Jesus' Curse of Israel and Promise Concerning Them

Mark 11:12-14,20-22

And on the morrow, when they were come out from Bethany, he hungered. And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find anything thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for it was not the season of figs. And he answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit from thee henceforward for ever. And his disciples heard it.

And as they passed by in the morning, they saw the fig tree withered away from the roots. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Rabbi, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

Matthew 21:33-45

There was a man that was a householder, which planted a vineyard, and set a hedge about it, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into another country. And when the season of the fruits drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, to receive his fruits. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them in like manner. But afterward he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But the husbandmen, when they saw the son, said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and take his inheritance. And they took him, and cast him forth out of the vineyard, and killed him. When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner: This was from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And he that falleth on this stone shall be broken to pieces: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will scatter him as dust.

And when the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Hi savannah,

this is all biblical truth, and your point is?

How do you see this in conjunction with Romans 11?

Hi narrowpath,

This is all biblical truth. Listen to Jesus!

Luke 9:33-36
Peter said to Jesus, "Master, it is good that we are here. Let us make three tents, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah”””not realizing what he said. As he was saying these things, a cloud came and overshadowed them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, my Chosen One; listen to him!” And when the voice had spoken, Jesus was found alone.

There's absolutely no disagreement,conflict or contradiction between Jesus, and Paul in Romans 11.

Moses nor Elijah nor Savannah nor narrowpath have any points over against Jesus. If you need to read over again what Jesus said in the OP then do so.

I chose to title the thread, "Jesus' curse of Israel and Promise Concerning Them", because those two things are recorded in the Word of God. Jesus cursed Israel and made an eternal Promise concerning them.

Will you indict Jesus for His Words and actions?

This is what happens if you curse the Jewish people - Derek Prince:

https://youtu.be/AoyjLvslPfQ

It would probably be more helpful if you would address the scriptures savannah quoted.

How do you interpret what Jesus did/said?

Luke 13:6-9

And Jesus spake a parable; a certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came seeking fruit thereon, and found none. And he said unto the vinedresser, Behold these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none; cut it down; why doth it also cumber the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, until I shall dig about it, and dung it: and if it bear fruit thenceforth, well; but if not, thou shalt cut it down.

ANALOGIES IN THE Parable by JB Coffman -

Owner of the vineyard = the heavenly Father

The vinedresser = the Lord Jesus Christ

The vineyard = the world

The fig tree = the Jewish nation

Three years = the first three years of Jesus' ministry

Fruitlessness = Israel's rejection of Jesus

This year also = Jesus' final year of preaching

Thou shalt cut it down = God's judgment against Israel

"These three years" refer to the special anticipation upon the part of the Father that when the Son of God appeared Israel would receive and acknowledge him. The whole history of the chosen people was epitomized by what took place in the ministry of Jesus.

The fig tree in this parable undoubtedly stands for Israel.

Christ's use of a period of 3 years was not coincidental. It came first in the sentence, and coincided with a number of other "threes" in this chapter, the parable itself being the third call to repentance. Also, the three measures of meal (Luke 13:20) point to some definite meaning.

In this, the fig tree is the Jewish nation, God the owner, Christ the vinedresser. The fig tree is condemned for fruitlessness, but the vinedresser asks for more time in order that it might yet bear fruit. If not, that is, if the Jewish nation fails to bear fruit it is to be destroyed. So it was in 70AD.

This discussion is also not helpful, it is not very accurate and doesn't show the complete picture.

just a quick quote: "if the Jewish nation fails to bear fruit it is to be destroyed. So it was in 70AD. "
I don't think there was a "Jewish nation " at the time of Christ. They were under Roman rule.
But more importantly in AD 70 the Jews were not destroyed but scattered to the four corners of the world.
Another point: Jews are not = "Israel". Israel had about 12 tribes.

Isaiah 11:12 He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; He will collect the scattered of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Isaiah 54…6For the LORD has called you back, like a wife deserted and wounded in spirit, like the rejected wife of one’s youth,” says your God. 7"For a brief moment I forsook you, but with great compassion I will bring you back. 8In a surge of anger I hid My face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you,” says the LORD your Redeemer.…

Jeremiah 50:4 "In those days and at that time, declares the LORD, the children of Israel and the children of Judah will come together, weeping as they come, and will seek the LORD their God. 5They will ask the way to Zion and turn their faces toward it. They will come and join themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will never be forgotten.…

I think most importantly we don't learn from those examples
Might start a different thread at some stage to explain a bit more that we are no better then them.

It is all by Grace alone...

Markus

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"This discussion is also not helpful, it is not very accurate and doesn't show the complete picture."

Just because it's not helpful to you, nor accurate to you, doesn't mean it's not.

And you have certainly not made the picture complete with your post.

"It is all by Grace alone" is elemental to the gospel!

Israel and Jews are used synonymously throughout the Scriptures.

We might just as well say "the church in the wilderness" (Acts 7:38).

@Savannah
So what would you say is the promise to the Jews then?
Do they have anything more to hope for?
Will they come back to their savor or have they blown their opportunity when Christ ministered in their land?

What role do you think plays present day Israel in Gods plan? Do you think God will still deal with Israel particularily in the end times or do you think it all finished in 70 a.D.?

Hi savannah,

Jesus' Curse of Israel and Promise Concerning Them

Could you let me know which specific passage it is that you're referring to regarding a "curse of Israel" uttered by Jesus?

"So what would you say is the promise to the Jews then? Do they have anything more to hope for?

The promise and the hope in the book of Acts;

Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!” When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?”

Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off””to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.”

With many other words he testified, and he urged them, "Be saved from this corrupt generation.” Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.
Acts 2:36-41

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"Will they come back to their savor or have they blown their opportunity when Christ ministered in their land?"

Opportunity calls;

‘AND IT SHALL BE, THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.’

"Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know”” this Man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.
Acts 2:21-23

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"What role do you think plays present day Israel in Gods plan?

None..according to Jesus' own words.

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"Do you think God will still deal with Israel particularly in the end times or do you think it all finished in 70 a.D.?"

No...according to Jesus' own words.

["What role do you think plays present day Israel in Gods plan?

None..according to Jesus' own words.]

So, who do you think orchestrated the rebirth of Israel as a nation and who sustained her against all odds?

Is is happenstance of fulfillment of prophesy or is it a rebellion against God's plan?

["Do you think God will still deal with Israel particularly in the end times or do you think it all finished in 70 a.D.?"

No...according to Jesus' own words.]

This is why I pointed to Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

Has this been fulfilled or are we still awaiting the fulfilment?

What then about these passages in Revelation about the sealing of the 144000?
Rev 7:5-8
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+7%3A5-8&version=KJV

Or the ministry of the 2 witnesses in Rev 11?

The reason why I raise these questions is that I believe, that if you take Israel away from Gods dealings with the world and the finalization of this age, we are devaluating what God holds dear:

..to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

The Jews spread the gospel first, the bible is mostly written by Jews. The Jews rejected their Messiah and salvation came mostly to the gentiles but God will finalize this age by turning back to Israel and finish off by turning them back to God through great tribulation.

What bothers me about the preterist view, is that God would forever blind, harden and curse the children of the promise, the Jews.

Are we not indebted to their apostolic ministry, the teachings of the Old Testament for our benefit and education?

Should not we, who snatched up what they rejected, should with our heart and soul yearn that the adoption we unnatural children received the natural children will also receive?

Jews do not have to become Gentiles, and Gentiles do not have to become Jews, but one day we shall be one flock with no partition.

It grieves my heart when I see Christians snubbing the Jews.
I think it is not just a minor eschatological but something that sits at the core at who God is in Himself.

As for me, misunderstanding God#s dealing with Jew and Gentile means failing to see the magnitude of God's grace.

Q. "Is is happenstance of fulfillment of prophesy or is it a rebellion against God's plan?"

A. None of the above

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"What bothers me about the preterist view, is that God would forever blind, harden and curse the children of the promise, the Jews."

No such view is associated with this misrepresentation you followed with above. Only those rejecting Messiah Jesus are blind, hardened and cursed. Those (jew or gentile) who receive the Messiah as Savior and Lord are His children.

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"It grieves my heart when I see Christians snubbing the Jews."

I go no further than the Christ Himself did in regard to the Jews. Would you also indict Christ Jesus for snubbery for His Words regarding them?

It grieves my heart when I see christians snubbing any who have been made in His image.

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"I think it is not just a minor eschatological but something that sits at the core at who God is in Himself."

Who God is in Himself is the very reason I believe as I do.

"...failing to see the magnitude of God's grace" I believe is missed when we believe otherwise. God's electing and predestinating grace is the epitome of such magnitude. And that, before the foundation of the world and before any good or evil having been done by the creature.

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Thanks for the civility and humility I detect in your post. May such be the spirit we continue in as we go proclaiming the Gospel of God's grace with both jew and gentile.