Even half of this video will equip most to contend earnestly-
(while I’m not familiar with this man’s other positions/teachings, his scriptural defense of the trinity is well researched and quite capable)
For another take on the Trinity, Michael Heiser has a few videos on the Trinity. He is very good also. Some have called him the scholar of scholars. He passed away a couple of months ago but his knowledge of the Greek and Hebrew (to me) is awesome.
Search in YouTube Michael Heiser Trinity
God bless,
Lisa
I will do my very best to explain my question and present the reasoning as to why I ask this question. ”‹My intent is never to be disrespectful or harmful to Trinitarian believers but to express and show the evidence
the truth is, the Trinitarian Translations always translate the passages of the Bible to always say that Jesus is ON the right hand of God;
but never, ever once is the Greek word - " ON " ÎµÌ“Ï€Î¹Ì - epi - used to describe Jesus as " ON " the right of God, in the manuscripts
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for example Mat 26:50 ......... they laid hands " ON " ÎµÌ“Ï€Î¹Ì - epi - Jesus, and took him.
the Greek word " ON " is - - ÎµÌ“Ï€Î¹Ì - epi -
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But - the definition of the Greek word { εν } - means - IN / in
this Greek word " εν - IN " is used a total of 2,720 total times in the New Testament.
that's - two thousand, two hundred, and twenty - total times.
the Greek manuscripts declare that Yahashua is - IN / εν = EN
IN / εν = EN, - in the right of power
IN / εν = EN, - the right of the throne
IN / εν = EN, - the right of the Father
IN / εν = EN, - the right of God
Heb 12:2 Christ is set - ἐν - en - - in the right of the throne of God.
Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down - ἐν - en - - in the right of God;
1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is - ἐν - en - - in the right of God;
Rom 8:34 Christ in - ἐν - en - - in the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Eph 1:20 Christ in - ἐν - en - - in his own right - ἐν - en - - in in the heavenly place.
Heb 8:1 Christ is set - ἐν - en - - in the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 1:3 sat down - ἐν - en - - in the right of the Majesty - ἐν - en - - in the high.
this Greek word " εν " IN - is used a total of 2,720 total times in the manuscripts - and 47 total times in the translation the Trinitarian translators change this word to replace and change this word - into the word {( ON )} -
to replace the word " IN " with the word " ON " is something that is possible to do but very rarely because the true meaning and definition of the Greek word " - ἐν - En - mean literally in Greek - IN
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you can replace the Greek word " IN " with the word " ON " - - for example the translation says
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Mar 14:2 But they said, Not { ON } the feast day,
however, the Greek word here in " Mar 14:2 " is the Greek word " - ἐν - En - meaning literally in Greek - IN
and should more properly translate as - IN, - as the manuscripts say exactly
:2 But they said, Not { IN } the feast day, - not ON the feast day, the manuscripts say " IN the day of the feast "
because that the the matter was dealing with death and capture of Jesus wherein the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.
PRIESTS AND SCRIBES LITERALLY SAID :2 But they said, Not { IN } the feast day,
they did not say UPON or ON the feast day - - they stated - - :2 Not { IN } the feast day,
”‹ you can replace the Greek word " IN " with the word " ON " - however, this is not something that is done in very many examples because these two words have a completely different meaning. The Greek word " IN " means literally " INSIDE " inside of an idea or an object or location and this is where Jesus originates , it is - IN - God,
INSIDE God's Throne and Power and Spirit where Jesus originates
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and the Greek manuscripts literally use the Greek word OUT FROM / EXITING " ἐξ - EX " when describing Yahashua exiting / departing out from and out God - the Greek word literally means " ἐξ - EX " =
OUT OF / FROM
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of God.
Yahashua is both IN and OUT OF the right of God - He originates and dwells inside the spirit of God
Mat 26:64 Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar 14:62 ye shall see the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar 12:36 The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right untill I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mat 22:44 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right until I make thine enemies thy footstool
Mat 22:44 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right until I make thine enemies thy footstool
Luk 22:69 the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of the power of God.
Act 2:34 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right
Mar 16:19 and sat " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of God.
Luk 20:42 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right
Act 2:25 for he is " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right
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SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR JESUS TO BE IN AND OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD ?
WHEN HE APPEARS IN BODILY FORM - HE IS ALWAYS DESCRIBED AS LITERALLY DEPARTING DWELLING OUT OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT OF GOD - externally - exterior - manifesting externally - the physical visible form of the invisible spirit
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OUTSIDE OF GOD - appearing to man
WHEN HE IS IN THE THRONE - HE HAS ENTERED - DWELLING IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - UNSEEN INVISIBLE RETURN BACK IN THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY WHERE HE ORIGINATES AS AN ATRIBUTE OF GODS SPIRIT
AND HE IS FOREVER IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - BUT CAN DEPART OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD - TO DWELL OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD.... IN BODILY FORM - VISIBLE
and can exist both at the same time - in and out of the right of God
NEVER - NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua sitting ON or AT the right HAND
of God. - NEVER EVER IN THE MANUSCRIPTS
”‹i promise you this is truth
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Heb 12:2 Christ is set - ἐν - en - - in the right of the throne of God.
Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down - ἐν - en - - in the right of God;
1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is - ἐν - en - - in the right of God;
Rom 8:34 Christ in - ἐν - en - - in the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Eph 1:20 Christ in - ἐν - en - - in his own right - ἐν - en - - in in the heavenly place.
Heb 8:1 Christ is set - ἐν - en - - in the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 1:3 Christ is sat down - ἐν - en - in the right of the Majesty - ἐν - en - - in the high.
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the Greek manuscripts always express Yahashua as both
- ἐν - en - - IN
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and
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" ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " God
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the evidence is there in the manuscripts exact and precise - NOT EVEN ONCE - NOT ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua EVER, ever sitting " ON " the right HAND of God - truly, not in one single verse within the manuscript of Greek - this concept simply does not exist.
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”‹the Greek word " ON " is - ÎµÌ“Ï€Î¹Ì - epi -
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Your parsing out the nuance of these facts are consistent in their presentation, where your point is clear and well made.
in responding to your question, there are a few points to further clarify so that we are on the same page as it were-
Firstly, when you say "manuscripts” could you be more specific regarding which ones you are referring to?
(as there are different ones that lead to the various translations)
yes
all Greek manuscript families that exist for the New Testament are in agreement pertaining to Jesus dwelling IN the right of God
also, they all are in agreement pertaining to Jesus dwelling OUT OF / FROM the right of God.
It’s an honest and simple question regarding the source text to which you refer but you deflect rather than simply answer in a straightforward manner.
This is of course permissible but not profitable. Please give pause and consider what you are doing here. As a new member it behooves you to provide context to the community here on SI. Though especially so when you introduce yourself with a challenge of a core doctrine shared by all here in some form or another, and equally the body of Christ at large. While your position is well stated, with as much temperament one could have when undertaking such thing, it is also equally important to be likewise easily entreated. This way we can, perhaps, work out these points to the benefit of His namesakeðŸ™ðŸ»
So again, while it may not be important to/for you, it is for me to understand where you are coming from…. so when you wrote to say "the manuscripts” which one was in/on your mind ?
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