header is not Justin Peters. TrueWitness said, "Justin Peters whole ministry is built on his watching and/or listening to thousands of hours of Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, etc. messages and documenting the errors. And he presents his findings to Grace Community Church pastored by John MacArthur.”

The video posted by DEADn is Chris Rosborough who is the so called captain of Pirate Christian Radio, Host of the Fighting for the Faith radio program and Pastor of Kongsvinger Lutheran Church.

The video is from the Fighting for the Faith radio program.

In contrast the moderator then comes onto the OP and quotes a Greek Orthodox priest (Ioannis Moraitis) according to some words that cannot be challenged and then says "to jab fun at what is false by mocking with faces and funny comments shows zero mercy for the souls of men who are teaching what is wrong.”

Perhaps the real Justin Peters would be better served if at least his face is comprehended as not mocking and his manner is not having some fun?

Justine Peters

https://www.gracechurch.org/sermons/16716

Hi All,
I would like to know the end times views of fighting for the faith and what leaning or bias they have.
Whether President Trump gets a second term or not is not effected by false prophets .Some false prophets may prophesy that he will get a second term and some true prophets may prophesy that he will get a second term(p.s these are true if he does get elected 2020 that is).The false prophets dont become true prophets by guessing the election result.
It is still very unclear who will be the next president of the US.
If President Trump slid in on a landslide God would not get the glory so we have to wait and see whether God is having a Lazarus moment when he left the body in the grave 4days before he showed his power.False prophets have more problems than prophesying falsely ,its all the other rubbish that comes with the falsehood.
If I flip the coin we have people who say they believe in prophesy and words of knowledge and wisdom and in reality are as dry as the sahara desert ,this is also a huge problem.
A couple of other points is that alot of false prophets are Christian and we will see them in heaven so be careful how you deal with them.
Also from my earthly eyes I am sure this election was not free and fair and that their was corruption on a scale never seen in modern times ,staff

Why is it so hard to call out false prophets for who and what they are? Do you really want to put your face in the sand and say such things as we should not name names but only exhort to watch out for false prophets when some refuse to recognize them for what they are because they like their teaching?

Many so called prophets claimed Trump would win reelection hands down. To say we should not give righteous judgment is hypocrisy and dishonors loving your neighbor and exhortating one another in the faith. It even slaps the face of Jesus and Paul who also warned us of the false teacher and prophets who would lead us stray.

My previous video I shared it was brought about about discernment ministries and how they like to point fingers? I think the opinion should rather be for those who think so that they don't want to enter into discernment but would rather have itching ears.

Here is a more 'neutral' video with a host of false prophets doing their thing with the Trump re election campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gIAtDxyTaM&ab_channel=HolyKoolaid

I end my posting with exhortations from the scriptures that all of us should do well to heed and grow in the Holy Spirit and not be fooled or deceived

Romans 16:17-18
17 Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. 18 For those who are such do not serve our Lord [d]Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction [a]does not slumber.

1 Timothy 1:19 Paul names names
20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Only one 'prophet' repent and then took down his video and that was Lance Wallnau.

"A couple of other points is that alot of false prophets are Christian and we will see them in heaven so be careful how you deal with them."

A false prophet is not a Christian. Can show demonstrate, from the bible, where a false prophet will be seen in heaven? Did God really mean that even if a Christian prophesies falsely they still go to heaven? OT says they are to be stoned......you are allowing your emotions to lead you into this arena and not bible.

hi Deadn
False Prophesy can come from a Christian and a non Christian.
False Prophesy from a Christian is a sin but heaven will be full of sinners who have sinned at some stage but are still saved .We do not go to heaven because we did the right things ie Prophesy correctly rather than falsely we go to heaven because Jesus died for our sins and we accepted that unwarranted gift.False prophesy if you are a Christian is just another sin to add to the list.
Stoning is clearly not for the New Testament however their are clearly consequences for a Christian if he is prophesying falsely .We have a very limited view from the bible who is in heaven currently and I dont think anyone is mentioned by name or by thier gifting other than the 24 elders,Enoch,Elijah ,the thief on the cross and the old testament saints that were in Abrahams bosum .Neither do we have a list of people who were excluded because they prophesied falsely .The only reason we will see anyone in heaven is for the obvious reasons they are saved from their sins ,urs staff

"A false prophet is not a Christian. Can show demonstrate, from the bible, where a false prophet will be seen in heaven? Did God really mean that even if a Christian prophesies falsely they still go to heaven? OT says they are to be stoned......you are allowing your emotions to lead you into this arena and not bible."

Hi Deadn
I heard some people prophesy that Trump would win by a landslide and I suppose that qualifies as hands down and its not clear at all that has not happened.

"Many so called prophets claimed Trump would win reelection hands down."

I have heard both what I would consider false prophets and what I would consider true prophets both say Trump would win.
So its wait and see time.If the Trump wins it doesnt make the false prophets true though ,no way,staff

Staff

It is obvious to me that you are not on stable ground when it comes to this issue or the prophetic. I am concerned for you as a result. Maybe you are looking for the best in people? I am that way but I also realize that taking God's Name in vain is a serious offense and we would do well to heed that call. In reference to the false prophetic voice here is another scripture, from the NT, we should not dismiss otherwise we would be foolish. Cling to orthodoxy and not foolish wisdom

Matthew 7:22
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?

Staff-

If one year from now Biden is still president, what will you say about these prophets?

Did God send a lying spirit as he has been known to do? If so, why?

Or were these "prophets” simply expressing wishful thinking- like many of us do? Of course the problem is that they say "God told me...”.

Or perhaps they were simply using the old WOF "name it and claim it” chestnut; ie speaking something into existence.

ADD: This is not to say that I have lost all hope and I do indulge in wishful thinking on this issue. My prayer has been that if fraud has been committed that the Spirit of Truth will not tolerate it being hidden and that a miracle will occur. But we have to face the fact that it might not.