The word Rapture isnt in the Latin Vulgate and the dangerous etymology of the word

The word Rapture is used in the church and I have been trying to dissociate from actually using the word.

As no one has looked up the connotations

I am going to quote the Latin Vulgate

deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

Jerome, Saint; Challoner, Richard. The Parallel English - Latin Vulgate Bible: With Latin Dictionary References . Amazon.com. Kindle Edition.

The word is not even rapture it is rapiemur, the root word of the latin word is the latin word rapio

Know what do you ask what does this word mean in other latin literature

But first English Literature this is what people thought it mean before the 1600's

1594 G. Chapman Σκíα Νυκτóς sig. Aij, It is an exceeding rapture of delight in the deepe search of knowledge”¥that maketh men manfully indure th'extremes incident to that Herculean labour.
1603 M. Drayton Barrons Wars iii. lviii. 67 Those pleasing raptures from her graces rise, Strongly inuading his impressive breast.
1642 Milton Apol. Smectymnuus in Wks. (1851) III. 287 This manӴsees truth as in a rapture, and cleaves to it.
1744 J. Wesley & C. Wesley Coll. Psalms & Hymns (ed. 3) i. 55 If aught can there enhance their Bliss Or raise their Raptures higher.
1762 O. Goldsmith Citizen of World I. 36 He is instantly in raptures at so great an improvement.
https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3151

The Latin rapiemur is Saint Jerome's translation of the Greek word ἁρπαγησόμεθα. This is a faithful translation, using a form of the Latin verb rapiō, "to catch up" or "take away". […]

"Rapture" is an English noun derived from the Latin verb rapiō, with a literal meaning of "I catch up" "or "I snatch" (from the infinitive form of the verb rapere, "to catch up"; "rapture" is also cognate to the English words "rapids", "ravish", and "rape").
https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3151

If you look up other literature using perses search
Perses search is a general latin search
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/wordfreq?lang=la&lookup=rapio

theses are some uses of the word in other literature

The noun rapture itself was etymologically problematic: according to the OED, post-classical Latin raptura was variously used to mean poaching, rape, and abduction. And similar meanings carried on to some extent in English:

1595 F. Sabie Fissher-mans Tale sig. Cv, Priams famous towne, Nere bought so deare the rapture of faire Hellen.
1600 T. Dekker Old Fortunatus sig. H4v, That feare, Which her late violent rapture cast vpon her.
1612 Life & Death Lewis Gaufredy sig. C1, Great bitternes and affliction, as hers was after the rapture of her childe.
?1615 G. Chapman tr. Homer Odysses (new ed.) xx. 485 My women servants dragg'd about my house To lust and rapture
1632 G. Sandys tr. Ovid Metamorphosis (new ed.) v. 171 Lo, I the man, that will vpon thy life Reuenge, said he, the rapture of my wife.

It literally means rape and the word rapture is not used in the vulgate it is rapiemur

The other thing that people say is that people use the greek word aJrpavzw Harpazo ( I cant use Greek fonts in the chat)

[ 1th.4.17 ] επειτα [THEN] ημεις [WE] οι [THE] ζωντες [LIVING] οι [WHO] περιλειπομενοι [REMAIN,] αμα [TOGETHER] συν [WITH] αυτοις [THEM] αρπαγησομεθα [SHALL BE CAUGHT AWAY] εν [IN "THE"] νεφελαις [CLOUDS] εις [FOR "THE"] απαντησιν [MEETING] του [OF THE] κυριου [LORD] εις [IN "THE"] αερα [AIR;] και [AND] ουτως [THUS] παντοτε [ALWAYS] συν [WITH "THE"] κυριω [LORD] εσομεθα [WE SHALL BE.]

Dickey, Joshua. The Complete Koine-English Reference Bible: New Testament, Septuagint and Strong's Concordance (Kindle Locations 409664-409676). . Kindle Edition.

The common misconception is that Elijah was raptured and others were raptured but the problem is we have the septugient

αρπαζω occurs 30 times in the OT. ge.37.33 ; le.6.4 ; le.19.13 ; de.28.31 ; 2sa.23.21 ; job.20.19 ; job.24.2 ; job.24.9 ; job.24.19 ; ps.7.2 ; ps.10.9 ; ps.10.9 ; ps.22.13 ; ps.50.22 ; ps.104.21 ; is.10.2 ; eze.18.7 ; eze.18.12 ; eze.18.16 ; eze.18.18 ; eze.19.3 ; eze.19.6 ; eze.22.25 ; eze.22.27 ; ho.5.14 ; am.1.11 ; am.3.4 ; mic.3.2 ; mic.5.8 ; na.2.12 ;

Dickey, Joshua. The Complete Koine-English Reference Bible: New Testament, Septuagint and Strong's Concordance (Kindle Locations 9177-9185). . Kindle Edition.

These are all the references to harpizo in the greek septugient and believe none of them refers to elijah or Enoch being raptured

The first reference is in Genesis

ge.37.33 ] και [AND] επεγνω [RECOGNIZED] αυτον [HIM] και [AND] ειπεν [SAID] χιτων [THE GARMENT] του [THE] υιου [SON] μου [MY] εστιν [IS] θηριον [WILD BEAST] πονηρον [EVIL] κατεφαγεν [DEVOURED] αυτον [HIM] θηριον [WILD BEAST] ηρπασεν [HE SEIZED BY FORCE] τον [THE] ιωσηφ [IOSEHF]

Dickey, Joshua. The Complete Koine-English Reference Bible: New Testament, Septuagint and Strong's Concordance (Kindle Locations 154416-154425). . Kindle Edition.

These are the new testament times when the word
αρπαζω occurs 13 times in the NT. mt.11.12 ; mt.13.19 ; jn.6.15 ; jn.10.12 ; jn.10.28 ; jn.10.29 ; ac.8.39 ; ac.23.10 ; 2co.12.2 ; 2co.12.4 ; 1th.4.17 ; jud.1.23 ; rev.12.5 ;

Dickey, Joshua. The Complete Koine-English Reference Bible: New Testament, Septuagint and Strong's Concordance (Kindle Locations 9173-9176). . Kindle Edition.

I wish people were honest with the use of this word

Why as christians are we using a word that literally mean rape, when we talk about the rapture of the church and why are we using a latin catholic word when the bible is written in greek

Rapture, on the other hand, is not found in classical Latin, though it does appear in mediaeval Latin. The earliest citation the OED provides is from an 8th-century British text, in the form raptura, referring to "poaching". Its use in English, however, originally is confined to the sense (attested from the 16th century) of "extreme joy, intense delight". Though it was also used in the 17th and 18th centuries to refer to the "carrying off" or "rape" of women.
http://staefcraeft.blogspot.com/2011/05/rapture-now-with-more-harpies.html

It is not a classical latin word but a medievel latin word

Why do we even use this word I believe in a post tribulation resurrection as I refuse to use a word that means rape of the church.

The term resserection is better.

I am shocked that noone has realised that the word rapture literally means rape in Latin

Hi Deltadom,
What word would you use for Elijah being taken?
Resurrection doesnt fit well or Jesus going back up ?as he is already been resurrected,
urs staff

Being taken up is fine but the word is not used in this passage in the septugient , going back with jesus resserection would fit fine.

In the early church fathers they used the word resserection in 1 Thess 4

Harpizo which is the word used here
αρπαζω occurs 30 times in the OT. ge.37.33 ; le.6.4 ; le.19.13 ; de.28.31 ; 2sa.23.21 ; job.20.19 ; job.24.2 ; job.24.9 ; job.24.19 ; ps.7.2 ; ps.10.9 ; ps.10.9 ; ps.22.13 ; ps.50.22 ; ps.104.21 ; is.10.2 ; eze.18.7 ; eze.18.12 ; eze.18.16 ; eze.18.18 ; eze.19.3 ; eze.19.6 ; eze.22.25 ; eze.22.27 ; ho.5.14 ; am.1.11 ; am.3.4 ; mic.3.2 ; mic.5.8 ; na.2.12

What I wonder is how the word got from rapiemur to rapture as it is middle Latin the word rapture from the 16th century

Who was the culprit , was it John Nelson Darby or was it someone else !

The reason I don't use it as the word resserection dissconnects it from the term resserection that is used in the gospels and the old testament

1 Thess 4
17Whe these words. deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus

The other pet peeve I hate is when people talk about the gog and Magog war and it is specifically a verse that states in at the end of the millennium , it so frustrating of people ignoring the obvious in scripture or trying to link things that are not there

rapture (n.)
c. 1600, "act of carrying off" as prey or plunder, from rapt + -ure, or else from French rapture, from Medieval Latin raptura "seizure, rape, kidnapping," from Latin raptus "a carrying off, abduction, snatching away; rape" (see rapt). The earliest attested use in English is with women as objects and in 17c. it sometimes meant rape (v.), which word is a cognate of this one.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/rapture

Hi Delta,
I think alot off people realize it isnt in the bible but use it because everyone understands straight away what they are talking about.Granted their are many people that dont realize its not there.
What about the word "translated" which I see now that its used in the likes of the King James and American Standard but not in the New King James or the New American Standard to describe Enoch's move to heaven in Hebrews 11:5?,
urs staff

What most people don't realise that it is not in the Vulgate Latin bible text
Translated is fine any word other than the word rapture :)

I wonder who decided to use this word originally and where did it come from ? The thing is with that phrase it is a 16th century Latin phrase the term rapture

The thing is even the concept of a pre trib rapture isn't in scripture as you do not have a clear saying that before the tribulation the resserection happens

I always use the term resserection but for use cases such as Enoch

The thing is if it is not in the bible why do people use it :(

Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him,. If we want to be biblical it uses the hebrew word
לָקַ֥ח lacah

Hi Delta,
I am not a fan of the post trib view as I genuinely can only see the great tribulation as the world being in a dreadful,awful state worse than both world wars put together and everywhere being effected with no exception,famine disease and wars.For me this scenario doesnt fit with a post trib translation.The world would have to be in a fairly funcitonal state for the post trib view to be correct.
Secondary to that I dont know the physical mechanism God uses to protect the Church from his wrath during the tribulation.

Im happy to use translation but nobody will know what im talking about,
urs staff

Should we be true to what the bible says even if we do not like it