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Mekdi Jul 30, 2005

If anyone have an opinion on this I welcome it.My husband who was unbeliever so far, started attending church before a couple of months- (I would like to thank some of the saints here who were with me in prayer all the way through until it is answered) Praise God! One thing that marvels me about my husband is the way he witness Christ even before he decided to attend church. He always boldly witness Christ- His colleagues used to report this to me. Even the believers who worked with him told me that whenever religious debate started at their office café when employees gather there for tea- The believers say they always leave the matter to my husband (in my country if you say anything against angelic and the virgin Mary worship you are hated for 80% of the population believe on that the major religion of the country being orthodox Christianity more like the Catholics, what they defer is the ones in our country believe on arks and really worship arks) But my husband boldly shows people that it is only Jesus Christ that saves saying things against all these! Recently he was at Dubai for a meeting with his colleagues. his superiors were there with him also. He told me that He argued with them about Christ- reasoning with them, clearing the false name that is on believers and boldly claiming that he is not one of them but he is a protestant ( if you say that in our country it means you only believe on Jesus for your salvation and you end up your good social life at the same time) One man- from the top management promised him that he will go home and read his bible and would call my husband to let him know his decision about following Christ. The others opposed but the seed is already there. Praise God! How can he come to witness Christ even before he was saved?! Your opinions here.Your sis. Mek

sermonindex Jul 30, 2005

Wow Medki, that's a strong testimony.It is hard to believe that your husband "wasn't" saved during that time. His heart was behind his beliefs and he acted on that belief, at the risk of being ostracized by those on his job, plus.There's some Christians that wouldn't even do that.He "believed in his heart, therefore he spoke" or "confessed" Christ to people ... so, according to Romans, that sounds "saved" to me.You must be very proud. God has truly blessed you. And your husband. Praise The Lord !!!Annie

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letsgetbusy Jul 30, 2005

I think that I have a good opinion of this, as this was also me. Before I repented, and was converted, I also spoke and defended the name of Christ on occasion.I was at this point, just like John Wesley, who before his conversion, went so far as to preach the gospel in America, and later commented that he preached the gospel, "not as I ought, but as I was able."This concept simply supports the idea that we are God's elect (Ephesians 1:4-5: "he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world...Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself"), and are being drawn by the Father toward Christ, even before our conversion. Wesley called this prevenient grace, that explains, "Fallen man has no desire to seek salvation, and cannot unless God calls him!" -From Prevenient Grace by Jeff PatonJohn Calvin described this as "irresistable grace" in one of his five points of Calvinism. These are the two major sides (freewill vs. predestination or Arminianism vs. Calvinism) that debate over the details of the fundamental truth that God calls us out of sin, this doctrine being found in John 6:44:"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him."It is an interesting study that almost all have a differing opinion on, but remember to stick to Scripture and the teaching of the Holy Spirit through prayer, and, "he will guide you into all truth..." John 16:13

sermonindex Jul 30, 2005

Mekdi,I believe John Wesley was in this strange position also. He knew of the baptism of the Holy Spirit and preached it, but, had not received it himself. Many responded through his declaration of the whole gospel, even though he was also seeking a deeper measure for himself. It may be that someone can direct you to John Wesley's testimony on this matter, which may help you to place your husband in the frame somewhere. He sure sounds like one who is destined to preach...

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Compton Jul 30, 2005

Hello Medki,Here is a link to a Wesley sermon where he shared the testimony that was mentioned here by Dorcas and Letsgetbusy. (As I recall, the religous people he preached this too weren't overly receptive...)The Almost ChristianHere are some exerpts from that infamous sermon that do seem to bear a resemblance to the information you shared regarding your husband. Of course this resemblance is not absolute...but maybe this is helpful." I did go thus far for many years, as many of this place can testify; using diligence to eschew all evil, and to have a conscience void of offence; redeeming the time; buying up every opportunity of doing all good to all men; constantly and carefully using all the public and all the private means of grace; endeavouring after a steady seriousness of behaviour, at all times, and in all places; and, God is my record, before whom I stand, doing all this in sincerity; having a real design to serve God; a hearty desire to do his will in all things; to please him who had called me to "fight the good fight," and to "lay hold of eternal life." Yet my own conscience beareth me witness in the Holy Ghost, that all this time I was but almost a Christian.May we all thus experience what it is to be, not almost only; but altogether Christians; being justified freely by his grace, through the redemption that is in Jesus; knowing we have peace with God through Jesus Christ; rejoicing in hope of the glory of God; and having the love of God shed abroad in our hearts, by the Holy Ghost given unto us!John Wesley (25th July 1741)"Blessings,MC

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Mekdi Aug 1, 2005

Bless you all for your opinions, I always foresee these things on my husband inspite of the difficult characters he is displaying presently. “you’re not too far from the kingdom” says Christ. You helped me to pray more for my husband seeing Wesley’s testimony that I may not be deceived by the present condition but to pray more until he is altogether a Christian. (brother MC for your surprise I read the text the Almost Christian last week and was very much challenged for my own life I didn’t see it for my husband until you stated it) May the Lord fulfill his purpose on my husband and on us all! God bless you allMek.

sermonindex Aug 1, 2005

May the Lord fulfill his purpose on my husband and on us all! God bless you allMek.Amen. And thank you Mekdi.

sermonindex Aug 1, 2005

Daddy never went to church on SundaysHe said that's one thing I'll never doMama never gave up she said one dayHe'll be setting here beside me in the pewI can still here mama softly talkingHer tears falling on her folded handsThat Easter Sunday my daddy walked inThat's when I began to understandWhen Mama prayed, good things happenedWhen Mama prayed, life would changeNot much more than five feet tallBut mountains big and small, crumbled all awayWhen Mama prayed(by Randy Travis)

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saved_matt Aug 1, 2005

all i can say here is to give a word of testimony regarding the questions of evangelism before salvation. Before i was saved i used to very often argue from a pro-christian point of view, even to the point of yammering on for 3 hours in the pub one night (whilst drunk) all about how evolution is wrong and creationism is right with a friend of mine who had recently completed his degree in a biological field (i forget what) and of course because he hadn't been taught how to counter creationism he had no response, also i never did like it when people blasphemed even before the Lord dealt with my own sin.This is i admit different from preaching Christ whilst being unsaved, I pray your husband will come to Christ very soon and evangelize in the power of the Holy Spirit.

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arbustum Aug 2, 2005

just a question, to those who defended Christ before they were 'saved', was it anything like this:you knew the basics behind proper christianity, that being the following of the Christ, noone else! except you refused to call him your Lord and saviour at that stage, knowing the basics you argued on the truth? was it out of frustration becuase people were trying to pass judgements not really knowing what they were talking about? i want to understand what brought you to defend him before you loved him enough to relinquish your life to his cause. because of my dad, i was always hearing how God existed, but never anything on Jesus and the Holy spirit becuase he dindt and and to this day doesnt give them any notice instead he talks to God in prayer, he'll only adress God, but he wont claim jesus's name above his circumstances come hard times because he doesnt understand the principal of Knowing Jesus first then using Jesus as the bridge between himself and God, but thats different again, sorry to take this off on sich a tangent... anyway when you think about it, i see people with these awesome traits, infact i see Godly knowledge and wisdom in them, and yet, they've not known Christ. instead they have stumbled on these principles and live them out in their everyday lives, just as common sense. can you remember where your mind and heart were at?

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crsschk Aug 5, 2005

O my...My dear friend Mek, (We have had a bit of conversation in the past). This is truly astounding in not only what has and is transpiring but the uncanny similarities and the follow ups here.This I believe speaks volumes:“you’re not too far from the kingdom” says Christ.Even coming from my own personal... events leading up to a more solidified commitment, how far back one could go. Thoughts of God at a very early age, Church upbringing, the rebellious years, the confusion years. Like Aregay in some fashion there were things I 'knew' but hadn't assimilated perhaps while at the same time resisting the strong demands on my soul, yes, almost 'Christian'. Took me a bit, but dug up an old ditty I remember writing back in the 'Garage Band' days. We never got anywhere and looking back on it, it is very strange as I was 'far' from the Kingdom, didn't own a bible, wasn't even going to church then. Seem to recall it being around the aftermath of the whole PTL scandal and must have gathered it out of various misgivings from televangelists, stranger still, this was prior to becoming sucked in to the very things I was writing about... Almost prophetic looking at it now and not very eloquent...Don't Feed The Vultures Make a vow, you in despairTo nourish our appetiteTo show the Lord you careFeed us your titheEvery weekYour soul has no costTo high, to steepFalse wind of doctrineBeware of their powerCircling high aboveSearching out their prey,The desolate they devourVolatile. The easy mealThey say "Without you brother,we can no longer heal"Dependant on the feebleThey sell you a lieAnd put on a spectacleRight before your eye'sFalse winds of doctrineUnder their wings they glideThe vultures of deceptionDrop from the skyVery much a rough draft, but it was something that I look back at in wonder, where it came from. I would have never thought of myself as a Christian then, at least not in the fashion I had imagined one to be. All this to say... I just don't know, how these things can be. Where the impulse comes from, well in hindsight surely, but at the time, to be on the 'outside' in that sense and yet... defending. Even recalling another topic mentioned awhile back here about taking the Lords name in vain and our response's to it, recall from those days past jumping to defend Gods name or Jesus', when it was used in such vulgar fashion with a "What does God/Jesus have to do with it?" Which usually would be met with silence. Strange, that compulsion coming from a hypocrite.Very much on the same line as the questions raised by arbustum:just a question, to those who defended Christ before they were 'saved', was it anything like this: you knew the basics behind proper christianity, that being the following of the Christ, noone else! except you refused to call him your Lord and saviour at that stage, knowing the basics you argued on the truth?Yeah, sort of, strange isn't it?was it out of frustration becuase people were trying to pass judgements not really knowing what they were talking about?Exactly, and yet not knowing what you 'knew' at the same time. In other words, "I am not sure what it is, but it isn't that" i want to understand what brought you to defend him before you loved him enough to relinquish your life to his cause. That is a powerful question, the only possible explanation to my understanding is that it was despite ourselves, the Lord doing what He pleased at the time and ourselves not grasping it until much further down the road. The timing here is interesting, felt led yesterday to Gen:20 regarding Abimelech and his responding to God after taking Sarah;Gen 20:3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife. Gen 20:4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation? Gen 20:5 Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this. Gen 20:6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.Maybe what I am trying to articulate is that God doesn't need our permission to do what He chooses to do.Hope this doesn't detract from all that Mekdi brought forth here. It has been just a tremendous encouragement to see the ongoing answers to prayer, the transformation of Aregay from 'here to there', even as it is being played out right now. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! Rom 11:33

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