Relevant and hard hitting videos regarding the recent election and the modern prophetic movement

I don't do this often. Yet recenty, I have come across two videos by a Jeremiah Johnson. He publically predicted former President Trump would be elected to another term and the morning after the election, Johnson posted a letter of explanation and apology for getting it wrong. He has caught much grief for doing so and continues to do so.

He has offered two videos on the matter - "I was Wrong" part 1 and part 2. They are repentant and hard hitting at the same time as he addresses his own mistakes and out of bounds non scriptural trends he sees in the contemporary prophetic movement. And he deals with motives and the attitude of many hearts today. It's the sanest and most objective comments I have seen so far on the recent election and the prophetic controversy that accompanied it. I already recommended part 1 but want to especially recommend part 2 also. They can be found on youtube - just type in "Jeremiah Johnson I was Wrong." Both are a little over 35 minutes each. You are not obligated to agree with all but I believe there is a lot in them worthy of consideration at this critical juncture in the church's history.

Bless y'all.

Brother David,
Admittedly I’m only half way through the 2nd video but several things have given me pause, while other mentionings sound correct but will require further investigation-

I do have a question for you about JJ’s assessment of NT prophets...
without quoting him/his position here as I’m sure you’re familiar, Paul says in Ephesians 2:20 that the church was build on the foundation of apostles and prophets and not that the church has any authority over them to select or appoint a prophet or apostle, that was up to God Himself ... what say you?

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Not submitted in an argumentative spirit but a simple inquiry 🙏🏻

Hi Docs,
I will look at the second video and see if their is anything new.
However he needed to bring forth fruits in line with repentance and he did not.He needed to stand down from ministry but he would not.The problem with Johnson is that he has lost all his credibility.

My position is exactly as it was before the 20th and the 6th and the 14th,I believe this is not over and Christians who look through the lens of persecution for better or worse will view this differently than those who do not look through that lens.
I believe this is not over for a few reasons
a.It would involve God doing a 180 degree turnaround on what he was doing in the world with Brexit and 2016 elections.This move is totally illogical.
b.I have had dreams personally myself that I am saying are from the Lord including one from earlier this evening.
c It is clear as day to me what happened in the election and what is going on as we speak has an AntiChrist Spirit behind it that God wont allow to have power before its time.

urs staff

Hi Staff,

Momentum shift may seem illogical, but our Lord’s ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.

Abraham waiting 25 years to have Isaac did not seem logical since his body was as good as dead and Sarah’s womb was also dead.

Having the Israelites turn back and appear lost did not appear logical at the time, but it did draw out the Egyptian forces.

Joseph ending up Potiphar’s slave and Pharaoh’s prisoner would not have seemed logical at the time.

David being chased around the wilderness by Saul after being anointed king and his early successes. This did not seem logical. Also, less than two weeks from the ransacking of Zicklag, David was king of Judah and Benjamin. Wonderfully true, but not very logical.

If you have received divine insight into the coming days, I do not believe brothers will be disappointed that you stood faithful.

May the Lord do what is in His heart for the church here in the US however logical or illogical it may seem to our understanding.

Mak

JFW,

Thank you for your inquiry and attitude.

/I do have a question for you about JJ’s assessment of NT prophets...
without quoting him/his position here as I’m sure you’re familiar, Paul says in Ephesians 2:20 that the church was build on the foundation of apostles and prophets and not that the church has any authority over them to select or appoint a prophet or apostle, that was up to God Himself ... what say you?/

I would definitely say that the church has no authority to select who is a prophet. Far be it from the church to think it can do that. That is God's sovereign choice.

I do believe though that prophetic ministers should be recognized and come to maturity and fruition within the body of Christ in a local assembly. I don't believe NT prophets have the okay to just wander about on their own in the body of Christ giving words here and there with no judging or accountability to anyone taking place. Far be from the church to do that, but that seems to be what has happened in many cases. If one feels they have a word from God then one should not fear having it judged. This is not common practice in today's church.

I've also been of the somewhat firm belief for a while that just because someone may be able to prophesy etc. that that may not necessarily mean he has the OFFICE of a prophet. They may just be someone who can operate on the gift of prophecy, words of knowledge etc. These are my opinions and may not be everyone's opinion. I realize that.

/Not submitted in an argumentative spirit but a simple inquiry 🙏🏻/

Amen!

Hi Greg,
A few points,
If Paul and Peter were around today they would probably use everything they could to bring the gospel to people including youtube.
Just because people listen to youtube which includes many many SI videos( by the way) doesnt automatically mean they are not listening to local believers in the body of Christ or that they are not listening to God personally.Its not a one or the other situation.Neither does it mean they have left the word of God or are not listening to the Holy Spirit as you are suggesting.
Another point is that we have many ,many more Christians in the world today than we had in the first century so we are going to have mulitiple more giftings and ministries which like SermonIndex and Timesquare Church will find themselves on Youtube.
My guess is that its not the fact that Christians ministries are on youtube that is a bother to you but rather what the type the ministries are,
urs staff

Good word, Greg!

Be careful on who to follow, the nation and churches are divided. There are extreme ideas, remember what happened to soviet union or what was before the union, people seeking relief and haven from oppression on one hand and other sorts of people on the other hand.

The new testament is full of encouragent and warnings on how to live in trying times. Now, I believe sermonindex should not be a forum to wild ideas but to be an instrument of God for guidance and exhortations among believers.

/Hi Docs,
I will look at the second video and see if their is anything new.
However he needed to bring forth fruits in line with repentance and he did not. He needed to stand down from ministry but he would not. The problem with Johnson is that he has lost all his credibility./

Then why are you still following and clinging to the words of prophets who very obviously missed their predictions and have lost credibility and haven't repented and stood down from ministry and continue going about business as usual. It seems you are criticizing others while doing the very thing you are criticizing them for. That is lost credibility.

Hi Docs,

I think ive explained myself very clearly to you.
I have not predicted anything but have explained my position based on three things but I will repeat it once more just for you.
1 Its not in line with what God has been doing in the 2016 elections and brexit
2 God has shown me things personally
3 It is clear as the blue sky in summertime that their is an AntiChrist Spirit behind this election which I dont believe at this juncture of history God is going to allow this Spirit to win this battle.

I have not apologized for my position unlike Johnson who clearly didnt hear from God,its very hard to make a mistake like that.I have no credibility issue as I viewed 6th the 20th and dec 14th as man made deadlines just as Jesus viewed Lazarus's death and Funeral as a man made deadline.

Their are only 3 credible postions for those that made prophesies
1 I am stepping down from my ministry because.....
2 I got the timeline wrong and but I still think Donald Trump will be the 46th president
3 I didnt go by the man made timeline at all and I am sticking to what I said all along .

Johnson doesnt fit into any of those categories and has lost his credibility
urs staff

Hi Passerby,
The gospel is completely a wild idea itself but it turns out to be true.
The new testament never says to lie down and be buried by tyranny brought about through an AntiChrist spirit.
Their are times of great persecution and their are times like Billy Graham had where their relatively no persecution.Living through trying times doesnt mean stop telling the truth,never does it say that,
urs staff

staff,

Just what has been God been doing with the 2016 election and Brexit?

Also, what has God told you, personally?

Thanks,

Nate

Greg,

You are asking why people will look at these videos.

Some of us are very much aware of what will likely happen if the pro-death politicians win this recent election. But we do not want it to happen. I am very much aware how communists took over Russia and other countries. I have read Richard Wurmbrand's books and newsletter; Corrie ten Boom wrote about the atrocities inflicted upon Europe so one looks to see if our fears are justified or not but still sense they have good reason to exist. I, for one, believed that if these prophets are false it will not happen as they said it would which on one hand does not surprise me.

We are living in trying times. False prophets/teachers are being exposed everywhere. How we handle gov mandates as a brotherhood is a harbinger of things to come, I think. Will we be united or divided?

Mothers with young children are very concerned....and I feel for them. I told one young mom that all she can do is to teach her children how to listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit...and this applies to all Believers.

Sandra

not you staff, it is much wilder than i have read here at si. yes we must not belittle what God can do, as those proud empires and nations did.

our enemy is a roaring lion.

Having read the comments on JJ and the disagreement on who we should be giving heed to, it would be wisdom first of all to take the Word of God as our main source of guidance. The Holy Spirit has come to lead us into all truth, so we should have such an abiding fellowship with the Lord Jesus that we are listening to what He is saying.

The ministry of the prophet is a valid ministry, and has been given to build up the Church, so believers should do the work of the ministry.

Every true prophet will say only what He hears the Lord saying.

The prophetic gift will bring edification, exhortation, and comfort, but also there will be clear warnings to the Church, and there will also be prophetic words of those things that grieve the Spirit of God. I will not give much attention to a so called prophet that speak only pleasant words.

Staff, All Christians that live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. Jesus said that a servant would be as His master. "If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you.” There is much persecution all over the world. Why do most Christians in America think that we are exempt?

Hi Havok,
The 2016 and brexit God is heading in the direction opposite of globalism and one world government until he has achieved what he wants to achieve.I wont linger on this as the second bit is long.

Personally,
I had a serious of dreams which I am definitely saying are from the Lord to be clear.Ive had many dreams from God over the years.
1
.After the election I saw Joe Biden going through the doors of the white house which I believe are the doors from the Rose Garden.He got to the threshold and went in and I said to myself in the dream "thats it then maybe he does get in"
I have to be honest its the last thing I wanted to hear.
2
In the next dream I was looking at a political chamber which I think is the congress after looking at the pictures.Prof Helmut Norpoth from the Primary model who is a Pollster and predicted Trump to win walked in and took authority over the politicians in it.They shouted and roared at him but it was clear he was had authority and he just smiled.In the dream I said "thats Norpoth hes from the primary model but he cant be in charge because hes just a pollister so it must be someone like Norpoth".I learned a few days after that Christopher Miller the acting secretary of defence look very similar but thats just my opinion..
I then heard a voice say "whats sauce for the goose,is sauce for the gander"
3
I had a serious of dreams about these dates in or around the 20th november. These dates are 13/2 14/3 and 15/4.The first dream about the 13 of feb was so faint ,so dim I woke up and said did I just have a dream about the 13/2.
I waited for the 20 days or so to see what was going to happen on the 13th and low and behold the impeachment vote happened and Trump was acquited.
The 15th of April is my birthday but in the dream it was my mothers birthday.This is the only dream where I think I have an intrepretation.Mother or The pastors wife in a dream from God usually means "THE Church".So the Churches Birthday is on the 15th of April is the meaning.Whether thats my local Church or something bigger I dont know.Funnily enough the Pastors wife's real birthday is actually the 15th of april as well.
4
This evening I fell fast asleep and dreamed the following which is very pictorial and hard to explain.
I saw a round coffee Tin and the lid was off,it was full of dark granular coffee.I saw what looked like a piece of hard paper or light cardboard rolled up like a tube and going down through the middle of the coffee ,it then expanded out and through some shaking it came to rest around the whole inside of the tin with all the coffee now inside it.
I then heard God say "I am as big as I have always been and I have inserted myself in".
I clearly understood that God was the paper insert and that he had positioned himself around all the evil.I also clearly understood that the paper insert looked small at first but then it expanded surrounded all the coffee.
Why I say evil is that in another portion of the dream I could see that the contents of the tin were sin an all sorts of evil carry on too disgusting too mention.
I immediately woke and understood this is about whats going on at the moment.God was saying nobody noticed but I have inserted myself in.

So I am confident enough to say that "This is not over" ,I dont know Gods plans or his timing other than what he gave me.I cant say for sure that Joe Biden wont be President for the four years or that Donald Trump will be restored to be president for the remainder of the term as other people have said.
If you ask me whats my opinion rather than intrepretation I would have to say their will be investigations perhaps a public prosecutor and the election will be overturned and then the show of Gods power and Justice in such a tangible way will fuel a great revival,
Thats my opinion rather than intrepretation but I have no doubt this is not over and God has inserted himself in,
urs staff

Hi Abideinhim,
I am not saying that Christians wont be persecuted.Its clear even now that throughout the world their is persecution onto death.
But their are clearly times of great persecution like Corrie Ten Boon and times where their was little persecution like Billy Graham and he lived a godly life in Christ.
I have complained about always looking through the lens of persecution and believing if it doesnt come then it isnt true Christianity.I have complained about how pre trib believers are misrepresented on SI.All pre trib believers I personally know understand about persecution and that we could come under persecution like other Christians have around the world.Just because we believe that we will be raptured doesnt mean we dont understand persecution.
Paul had times where he preached freely and without hindrance and then he had times of persecution.He didnt long for it to come though but saw the good it produced when it did come,urs staff

I know a number of people who have been telling me about their nightmarish dreams. Each and every one of them have been so disturbed by these nightmarish dreams that their daily lives have been affected in one way or another and to some degree or other.

These nightmarish dreams that each of these persons are having have to do with the political atmosphere and world events.

Also worth mentioning is the fact that all of these persons are christians.

Another thing worth mentioning is that they see and hear news reports daily on the current events in our nation and the world.

I asked if they'd consider fasting and praying. The fast I had in mind was in regard to their daily diet of the news and the current events in our nation and in the world.

They all agreed. They spent all the time in fellowship with God through His Word and prayer, in the place of the time they'd been spending seeing and hearing news.

An amazing thing occurred. After just 2 days, all of their nightmarish politically charged dreams ceased.
They all slept soundly and had sweet dreams. To this day they're experiencing God's peace and are focused on doing justice, loving mercy and walking humbly with their Lord. They are praying for family and friends more, helping those in need, evangelizing the lost, and growing in the grace and in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus. All this with the joy of the Lord in their step. They've got a thankful and giving heart, and are an inspiration and an encouragement to all around them.

It may be that some others are also having dreams due to these factors.

Just saying...🙂

Hi Savannah,

The reason people are having dreams from God is because the word of God says thats what would happen.Some Christians who are afraid of the supernatural usually hate the Acts 2 scripture and look for a way to look pass them.So many big things happened regarding dreams and visions in both the New and the Old Testaments.I can only say that I dreamt on or around the 3 week in Nov that the 13 of feb would have some faint significance and it did Trump was acquitted from the sham impeachment.Even on the 12th it looked like their would be no vote on the 13th.

ACTS 2
"'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

I would wonder why other people are not dreaming or having visions?? as it says I will pour out my spirit on all people etc.

Nightmares and the like are not what we are talking about here.They are just normal dreams not the edifying dreams like you get from the Lord.

urs staff