Believing the Prophets about the USA election.. 2 chron 20...

Bro and sisters.
There are many opinions about this current election in the USA. Im not into opinions or secular news.. I am believing that the TRUE prophetic words have said. I believe Prophet Kim Clement said President Trump will serve two terms.
You believe what you will. I will believe the Prophetic voices that are speaking.. Yes Pls test the spirits as the WORD teaches.
2 CHRONICLES 20:20
20 And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.

"Elections as the Red Sea of Control"

Johnny Enlow, Nashville, TN

The enormity of what is presently being exposed with the massive and multi-pronged voter fraud cannot be overstated. The freedom of the world is at stake. Elections around the world are ALL manipulated, and while the idea of a "Democracy" is a great tease, it presently doesn't really exist.

"Red Sea" Control

I believe this is the one interruptive chance in history to bring down what is the equivalent of the Red Sea in the book of Exodus. How so? We remember the story of Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt””after Pharaoh "relented" and granted them freedom. But then, suddenly, the Red Sea was before them and Pharaoh was chasing them down and they knew they couldn't get past that overarching control mechanism.

Pharaoh had said, "Yes, you are free to go worship your God," and so the Israelites could move COMPARED to the previous level of bondage, but Pharaoh knew he had another control mechanism that will still hem them in: "Deep State" control. This is where we are today.

We, and all "free" nations, need to be led through the Red Sea of orchestrated elections and thus orchestrated control. We have known and focused on financial fraud/corruption on the pre-election side of things, but the REAL corruption is in the vote stealing and subsequent election manipulation. He/she who counts and certifies elections determines who runs the nations. It is a Red Sea of control. (Photo via Pxhere)

Grueling Exposure

The reason this exposure process today must be grueling, thorough, exhaustive, and complete is because it goes way beyond simply this election. The control of "Pharaoh" through his "chariots" and through his "Red Sea" (perhaps also "Red C" as in CCP) must be broken once and for all””after multiple generations of control. The whole world is now watching and it is important they all see it happen. It is NO coincidence that a primary software of election control is called DOMINION. It is all about controlling the people while making them believe that THEY have the power to choose leaders. "Get out and vote" campaigns have been a relative charade in the light of the whole real picture. It has mainly all been a farce. Smoke and mirrors. Fake. Fraud.

But That All Changes Now...

To diagnose the "giants" in the land, while not seeing God at work, only leads to immense futility. This is where I suddenly shift and tell you prophetically that this Red Sea of control is coming down now! The same Red Sea that did the controlling will now drown the very manipulators who have used it. Their own "chariots" are about to be bogged down in the very mud they have created, rendering them inoperable and accelerating their destruction. They will "hang by their own noose." (Photo via Pixabay)

Repentance is always an option until judgment has come””but it is coming now. The first red tsunami will be seen by them as they get absolutely avalanched by a massive wave of roaring justice. God has raised Trump as a modern-day Moses to lead this nation and, by extension, the nations of the world out of multi-generational oppression.

Though even a good man-initiative could fail, this God-initiative will not fail. He who begins a good work””finishes it. Our God reigns! The refuge of lies will be devastated at a global level. The new era will not be one of next-level control, but it will be one of next-level freedom. HOLD THE LINE. KEEP THE FAITH. DO NOT TAKE ONE STEP BACK. GOD WINS. HIS PLAN WINS.

hi Eagleflying,
Here's what I noticed or observed during this election cycle
Point 1
1.Alot of people prophesied Trump to win(we still dont know the outcome)
2.Some of these people were way out there on the 0 to crazy scale
3.Others were not,they were level headed and humble
My conclusion
You can have true and false prophets proclaiming the same thing but it doesnt make the false prophets true.

Point 2
1. Alot of prophets who said that Trump would win are backing down in two legalistic ways
A-They are saying God didnt say that he would win in 2020 but that he would have two terms ,fobbing it off til 2024 when what they said will be forgotten saying Trump will win then
b-The other escape route seems to be "I was prophesying the will of God" and "the church didnt pray it in"

Point 3
The other prophets who still believe Trump will win are sticking to their guns and not making excuses and still believe that Trump will win.

Point 4
I observed that most of the people who are "calling out false prophets" are themselves claiming to believe in prophesy and words of wisdom but are as dry spirtually as the Sahara desert and want everyone else to be too

Point 5
This election and 2016 elections are not normal elections.
God is clearly on the side of one and not on the side of the other who ever wins.This election is completely corrupt with voter fraud ,voter suppression and criminality on a scale never even thought could happen.

Point 6
This is a hugely significant year in American spiritual history with the pilgrims arriving 400yrs ago

My own view
If I were with the Israelites just arriving at the red sea and the Egyptian Army was on my tail ,how would I feel?
I would be looking at impossiblity of the situation we are in.Their is nothing I can do to get out of the situation ,I am helpless except for God.
And thats the point isnt it,If this situation is to be turned around only God will get the glory .The parting of the red sea was such a triump for God that we are still talking about thousands of years later.

Do I have any insight spiritually into it?
I had a brief dream from the Lord which told me that "the demorcrats would claim victory first" and I saw that if Trump stepped outside the door of the whitehouse that they would try to arrest him.
My dream doesnt resolve the question though.

So I am praying that God seperates the waters once again and for right to prevail so that God can get the glory and 75million to 80 million people who voted for the right result will bow down and give glory to him ,
urs staff

My prayer for America is:

1. Lord, forgive us still for our idolatries. We never seem to learn. We still cling to this world. I still cling to it. One idol is the belief in democracy. Forgive me (us) for venerating it apart from the context of mutual submission and unity in Christ -- a context that only happens in the church.

2. If You're waking up Your people or if You are finally bringing to fruition our foolish requests for peace with the rulers of this age and order of this age, please show us mercy once more. Please withhold from us our own requests for things that we ought not to ask and things we are too dull to avoid. Please put in our hearts, minds and spirits a new and inescapable awareness of Your work in this time. Make us understand, however severely You must, but to understand while there is still space to repent, love and obey You -- make us understand Your Word as you are bringing it to bear in this generation as in no other before us.

3. Remind us, Lord, in the deepest recesses of our hearts, in those place within us that want to respond to indignities with swift correction and justice --- remind us to hold still because we don't know truly the scope and courses of those evil powers that leverage the easily roiled Adams of this world against our own peace. Lord, as the enemy arrays against us, and as we are prone to respond in kind with the weapons of carnal warfare, put a word into the mouths of Your shepherds and the ears of Your sheep to follow You through the truly green pastures and through the valley of the shadow of death to the table You have prepared for us where we will not have to fight that enemy, but will sit with one another and take the Body and the Blood and in Your Spirit while You prepare that enemy for destruction that only You can deliver.

Help us love one another, Lord.

Hi Dolfan,
This thread is not about prayers for America ,its about Eagles comments on the "believeing the prophetic"
So it would be better in my opinion if we stuck to what the thread is about which is "believing the prophetic" and all that surrounds that,its not about repentance or idolatory or Love ,yours staff

Hi Caleb4life,
I cant help what sits well in your spirit or not well,thats not in my remit.I am telling it the way I see it .His reply had nothing at all to do with the US election.
Also am I not a brother or sister also?
You are being hyper sensitive in my opinion,staff

hi Thank you brother Caleb,I am more than happy to hear Tims opinions on anything he wishes to speak about.staff

Hey, everyone, no worries. I suppose I could've been clearer. My prayer is in response to these prophetic statements. I didn't really think it was necessary to label that, but that's all good.

To be straightforward, I'm not concerned with these prophetic statements at all. As I personally and individually understand the New Testament gift of prophecy, it should happen within the local church context for the local church and to be tested within the local church. I won't judge anyone who EagleFlying quoted because I'm not in the local church where those statements were uttered. If they weren't given in that context, then I default to what I understand from Scripture and will disregard them. I don't condemn them; I just don't consider them.

Having said that, I pray. And my prayer is what I shared from my heart. So, no offense taken. All is well.

This is how the Lord dealt with me: I woke up Wed night / early Thursday morning (3am Nov 5th) and turned on YouTube to view what the prophets were saying! I watched Mario Murillo then Terry Cook on Sid Roth and then I went back to sleep still not knowing anything because their dreams didn't comfort my heart.

I woke up a couple of hours later and was praying and the Lord spoke clearly to my spirit, "Why do you seek prophets to eat their crumbs when you can eat the Bread of Life, ask Me and I will withhold no good thing from you."

I believe in prophets today but if these prophets have had dreams and visions, maybe they weren't for the world but for themselves and their secret prayer closet.

Every one who prophesies isn't a prophet. One is an office and one is a gift. Jesus said we'll know them by their fruit. I didn't know Kim Clement personally so I don't know any of his fruit, so right or wrong, I don't eat it.

Every single child of God has the ability to hear from heaven, but do we? Do we spend the time it takes to hear from the Throne of God? And can God trust us with the answer? Will we jump on FB or YouTube and tell everybody, "Look what God told me!" What He told us in confidence?

In March, the Lord told me "I'm revealing the hearts of men." And I don't think He's stopping anytime soon.

God bless us all through a time such as this,
Lisa

Amen Lisa.

Hi Just a few points ,
Without Prophesy we dont have edification and exhortation and comfort that comes out of Prophesy.So even though we can hear from God directly as Lisa said ,we can also hear from God through others which God himself put in place with the gift of Prophesy.Some of the people I saw on youtube prayerfully put what they were hearing up for people to hear and were diligent when to talk and when not to talk.

"But everyone who prophesies speaks unto men to edification, and exhortation and comfort” (1 Corinthians 14:3)

A problem with a wing of the Pentecostal Church is the showmanship and the self proclaimation as Prophets.John the Baptist was one of the greatest Prophets but he did not even call himself one,he just did the business.

I have watched Kim Clement and his words are not as clear as everyone says and he is well into the showmanship bracket but he did get some of it right.As for the two terms of Trump alot of the youtubers seem to be using this as away out ,hinting he will get his second term in 2024.
Then their are some who rightly are sticking to their guns as this is not over yet.
We are at the Red Sea and are waiting and watching to see God open up the waters for us,staff

P.s
I put this link here as this woman got Brexit right when it looked like all was lost and the death of a supreme court Judge in 2020.
https://www.hiskingdomprophecy.com/america-and-the-trump-biden-poker-game/

Hi Just an update which to the best of my knowledge is correct but i will check further and share the link then.

As of YESTERDAY Supreme court judges have had their duties or responsibilities changed by who nobody seems to know.The duties include responsiblity of circuit courts.Each of these circuit courts have states attached to them .

The upshot is this
Judge Kavanaugh is over Michigan
Judge Thomas is over Georgia
Judge Barret is over Wisconsin
Judge Alito is over Pennsylvania

All of these judges are conservative strict constitutional judges and if a court case comes before them from these states all of which are accused of voter fraud then it will be decided by a conservative judge.
This is only as of yesterday if it was before yesterday these states may not have been in the hands of conservative judges.This change all stems from the death of Justice Ruth Bader Gainsburg,urs staff
Alleliua

Hi all it comes from this part of the US code

28 U.S. Code §”¯42. Allotment of Supreme Court justices to circuits

The Chief Justice of the United States and the associate justices of the Supreme Court shall from time to time be allotted as circuit justices among the circuits by order of the Supreme Court. The Chief Justice may make such allotments in vacation.

A justice may be assigned to more than one circuit, and two or more justices may be assigned to the same circuit.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 646, 62 Stat. 870.)

Sister Lisa
Thanks for your response. We are all accountable for what we believe. Scripture is clear a true Prophets's word will come to pass. You might want to check out Kim Clement.. Many of His words like David Wilkersons have come to pass..
The WORD IS TRUTH.. We must test all things..

Deut 18:22
when a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Be Blessed
in Christ
Sister Frannie

Thanks for the reply.. Staff member can u not give a name?
"A problem with a wing of the Pentecostal Church is the showmanship and the self proclaimation as Prophets.John the Baptist was one of the greatest Prophets but he did not even call himself one,he just did the business. "

I believe and Im free to believe what I do. as you are. If you want to criticize prophets today go for it. I will not join in. WITH criticizing others.. I certainly have no right to criticize anyone else. I have not arrived and He is still working on me..
I have discernment and have learned to test all things.. Especially people criticizing others in the body of CHRIST THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING critical and testing the spirits.. I believe
. I am a believer who BELIEVES IN THE PROPHETS OF OLD AND TODAY... I test all things and if the character of the Prophet or Prophetess doesnt match the gifting then GOD WILL DEAL WITH THEM.. HE IS THE ONLY PERFECT PROPHET..
the five fold ministry is necessary for every church..
In Prophesy we all prophesy in part and as a Daughter of the KING I listen pray and Hear His word for me.. A word must bear witness.. If a prophetic word comes and u dont receive it reject it.. If a prophetic word lines up with HIS WORD and turns you from your sin.. receive if u bear witness. THis is whAT i HAVE LEARNED FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT..
1 Cor 13:
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
you believe what you want its all good..
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Be Blessed
in Christ
Sister Frannie

Amen..
If we study the word.. i cor 12 is about the gifts, I COR 13 IS ABOUT THE BEST GIFT.. 1 cor 14 is about the gifts.. I believe this is why the Apostle Paul put 13 in the MIDDLE...
May we all have a Fresh infilling of HIS LOVE IN JESUS NAME THE BEST GIFT..
IN Christ
Sister Frannie

Hi Eagle
Here is Dick Morris explaining the change of roles for the Supreme Court Judges.I think he explains it very well and it basically means that the Supreme Court judges may be more sypathetic to Trump than the lower state courts ,staff

https://www.dickmorris.com/category/lunchtime-videos/

Hi, staff --

Can I jump in on the courts/justices question? This is not to contradict what you've said, but to fill in some gaps.

Trump's litigation in Michigan, for example, began only in part in the federal district courts.**(See footnote.) He must appeal any decision from those courts to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. That court must pass on a matter before it reaches the SCOTUS. That takes quite a bit of time, probably more than he has.

Because of that short window, an emergency MAY (I emphasize that word because I don't know that SCOTUS will view any of Trump's cases as having sufficient merit on their faces to invoke this kind of relief....) but MAY exist such that the SCOTUS *CAN* (IF it sees sufficient merit in any case, as noted above) essentially step down and pull that appeal up to itself to be heard.

This is a different pathway than any of the Justices who have statutory supervisory emergency powers to stop certain court actions below, or to stop the enforcement of inferior courts within a state.

In Bush v. Gore, no individual justice stepped in to stop or enforce anything. The matter came to them under Supreme Court Rule 11 (which allows them to do what I described above) on an emergency petition concerning a matter of extreme public, national importance. There the SCOTUS granted the petition to essentially skip the Florida Supreme Court AFTER they had been petitioned by the Bush campaign to take up the case and come straightaway to them. (In fact, Florida's Sup. Ct. actually had issued an order to recount, but the SCOTUS took it up before that could happen.)

So, the notion that an individual justice can do much of anything beyond a very, very temporary (hours long to only a few days at the most) halting of activity here is probably not going to happen, and I seriously doubt that even that will (but who knows?) If it DID happen, the fact that an individual justice will have halted that activity is nothing more than a brake pedal and at some very soon point, they'd have to release the brake.

At this point, President Trump has gone 0 for 12 or worse on his cases in several states.

**FOOTNOTE: Not all of Trump's own lawsuits nor all of the lawsuits filed by others seeking relief that would benefit him are filed in federal court. Some are filed in state courts and those have NOT made their way through state appeals processes, probably won't (there's no news of appeals on these), and cannot be taken up by the SCOTUS unless they have been fully litigated at the state level including appeals to the highest state court of those particular states.

Hi Dolfan,
My understanding by listening to Guiliani is that they are just going through the motions with the lower courts and dont expect to win anything much at state level.
The way I see it is that the supreme court judge over a particular circuit can hear and rule on a case brought to her or him without the whole supreme court being involved.If for instance the decision went in favour of Trump then Biden would have to appeal to the full supreme court to overturn that decision.
On the individual states
Georgia is being sued because the AG made changed the laws rather than the Georgia Law makers.Lin Wood the lawyer handling this is super convident that the whole Georgia election will be thrown out and the lower ballot elections will have to be redone and the Presidential vote will go to congress and not be redone
PA is similar because Judge Alito stepped in and the ballots werent separated .Also the Guiliani is arguing a double standard in the election that is not allowed under constitution.
In Wisconsin 100,000 ballots could be thrown out because their laws states that absentee ballots have to be requested which they werent .
In Michigan may not be able to certify the result as two canvassers have refuesed in one of the counties to certify.

Even CNN had a headline today that was later changed which said "vote cerfication in Michigan and Pennsylvania in question"

On whether its a better thing that conservative judges are over 4 of the 5 key states it is without doubt much better whether its enough I dont know to be honest ,staff