Taking Covid vaccine as a Christian.

Hello brothers and sisters, blessings to you all.

Just wanted to share some thoughts about vaccines and see if anyone has advice or knows anything.

I have heard from several reputable sources that some vaccines currently under development and testing have an ingredient derived from blood of aborted fetuses.

This disgusts me, and I would not feel comfortable injecting this into me if true, also in doing this I would be encouraging and supporting abortion.

This is a genuine concern of mine, and I don't know what to do. It's a rabbit warren and starts getting into conspiracy theories if you dig enough, some say it's already used in many commercially produced food products as a "flavor enhancer"
However alot of conspiracy theories are based on some truth..
Well my concerns the vaccines at this point, we live in a fallen, disgusting, ungodly world and nothing surprises me anymore.
I cannot just dismiss this and feel I need to find out more as a Christian rather than just stick my head in the sand or shrugging my shoulders, any thoughts/advice and the like welcomed.

Some of the many articles,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-28/oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-ethical-religious-foetal-cell/12592800

https://bioethics.georgetown.edu/2017/01/is-it-true-that-there-are-vaccines-produced-using-aborted-fetuses/

The article indicates the lines used were from 40 odd years ago. They are not using lines from newly aborted fetuses so one cannot argue that the vaccines will encourage abortion. The same lines are used for other vaccines currently in use.

So one must decide whether the use of these 40-50 year old lines is an issue.

The article said it was a legal abortion (an oxymoron I realize)in Norway. I take this to mean she did not have the abortion for the purpose of assisting in vaccine research. That may or may not make a difference in one’s thinking.

I will certainly not be taking the vaccine. I mistrust our government and the medical and pharmaceutical industries.

I also will be socially distancing myself from anyone administering the vaccine.

This woman will not be taking the vaccine either.

There are a couple of things that I think about when considering these issues:

1) Although the aborted cells use a line that is quite old, I do not feel I can in good conscience justify the use of a vaccine that is derived from those cells. There are other ways to produce a vaccine without using something that derived from an evil practice.

2) Let’s say this was a flu vaccine: The immunity may last for a very short time. I wouldn’t get a flu vaccine that lasted for less than several years. In fact, I never get the flu vaccine for that very reason: it lasts 1 year only. That being said, Moderna released a figure that estimated the immunity to last for approximately 3 months. It might last longer but maybe not. That level of immunity is the same as getting COVID. Frankly, I don’t think it is worth it.

3) I have actually already had COVID. I lost my sense of smell and it has returned, although not as strong. However, I don’t live my life worrying about what I am going to die from. I trust the Lord. As I continue to prepare to permanently head to the mission field, there will be a lot of diseases that I could get””some of which are relatively unknown or incurable. Perhaps I will get them, or perhaps I won’t. I can’t control those things, so I will trust the Lord that he’ll take care of me. So, if they came out with a vaccine for Ebola, would I get it? Not immediately. I am going to evaluate the risks and benefits. I cannot do that with this vaccine because it is so new.

Anyhow, those are just some of the things I think about. Ultimately, a lot of it has to do with the fact that I am not willing to subjugate myself to anyone or anything that perpetuates and ideology that is based on lies, fear, or control. I feel like all of this falls in that category. I don’t wear a mask, I don’t social distance, and I don’t plan to get the vaccine. Why? Because I don’t believe the foundational principles of those who want to lock me in my home.

1 Cor 10:25 - Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience,

I quote the above scripture to those who believe in conspiracy theories about how the Vaccines are made. To be fank we cannot get a clear picture of how these vaccines are made. For that matter even how any medicines are made.

I have fellowship with those who do not adminster any vaccine to their children but I do, I do not judge them nor do I expect them to judge me. To me if this vaccine helps me to play my part in eradicating a disease then it is for good. As a Christian we should all do our part to make sure the people around us are healthy. We should do whatever it takes to help erradicate harmful diseases, instead of hearing wrothless consipracy theories.

Mordern day medicines are also given by God to help us stay healthy. They are God-given healing mechanism. I believe it is stupidity to expect God to miraculously heal us when he has already given us medicines. By faith we can take any medicine that is administered by doctors to heal our discease.

Having said this, I will consider the Covid vaccine after seeing the results over a period of time. The fact that these vaccines are produced in such a short time concerns me. Also the fact that COvid 19 is a form of Common Cold virus, tells me that vaccines will not be effective long term.

Me neither. But then my husband and I both had covid19, and we survived it quite well, thank-you! I suspect having had the covid19 will boost immunity better then any vaccine. In any case I still would not get the vaccine - we don't get the flu shot either.

1. Every believer has to use their God-given judgment on taking the vaccine. I'm leaning "no".

2. Aborted-baby tissue cells that were used to cultivate vaccines are only used in a very select few vaccine types, but common ones. Varicella, Hep A, Rubella and rabies. There may be a few others.

The new COVID vaccine works entirely differently and -- at least as far as I understand -- doesn't use any of the lines of cultures from those aborted babies By the way, there is no long line of labs using new fetal tissue this way; the existing cell lines are from two aborted babies in the 1960s. It is no less reprehensible that this happened, but do not avoid COVID vaccines for this reason. There are other good reasons to consider avoiding it besides this one.

3. I don't trust the new vaccines for one simple reason: there are almost no vaccines that require multiple dosing over a short period of time that do not virtually guarantee lifelong immunity. This vaccine is rushed, there are too many unanswered questions, and there's no way to know within reason that the benefits substantially outweigh the risks. I certainly don't trust the government to tell us the truth, and never expect a business to speak against their own financial interests.

Even if these vaccines were not related in any way to any aborted fetal cell lines, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are the first that will introduce synthetic mRNA (synthetic genetic material) into the human body.

[edited again to clarify.]

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599

We are now in a very critical time in human history.
My short answer: Choose this day what you want to believe...
I won't comment further

Blessings and stay safe !

Markus

Well some good feedback here on a needed topic to discuss.
I would be leading towards not taking the shot, however my worry is that it will be forced on us, not necessarily by government or being compulsory, but through liberties being taken away through not having it. Flying, work, education ect ect...

I am of the firm belief this is a test run, a for runner to the inevitable "Mark" and that there are hidden agendas and spiritual things at play currently. Praise God hy life and future are in Him.

Was there a spiritual agenda when smallpox was eradicated by vaccine? I have a smallpox vaccine scar on my right arm as does everyone of my generation.

Covid is a virus; so was smallpox. Why is the Covid vaccine from the pit of hell and the smallpox vaccine was not?

What about polio? Was that vaccine taken by millions to eradicate a horrible virus of the devil as well? If not, why?

If it wasn’t for the nasty political climate in this country the vaccine would be a no-brainer.

The same things going on in society now - lockdowns, closures, recommendations against families getting together for holidays”” all took place during the Spanish flu epidemic a hundred years ago. Read your history.

Y’all need to calm down a tad.

" Principles for Christian thinking in context of COVID vaccines”
Posted Wednesday, December 16, 2020 10:38 am
By ALBERT MOHLER, President, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary

https://albertmohler.com/2020/12/14/vaccines-and-the-christian-worldview-principles-for-christian-thinking-in-the-context-of-covid

If a person can't see this virus is being used by political elites to implement an evil agenda, it's because you don't want to see it. All the data points to this virus being nothing more than a bad flu year. The Covid death rates are being grossly inflated, as are the positive tests (many, many false positives). I don't need to calm down at all. I've sought to think rationally and make informed decisions throughout this crisis. And I have made the decision to not take this vaccine, no matter what the cost is to me.

TMK wrote - (The same things going on in society now - lockdowns, closures, recommendations against families getting together for holidays”” all took place during the Spanish flu epidemic a hundred years ago. Read your history).

The Spanish flu and Covid-19 can not be compared! The Spanish flu killed at least fifty million people, on top of that the population of the world was one quarter the population of today. Making the equivalent of two hundred million people dying today! Not even close!

My point is that people think Covid recommendations today are novel and unnecessary. They are not novel. All this has happened before.

Do you not think if they were able to develop a Spanish Flu vaccine that it would have been welcomed with open arms? Perhaps the millions and millions would not have died.

I have no doubt that Covid death numbers are inflated but many have died.

Unfortunately the response to Covid was politicized and now it is being religion-ized mainly because most evangelicals vote a certain way. Nothing wrong with that- I vote the same way.

But to suggest the vaccine is the devil from hell is a bit much.

I have no doubt that Covid death numbers are inflated but many have died.

Unfortunately the response to Covid was politicized and now it is being religion-ized mainly because most evangelicals vote a certain way. Nothing wrong with that- I vote the same way.

But to suggest the vaccine is the devil from hell is a bit much.

I agree with you here Todd. It is true that this virus has been politicalized and also certain companies are making money out of it. Still, there is enough death caused by the Virus to believe that it is a lot more than the normal flu.

I personally know young people with no preexisting condition who dropped dead immediately after recovering from the virus. It causes internal organ failures that are visible after recovery.

I am not personally paranoid by covid nor am I dumb enough to believe the whole thing is a conspiracy.

Yes, Vaccines have saved the human race from so many dangerous viruses. I have personally seen people born with polio, today it is eradicated because of vaccines. Even if you have not taken it there are people around you who have taken the vaccine to protect you. Vaccines are God-given healing for humans. So seeing them as evil is foolish.