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sermonindex Jul 26, 2005

So you want to trust in your works, right? You are living a life of ease and things are just wonderful all about. God has been using you and you are getting recognition and you just can't help but be proud of yourself. Hmmmm. In another thread, a brother posted the following scripture.......Ezekiel 33:12Therefore you, O son of man, say to the children of your people: "The righteousness of the righteous man shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression; as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall because of it in the day that he turns from his wickedness; nor shall the righteous be able to live because of his righteousness in the day that he sins.' 13When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. 17"Yet the children of your people say, "The way of the LORD is not fair.' But it is their way which is not fair! 18When the righteous turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he shall die because of it.Oh God have mercy on me.If the unmertied favor of God does not overshadow His word through Ezekiel, I'm hurting. I'm headed for a BBQ and it aint' in Texas. Jesus is my only Hope. Oh God save me by the blood of the Lamb.Broken and spilled out,Lahry

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TiltedHalo Jul 26, 2005

The beauty of brokenness

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ellie Jul 29, 2005

Quote: You are living a life of ease and things are just wonderful all about. God has been using you and you are getting recognition and you just can't help but be proud of yourself. Hmmmm.Do you not think that the "Proud" that you felt, is a humble, well pleased, having done servie for God and succeeded and completed a purpose for God. Happy that you have fulfilled a purpose?I know what pride is and try not to have that. but this is the way I feel sometimes.Like When I sing and worship him I am pleased that I make an effort in worship to him and that he fills my worship to him, with himselfI also at times, I kind of beam sometimes, if I feel that say, I have overcome a struggle or done a purpose for God that day. Quietly being pleased with having made the effort.What do you think?

sermonindex Jul 29, 2005

This was a good thread also.https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5621&forum=34&8

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TiltedHalo Jul 30, 2005

Hm. I can understand where you stand, I stand in that same place. But I don't think we can excuse it as a humble way of being pleased to what we have "done". I KNOW I can feel spiritually proud because I "praised well" that night, or I felt as if my worship was a sweet smelling aroma to His nostrils. I do not like that feeling. I believe that exalting oneself spiritually cannot be umbrella'ed under humility.An excerpt from The Ragamuffin Gospel:A humble woman seeks me out because of my vaunted reputation as a spiritual guide. She is simple and direct:"Please teach me how to pray."Tersely, I inquire, "Tell me about your prayer life."She lowers her eyes and says contritely, "There's not much to tell. I say grace before meals."Haughtily, I reply, "You say grace before meals! Isn't that nice, Madam. I say grace upon waking and before retiring, and grace again before reading the newspaper and turning on the television. I say grace before ambulation and meditating, before the theater and the opera, before jogging, swimming, biking, dining, lecturing, and writing. I even say grace before saying grace."That night, soggy with self-approval, I go before the Lord. And He whispers, "You ungrateful turd. Even the desire to say grace is iteself My gift."When will WE realize that we cannot impress God?In Christ

sermonindex Jul 30, 2005

His love, the only crucifier of 'self'."If we focus on just one bad trait/habit of our flesh/Self, then we'll see it in everybody else. Better to just cry out to God to put Self, itself, on the Cross and ask He remind us and help us to keep it there, by His Word. Give us Your Love God.""He who sees himself as humble, has ceased to be."Phi 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others as better than themselves. Phi 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. (concern/compassion)Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Phi 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.Joy = J for Jesus - O for Others - Y for you, last.1Co 13:4 Love has patience, is kind; charity is not envious, is not vain, is not puffed up.1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the Truth .Love is the guaranteed antidote to pride(Self), and we're to love each other enough to die for each other. As those in the Coliseums, covered their brothers with themselves, so the lion would kill them instead.Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 1Pe 4:8 and above all things, have Fervent love among yourselves, because love will cover a multitude of sins. Prov. 10:12 After all the great works that Hudson Taylor had done, he said something to the affect of, ' In my strongest prayers, and best of preaching, etc., I still see the tinge of 'flesh' (self) in all of my deeds.Paul said, "not that I have already 'attained' ... "Pride is just another word for "flesh or Self", and from all the great men we read about, it's a battle till we're with the Lord. But HE must do the work, or it's still "self". We can only cry out, in the privacy of our own prayer closets. "To be like Him." Self-sacrificial.Pride is just a portion of 'self', so it's not the pride that needs the focus, it's the 'Self' needing crucifixion.Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am ! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord ! ....Love is the antidote to self. The Apostle John learned this best of all. His Love through us and ours crucified.

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ellie Jul 30, 2005

'Humble'Perhaps the wrong word to use.Message in books 'The Ragamuffin Gospel”I am not going to go around depressed and battering myself with scripture, and interpretations of messages in books. I didn’t like the set out of that interpretation, very much. Its the Book I object to not 'You'.And some of the scripture from Grannie, could lead me to feeling unhappy.If we took all of the scripture, and used all in daily life. It would be like being in a straight jacket, when would we be cheerful, with maturity.When it is pride, I know because God convicts me of it. He shows me many things this way. I walk with God and I praise him for helping me, I praise him, giving thanks to him when he has me do things for him, I laugh with him. I experience him, lifting me up in my spirit. Up as if in the heavenlies and his love for me it is so wonderful, it near takes my breath away. And yet there are many situations that I have faced and that have been so painful and this is when I have relied on him and cried to him and asked of him and I waited on him. I have been looking to him throughout 20yrs of my life. He is my Father.It mainly began in 1986 I would say, “God there is no one, not one living person on this earth to help me, God you have the power and I look to you, God help me and my children.” 1986 Up until 1993 I knew God had power but I could only see him as a dot, way-out in space. I used to tell him this. I used to say, “I know you have the power but are you really there, you only seem like a dot in the sky.” I continued to talk to him and pray to him throughout the following years. There were times that he did move on situations. I thanked him gratefully.In 1993 I showed him, that I willed to walk his way with him, during 3 months in repentance to him and at the end of 3 Months. [I was near dying and giving up with all the terrible struggles. My mother saw How ill I was and went home and she and a friend prayed fervently to God for me.Four days later, he filled me with his Holy Spirit, it was awesome etc..... he filled me with the Holy Spirit in my own home and it was on an Easter Sunday. I had not attended church up to that point.I had made contact with two churches 1896 and 1990. So prayer will have been said by them. There had been prayer for me throughout the years by my mother and her friends. My mother is now 78My life has been like a war zone for 20yrs. He has saved me from many snares. He is with me every second of every day. I know that the scripture is Holy and I take it seriously and God in reverence of his Holiness.I have told you all of this that you might appreciate the relationship we have.And there is much substance missing to the above as I have not written it all in detail.He has collected all my tearsin a jar, nothing that I have gone through in the past 20 yrs will be wasted; God is going to use it all for good. I am waiting on him as. I look for the full healing for my physical health. In his timing.Bye the way I am not perfect. I repent of sin in thought, word, and deed as and when it occurs. I can however be unable to forgive at times this is something I work on.I have recently been given some scripture by someone on this site it is extremly useful and definitly came from God, to this person for me. I am nearer to fully forgiving.My younger brother, often will say you keep a short account of sins, I say it happens automatically, as soon as I know of it.Now my Brother who also had a wonderful experience of God, has such a close walk with God. All of self strictly given to God. I know God has a certain purpose for him. His Fiancé has the same kind of walk and I know they are both going to do Gods bidding and will.God is going to use My Brother and I in different ways and requires certain things of he and I, so that the work he has for each of us, will be done.I know this is lengthy.The Greatest thing I know is, God is my Father.One of my favourite hymns.....Great is thy faithfulness oh! God my Father,Morning by morning new mercies I see,All I have needed thy hand hath provide,Great is thy faithfulness, God unto me.ellie

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TiltedHalo Jul 30, 2005

Not lengthy enough lol.Now ellie, I knew you would take that situation in less of a good & receiving light. That is the way I received it. But with revelation & prayer & counsel I realized, the depiction of Brennan is somewhat mine. My head gets all blown-up because I later realized that I was the only one bowing on my knees, I was the only one with tear-filled eyes, I was the one screaming the loudest because the Spirit moved me, I was the only one who was quoting scripture, I was the only one who, to me, did an awesome night in worshipping the Lord. A shame is what it is.I am not attacking you either ellie, I am attacking the pride that errupts in our spirits when we think we did such a great job at last tuesdays prayer service. Not feeling this doesn't mean we have to wallow in self pity at a job poorly done, but we need to keep out feet grounded in thanksgiving, not drowned in a pool of "job-well-done'.And the comment about Grannie, I believe nothing in Scripture can lead you to the feeling of unhappiness. Yes cheerful, not patting ourselves on our own back, even quietly.I pray you receive these things in loveIn Him

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ellie Jul 30, 2005

TiltedHaloYour Quote ” My head gets all blown-up because I later realized that I was the only one bowing on my knees, I was the only one with tear-filled eyes, I was the one screaming the loudest because the Spirit moved me, I was the only one who was quoting scripture, I was the only one who, to me, did an awesome night in worshipping the Lord. A shame is what it is “Well if that’s what you did after, then you have reason to come before God with it all.Your Quote: “we need to keep our feet grounded in thanksgiving”That’s what I do.Your Quote: “And the comment about Grannie, I believe nothing in Scripture can lead you to the feeling of unhappiness.”It most certainly can cause unhappiness and self quotes from where ever, when some of them do not apply to the person that is receiving them. Your Quote “Yes cheerful, not patting ourselves on our own back, even quietly.”I have a most wonderful walk with God that incorporates our relationship, through the Holy Spirit. God is my Father.I worship the Lord in all truth of his word. He delights my soul, he fills my spirit. I abound in his Love. Amenellie

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TiltedHalo Jul 31, 2005

hey El =)I don't think you are understanding my point.I am not questioning your walk with God whatsoever.I am talking about knowing how we can soak ourselves in self-approval in how well we did in worshipping Him. Understand? I have done it and am sure I will again.We get this feeling of "I" did a great job. When the very desire came from Him, we were responsible for NOTHING, except making ourselves available ... and even the desire to do so comes from the Other up above. It gets to His Supreme Sovereignty.But this is my point:I am addressing your original post; to feel that feeling, even quietly about doing a service well done to God, in my opinion, isn't a healthy feeling. You are giving yourself all of the credit. YES you are giving God all the praise & honour but you are exalting yourself saying "It was ME who worshipped." Understand?When we should all just be thankful. Period. That He can use such empty vessels.In Him

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ellie Jul 31, 2005

You say 'we' a lot. and that I don't understand. I refuse, your explanation of what I might feel or think or conduct myself etc.I also refuse and don't include myself in your replies. My thoughts and my ways do not incoparate self admiration.Please let it be noted that I do not think or feel as TiltedHalo and so would like not to be classed of, as having the same thinking, feeling or doing etc as, TiltedHalo.I would ask that you refrain from posting your explanations of the above about me.One thing I would like to say is, I thank God that he would choose me at all. I walk with him, we walk together. He loves me, I love him, he is my Father we laugh together. He lifts my Spirit. Amen I have been walking with him for many years, through many painful trials. I have looked to him in the darkness, in the night, ill unable to sleep, crying, in fear. He has saved me from snares set for me. He has kept me, from terrible destruction.He has carried me, healed me, over and over. What more can I say. The fruition of this particular journey is yet to come to fruition.How stronger I am now, than at the beginning. And I press forward with Him.Thankyouellie

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TiltedHalo Jul 31, 2005

Again, you continue to try to defend your walk & relationship with the Lord in which I have spoken not a thing of. That is awesome that you can experience communion with Abba. But again, this strays from my point. The issue isn't our relationship with the Other, it is the internal relationship with ourselves per se.I will only go by your very first post; and frankly that is self-approval. Period. The reason I use 'we' is because I do it also. I am not only typing to you; I am typing to myself as well. Have you ever caught yourself imparting some new found truths to someone and you realize God is speaking to you, through you?Again, and I will try to state this as clearly as possible: I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOUR WALK WITH DADDY. okay?I am speaking of that feeling that "we" (And I can include you in this because with self admission you have felt "a job well done" in praise) get when we meet a certain presupposition of praise & worship that was self-induced into our thoughts. That is all.In His Name

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ellie Jul 31, 2005

In your thread to me Quote: Again, and I will try to state this as clearly as possible: I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOUR WALK WITH DADDY. okay?The above and further rude content to me in your threads to me, is Sarcasm with purpose to Humiliate.You have just demeaned God with the above.I have answered your questions to me, in a very polite and very patient manner. If you read the two threads carefully without sarcasm in you, you should be able to see that I have answered you. You choose to however, reply rudely, with sarcasm in your threads with an insistence that, you need to keep repeating YOUR points.I asked you in my last thread not to post anymore to me and you ignored my request.So I am asking again please do not send any more threads to me.I will complain about content and manner towards me if you send another one.Ellie.

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TiltedHalo Aug 1, 2005

I am not going to leave your reply unansered & Whoa whoa whoa ... Ellie. Just because I called Father God, Daddy doesn't mean I am being sarcastic whatsoever. I am not DEMEANING Abba whatsoever. God is my Lord, My Saviour, My Friend, My Governor, My DADDY also. If you take offense to the way I can call God Daddy, then maybe you need to check yourself.I haven't come out in any which way or form that demeans God OR you. Why are you so offended?I was trying to impart, what I feel, is some important truths. And I was trying not to be so impersonal by incorporating myself in this "self-approving" emotion that you get when you worship which ISN'T a healthy feeling. Now if you do not agree with that then that is another issue but do inject these false truths in my own words. No need to try to throw a monkey wrench into this conversation.If you are not willing to receive something that a fellow believer has felt & learned from then maybe there is a bigger problem than you taking credit for a gift that has been graciously given to you.Good Day

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TiltedHalo Aug 1, 2005

ellie wrote:Quote: You are living a life of ease and things are just wonderful all about. God has been using you and you are getting recognition and you just can't help but be proud of yourself. Hmmmm.Do you not think that the "Proud" that you felt, is a humble, well pleased, having done servie for God and succeeded and completed a purpose for God. Happy that you have fulfilled a purpose?I know what pride is and try not to have that. but this is the way I feel sometimes.Like When I sing and worship him I am pleased that I make an effort in worship to him and that he fills my worship to him, with himselfI also at times, I kind of beam sometimes, if I feel that say, I have overcome a struggle or done a purpose for God that day. Quietly being pleased with having made the effort.What do you think?I gave you my thoughts and then you want to complain that I did?

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ellie Aug 1, 2005

Quote: 'what do you think'I was asking Lahry the person who Posted the subject. To whose Posting I was replying to.You keep putting things on me, telling me what I do, what I believe. You tell me what I should do. Correcting me on, your issues. Telling me, chastiseing me. How old are you?I am 55 years Old wiser by far than you. Thats more than Half a Century.You have charged headlong in at me. I refuse all the bad things that you have put on me. You should be careful what you put on people. Thankfully, I know how to refuse it.You go far to far.One error did not put the capital B there was a fullstop however after..... that.I know what pride is and try not to have that. but this is the way I feel sometimes.Like When I sing and worship him I am pleased that I make an effort in worship to him and that he fills my worship to him, with himselfTHIS IS HOW IT SHOULD READ.............I know what pride is and try not to have that. But this is the way I feel sometimes.Like When I sing and worship him I am pleased that I make an effort in worship to him and that he fills my worship to him, with himself.My mistake however does not justify the barage you have put my way. Take note again, I do not do anything that, you say I do. ellie

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ellie Aug 1, 2005

You keep putting things on me, telling me what I do, what I believe. You tell me what I should do. Correcting me on, your issues. Telling me, chastiseing me. How old are you?I am 55 years Old wiser by far than you. Thats more than Half a Century.You have charged headlong in at me. I refuse all the bad things that you have put on me. You should be careful what you put on people. Thankfully, I know how to refuse it.You go far to far.ellie

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ellie Aug 1, 2005

Good Title you chose Lahry..... Fits the description of Tiltedhalo and ellie.Gut Wrenching....... Tiltedhalo and I are surely putting your rateings up, you never know you might get into the TOP TEN Listings yet.Although don't hold your breath, coz these Threads are wearing me out. Well, I am more than Half a Century Old, havent got a zimmer frame, or a walking stick. I'll still be standing on two feet when I'm 110 years old. Probably still placeing Threads on here.Time for a cup of English Tea.ellie

sermonindex Aug 1, 2005

Hi Ellie, I try to abide by Prov. 26:17, but my name's been mentioned twice too, so this isn't exactly "meddling".I don't believe "age" has a thing to do with our behavior or knowledge or stand before God or not even can "experiences" qualify us as superior in any way to other Christians, so I believe we are All Ageless in that regard, in God's eyes.I too am past the 1/2 Century mark, but I've met young teens who have behaved better than most adults on forums and knew the Lord better than those saved 30 yr.s or more.Nothing is an accident, with God. Every person we meet is to bring out what's really inside of us. If we think some are worth talking to and others aren't, then we've missed a wonderful opportunity to allow God to use them, to 'grow' us. Regardless of age, how long saved, etc. etc.. Rom 8:28 is FOR 8:29. They are one verse actually, not two.There are NO coincidences with God, and each person that is on this forum is to Grow us, in one way or another and we are to just Love them and thank God for this opportunity to see ourselves for what we really are and use them to 'grow' us.If someone was saved Yesterday, and was younger than me, ta-boot, I would listen to every word they say, because the Holy Spirit dwells in them Too, and He may use them to teach me or share a Word that's directly from God Himself.I don't know how old Tilted Halo is, or whether they are a male or female ... but I believe (and I've read this thread a few times now) that TH has been nothing but polite.As far as your complaints about my posts ... I will post them again here and you can critique them for us.Especially the Scripture Verses that I used, that you said ... Ellie;And some of the scripture from Grannie, could lead me to feeling unhappy.If we took all of the scripture, and used all in daily life. It would be like being in a straight jacket, when would we be cheerful, with maturity.His Love to you.AnniePost one:This is another good thread.https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5621&forum=34&8Post two:His love, the only crucifier of 'self'."If we focus on just one bad trait/habit of our flesh/Self, then we'll see it in everybody else. Better to just cry out to God to put Self, itself, on the Cross and ask He remind us and help us to keep it there, by His Word. Give us Your Love God.""He who sees himself as humble, has ceased to be."Phi 2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others as better than themselves. Phi 2:4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. (concern/compassion)Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Phi 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.Joy = J for Jesus - O for Others - Y for you, last.1Co 13:4 Love has patience, is kind; charity is not envious, is not vain, is not puffed up.1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the Truth .Love is the guaranteed antidote to pride(Self), and we're to love each other enough to die for each other. As those in the Coliseums, covered their brothers with themselves, so the lion would kill them instead.Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 1Pe 4:8 and above all things, have Fervent love among yourselves, because love will cover a multitude of sins. Prov. 10:12After all the great works that Hudson Taylor had done, he said something to the affect of, ' In my strongest prayers, and best of preaching, etc., I still see the tinge of 'flesh' (self) in all of my deeds.Paul said, "not that I have already 'attained' ... "Pride is just another word for "flesh or Self", and from all the great men we read about, it's a battle till we're with the Lord. But HE must do the work, or it's still "self".We can only cry out, in the privacy of our own prayer closets. "To be like Him." Self-sacrificial.Pride is just a portion of 'self', so it's not the pride that needs the focus, it's the 'Self' needing crucifixion.Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am ! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord ! ....Love is the antidote to self. The Apostle John learned this best of all.His Love through us and ours crucified.

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ellie Aug 1, 2005

STOP THE ATTACKS TOWARD ME AND MY WALK WITH GODNot to offend you but...I reject. What you say.In reply to you. Not all things said on this site are edifying.Quote:I try to abide by Prov. 26:17, but my name's been mentioned twice too, so this isn't exactly "meddling".It is meddling...The reference to you, was actually a response to your Thread to me. that in fact I did not want to engage in.I am an individual human being as each of us are God made us that way.Tiltedhalo has got me, like yourself also, in totally the wrong concept.And now, you!! are telling what I should recieve from another person,and yourself. TOTAL RUBBISH and again, I refuse such nonsence.And there has been a great deal of rudness towards me from Tiltedhalo. And now from you.Please can you both stop enforceing your opinionsON ME!Because God does not have those opinions of me.It would seem to me that some people are just browbeaters.STOP THE ATTACKS TOWARD ME AND MY WALK WITH GOD.ellie'Jesus was a man of few words.