The place the antichrist originates from

Recently I have been studying about Mystery Babylon however as I was going through scripture I came across this one that lets us know where the antichrist originates from -

Nahum 1:11 There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counseller.

So what's the city Nahum 1:1 The burden of Nineveh.

Nineveh - what's it called today - Mosul.

If you read on Nahum 1:14-15 it clearly speaks of end time events - the Lord cuts down the image and sends him to the grave because he is Vile and the second coming of the Lord when His feet touch the Mount of Olives.

Mosul

Hi Colin,

How do you understand this passage from Nahum 1 in the light of what we read from II Thessalonians 2:1-12? Here's that passage from the NASB:

1 Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,

2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?

6 And you know what restrains him now, so that he will be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is removed.

8 Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will eliminate with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;

9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and false signs and wonders,

10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not accept the love of the truth so as to be saved.

11 For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,

12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

II Thessalonians 2:1-12

In verse 4, Paul speaks about how the "man of lawlessness" will take "his seat" in the temple of God and "display himself" as "being God."

The NIV words this verse as follows: "He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."

As often as I've studied eschatology, I've always been perplexed by this passage.

For one, the physical "temple" in Jerusalem was destroyed just a few years after the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians was written. Moreover, I question (with an open mind) whether this "temple" is the physical Temple in Jerusalem or something else altogether.

We know what Paul wrote about how our bodies are the "temple of the Holy Spirit" (I Corinthians 3:16 and 6:19-20). Collectively, as also written in I Corinthians, we know that we all are part of the Body of Christ. So, with this in mind, I have often wondered whether Paul was referring to the "temple" via this understanding of the word or if he was simply referring to the physical temple in Jerusalem.

Many eschatological teachers seem to believe that this refers to a temple in Jerusalem. Since there is no temple anymore (thanks to General Titus and the Romans), this makes those teachers believe that a temple will be rebuilt.

However, some believe that this "temple" is referring to the church -- the Body of Christ -- made up of individuals who are the "Temple of the Holy Ghost." This would be interpreted that the antichrist would seat himself in the church. As believers are expecting Christ's return, they assume that the Antichrist will proclaim this to be himself.

As my wife and I have read through the New Testament this current time through it, I'm trying to list all of the passages that refer to the Antichrist. Are there any other passages that you think indicate the Antichrist's origin?

In response to the question regarding His second coming and the end of the age, Jesus Himself instructed us to refer to the writings of Daniel to understand what the abomination of desolation is and what it will signal the beginning of - see Matthew 24:15-21. Daniel does not mention the abomination once but four times - Daniel 8:11; 9:27; 11:31; 12:11. Each time Daniel prophesies of the abomination, he also makes reference to the taking away of the daily sacrifice. These sacrifices took place in the physical temple, not a spiritual temple made up of believers. The abomination of Matthew 24:15 sets off the final set of events that end this age. Jesus called these events the greatest time of tribulation the earth will ever see - Matthew 24:21. The final abomination will take place in a physical temple. That in no way means that the church is not the temple of the Holy Spirit for certainly it is. But a physical temple reappearing again and the church existing as a spiritual temple are two different subjects altogether. People who believe a physical temple will reappear are often said to not realize the church is a spiritual temple. This is not true. They fully realize this. They just realize a physical temple and the church being a spiritual temple are two different subjects - apples and oranges.

Meanwhile, Daniel's four references to the abomination (see above) each contain a reference to the taking away of daily sacrifices which always took place in the physical temple. This speaks for itself in regards to a physical temple which was Paul's reference point in II Thessalonians 2:4.

Thanks, docs. Do you believe that a new temple will be built in Jerusalem? Or, do you suppose that the throne (mentioned in II Thessalonians 2) can simply be in the location of the temple on the Temple Mount?

Yes, I believe some type of sacrificial system will be reinstated and come into practice in a physical temple among the Jews in Jerusalem before the return of Christ. It will be a vain attempt to please God. Yet that does not by any means mean that I nor those who believe as I do on this matter do not believe that the church is a spiritual temple indwelt by the Holy Spirit. If I can politely ask, have you been taught that those who believe in the reappearance of the daily sacrifices n a physical temple before Christ comes do not believe the church is a temple inhabited by God? They are two separates issues. One can very well believe in the vain reappearance of a physical temple and the resumption of the daily sacrifices while at the same time believing the church is a spiritual temple.

Some of my research has shown me that the presently accepted location of the site of the ancient temple may be wrong. I'm not completely sure of this proposal, but it is possible the ancient temple was actually located in a different location not so far from the presently accepted site. If this is true, this real location does not infringe in any way upon the present site of the Muslim Dome of the Rock mosque. So a new temple could possibly be built on bona fide Jewish territory without infringing upon any Muslim holy sites. I can't and don't want to be dogmatic, this is just food for thought.

It remains that Jesus mentioned the abomination of desolation and referred us to Daniel's writings on the matter. The four times that Daniel referred to the abomination of desolation, he also mentioned in the same verses the sudden cessation of the daily sacrifices. This is not without reason in my opinion and remains eschatologicaly relevant.

Thank you.

There are also those who believe Christ himself will preside over animal sacrifice in a rebuilt temple.

Blasphemous, in my opinion.

An ace up the sleeve gotcha answer, always convenient to use. Yet you didn't address the subject of the post which was that Jesus Himself spoke of the abomination of desolation as the event that will trigger the last events of this present age. And Jesus Himself also referred us to the prophet Daniel to gain understanding ("whoso reads, let him understand!" Matt 24:15) of the significance of the event. In the four times that Daniel spoke of the same abomination of desolation that Jesus spoke of, Daniel also made reference to the cessation of daily sacrifices. You didn't address this point.

Jesus said the abomination of desolation was Jerusalem surrounded and invaded and desecrated by Roman armies (cf Mt. 24:15 and Lk. 21:20). This of course happened in 70 AD and it resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and the dispersal of the Jewish nation.

The temple Jesus is speaking of in the Olivet Discourse is none other than the temple he was looking at when he spoke the words. Thus there is no need of a some vague rebuilt temple at some point in the nebulous future.

But He also said AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days (Matt 24:29), triggered by the abomination of desolation, is when He would return. And His return coincides with the time He will physically resurrect the righteous dead. His return and the resurrection of the dead have not occurred. Not once did the early church preach or proclaim that He came again spiritually in 70 AD or that the resurrection was to be a spiritual event.

murrcoir,

In the three or four times or more I have tried to look into this and as I have listened to others on the subject!, I've always come away with the belief that the origins of the AC will more than likely be from the area of modern Syria.

Thanks.

Jesus did not come spiritually in 70 ad. He came literally in judgment.

However, the Second Coming is still future.

What about Antichrist leading a revived Roman Empire made up of 10 European nations? I thought that was the party line. What’s all this Syria business?

Quote: As often as I've studied eschatology, I've always been perplexed by this passage.

Both Daniel and Jesus tell us that the antichrsit will defile the Third Temple before the return of Christ.

"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel ”” let the reader understand ”” then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” Matthew 24:15”“16; compare with Daniel 9:27, 11:31, 12:11 and Revelation 13:14-15 As you have mentioned - 2 Thessalonians 2:4

Quote: Are there any other passages that you think indicate the Antichrist's origin?

Micah 5:5-6 And he shall be their peace(Jesus). When the Assyrian comes into our land and treads in our palaces, then we will raise against him seven shepherds and eight princes of men; they shall shepherd the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod at its entrances; and he shall deliver us from the Assyrian when he comes into our land and treads within our border.

Isaiah 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in My land, And on My mountains tread him underfoot. Then his yoke shall be removed from them, And his burden removed from their shoulders.

Isaiah 10:24 Therefore thus says the Lord God of hosts: "O My people, who dwell in Zion, do not be afraid of the Assyrian. He shall strike you with a rod and lift up his staff against you, in the manner of Egypt

Quote: In the three or four times or more I have tried to look into this and as I have listened to others on the subject!, I've always come away with the belief that the origins of the AC will more than likely be from the area of modern Syria.

Doc - When I read that scripture it was one of those of my goodness moments - then went on to locate where Nineveh it was a ancient Assyrian city of Upper Mesopotamia.

Today it's in Nothern Iraq called Mosul.

Quote: What about Antichrist leading a revived Roman Empire made up of 10 European nations?

TMK - Just have a look at this verse - Daniel 8:21 In verse 19 it says that this will happen at the time of the end. So the scripture is referring to the endtimes..

So in your bible it may say the King of Greece as it will in some versions - however if you go into the strongs concordance you'll find the root word is "Javan"

So the scripture should read King of Javan.

The name Javan reflects the Greek heroic name Ion, the legendary ancestor of the Ionians, a section of the Greek people. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/javan

So Javan is a section of the Greek people from Ionian.

Ionian is a ancient region comprising the central sector of the western coast of Anatolia (now Turkey).

So in Daniels vision on Dan 8:3-14 The goat is Turkey it defeats Persia (Iran) Dan8:7, but the leader dies - the horn broken off Dan 8:8 and four horns replace them.

One of these horns started small but will grow in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land Dan 8:9 This one is the antichrist as you can see by what he does in Dan 8:11-12.

We have in other posts identified that the antichrist comes from Nineveh (Mosul) Nahum 1:7 and is called the Assyrian Isaiah 14:25 Isaiah 10:24.

So look for a Javan (Turkey) - Media/Persia (Iran) war -
Turkey defeating Iran only for the leader of this new empire dying and four others replacing him one of which will be the antichrist.

From here on it is me adding my thoughts as it's not based in scripture as it could just be a Turkey/Iran war.

Could the NATO countries be involved in that war with Iran - if Iran attacks Turkey first then NATO will be involved as that what the alliance members agreed to.

So we could see a war between Turkey and its NATO Allies versus Iran and here proxies ”“ in Lebanon/Iraq/Yemen/Syria. NATO could just see it a continuation of the Arab Spring while all the while what God has told us is falling into place.

It would also explain Dan 8:5 goat crossing the whole earth without touching the ground - the massive airpower that NATO holds as an alliance.

The eastern end of the Roman Empire eventually covered the area of Syria and beyond. The man of sin does not necessarily have to have his origins in what is known today as Europe.

Before this age ends, two mysteries are destined to be fully revealed -the mystery of godliness and the mystery of iniquity. The mystery of godliness was fully revealed in the flesh in Christ. The mystery of iniquity will be fully revealed in the man of sin/antichrist. As Paul stated, the Day of the Lord cannot occur until the man of sin is revealed first.

Found a short video animation on Daniel 8 using the name King of Yavan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMYW4fmVrTU

THE BOOK OF REVELATION // Session 37: The Final Antichrist and His Age-Ending Tyranny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y5Z5kvL078

This was very good explanation of what he believes where the anti-christ is coming from.

Lysa

I had a listen to the video - Dalton mentioned that Joel Richardson is going to do a deep dive into the antichrist over the next couple of weeks.

So looking forward to that.