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Miracles, deliverance, and those who Jesus doesn't know

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ESchaible Sep 20, 2023

From my devotional thoughts thread:

"Thus you will recognize them by their fruits."

I'm beginning to realize more and more how narrow the narrow path actually is. As time marches on and the return of Jesus is draws nigh, it is incredibly important to be able to discern the signs of the times. Jesus would not have us ignorant of His truth, both in ourselves and in others, but we have to be very careful to stick solely to what Jesus teaches us, so as to avoid judging unrighteously. But discern we must, now more than ever.

It is no accident that Jesus attached the warning against false prophets to the sermon on the mount. The teaching of Jesus in these few chapters are more powerful than any other teaching in scripture, and they not only completely expose sin and hypocrisy, but give great hope and peace to those whom He has called to follow Him. Jesus promises us that these things shall be fulfilled in His disciples, simply by virtue of the fact the He is one who commanded them.

Jesus gives us a very clear vision of what we are to expect to see, and what constitutes this fruit. If many are heralding miracles, casting out devil's, even prophesying in Jesus name, as proof of their legitimacy even to the very Lord Himself, how much more will these men do the same to justify themselves before men. But Jesus makes it clear that these things can all be done without any actual knowledge of the Lord Himself, and without actually being known by Him. This doesn't mean that they are the works of the devil, as we run a fine line and are commanded of Jesus to not dabble in that area of judgment, but it will give us a clear picture of who to listen to, and who to trust in these last days.

As I said, the connection of this warning is not accidentally and coincidentally tied to this glorious sermon. So we can gather plainly that those who are in defiance to these teachings are in fact not known by God, no matter the grandiose works they do in His name. But beware brethren to not judge harshly, as even if they are not known of the Lord, they are still casting out devils, prophesying and healing, and we saw from the high priest of Jesus day that God will even use the unsaved as prophets, so long as they are not against us, we can rejoice. It falls on the church to make sure truth is preached and the truths of who Jesus is in purity are lifted up by our lives, and these men may seem to be doing harm, but they will be used in the greater purposes of God.

We can easily tell if we simply take the opposite of the teachings and examine what becomes plain.

Are the teachers storing up for themselves things on earth? Are they amassing wealth and things and looking to make their ministries, lives and the lives of those that hear them comfortable here in the world? Are they looking to fund million dollar buildings and heap to themselves money and influence?

Jesus uses money as an example because money is the driving force behind the world system. He doesn't accidentally say any of these things, where a mans treasure is, there is is heart also. And if his heart lies where his treasure is, that's a pretty plain thing to see. Jesus didn't spiritualize this teaching and make it about attachment, there is no context to make us think it was for a specific person or to be as an example as in the case of His telling the rich young ruler to sell all he had. Jesus said to the masses, if you lay up treasure on earth than your heart will be in earth, serving money, and you can't do that and serve God. You will either love the money and by extension the ways to get it and retain it, or you will love God.


When you see people amassing to themselves wealth, no matter what they say the motive is, no matter who they say it for, and no matter how noble they say the cause is, it's an automatic red flag. If a ministry cannot abide by the teachings of Jesus, than our Lord makes it clear what He thinks. These prophets will mind the things of the world and be constantly worried about tomorrow because if they aren't, than they can't appease the system that holds them up. They cannot serve two masters.

Jesus says after He warms us of the false prophets, and tell us what they claim to have done, that whoever hears these words of His and does them, they will be like a wise man who built his house on a rock. The key to discernment and knowledge is not intellectual pursuit or learning, but obedience to Jesus. To be wise, you have to obey Jesus so He can than make everything clear. It's astonishing how simple and clear everything becomes with a simple life of obedience to Jesus, no matter how fanatical it seems to everyone around you. The Father is faithful to provide daily bread, not help us amass wealth and money. He will be an ever present help for an ever present need, and will never place us in temptation to fall into the worlds ways of saving and worry, anxiety and looking to the future. He will hide us under the shadow of His wings and be a refuge to His people.

The warning against the false prophets and Jesus telling us to look to their fruits is Jesus telling us to compare these men, and ourselves with the teachings of the sermon on the mount. Simple and sincere obedience to Jesus is the dividing line between truth and lies, and the life of Jesus in His people is the only way for anyone to fulfill these commands, and when Christ is formed in a person, and he walks in single eyed obedience to Jesus, he shall therefore be perfect, as His heavenly Father is perfect. Not a man striving to be something, but a man indwelt by Jesus expressing someone. Not a human trying to be sinless or holy, but a human containing Jesus Himself.

If we find then, that we see false prophets performing miracles, casting out devils, or doing great wonders, and are preaching a false message, just leave them to it and God will use them for His purposes and eventually they will get their just desert. It falls on His church to pick up the pieces of the disillusioned and broken people they leave in their wakes. Those who have devils cast out only to find 7 more in their place. Those who see this as a representation of the true Jesus and throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater when they inevitably find it to be false. Man in his own self effort will do no good. Those who walk in the spirit must be ready to, in God's perfect timing and will, be Christ to those broken souls.

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drifter Sep 21, 2023

Thank your for that post. I see good biblical discernment in it.

"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul." Deuteronomy 13:1-3

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24

Signs and wonders are not necessarily an indication that a person is sent from God. The false prophet in the tribulation will call down fire from heaven, likely in imitation of Elijah. This will deceive many professing christians that believe the test of legitimacy is miracles. In the second scripture quoted above, I believe Jesus is warning of a time when a false prophetic/signs and wonders movement will sweep the earth, deceiving many christians (I believe we are in the midst of this right now). I believe that anyone who truly belongs to Jesus will wake up before it is too late; this is, I believe, Jesus' exhortation in Revelation to "come out of her" (the Whore of Babylon, i.e. the false world church).

My hope is that people involved in these movements will get tired of chasing a "high" and get to know the real Jesus.

Can't people see that this explosion of false doctrine is part judgment of God, and part a test of our love to Him?

In every age, the test of a true messenger of God is, Does he preach repentance? Are peoples lives changed? Does he cause people to fear God and obey Him? Are people born again through his ministry? And the ultimate result of this will be: holiness! If someone is not holy, they don't have the Holy Spirit.

Any miracles performed are peripheral and subordinate to people being saved from their sins.

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HenryLegros Sep 21, 2023

Thanks for the post.

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ESchaible Sep 21, 2023

Amen Drifter.

The tragedy is the subtlety of the deception, and it's ability to slowly creep in and in so doing, pave the way for a much greater and much more sinister deception. I believe you are right about a world dominating movement that lifts up signs and wonders, it's eschatological significance is astoundingly clear.

Israel has always been entranced by miracles and signs, and ironically has always guffawed at the movements in Christendom that make this the central theme. With the recent addition of deliverance and demonology (ironically the professing churchs interest coincided rather perfectly with a renewed interest in worldly interest in the topic, think about the movie "The popes exorcist, and others recently), we can just add another thing Jesus told us to be wary of that world religious systems and soulish believers heap to themselves.

The litmus test of apostolic Christianity is its ability to provoke Israel to jealousy (Romans 9-12). If we are sensitive to the unfolding of prophetic events, the quickly approaching time of Jacobs trouble (a persecution of Jews to eclipse even the Holocaust), we must now more than ever cast ourselves on God in Christ Jesus, and transversely be Christ in us, the only hope of glory for God, and life from death for Israel.

What we see as the popular church is soulish religion, and the more sound it's doctrine becomes the more sinister it becomes. We can err on both sides now. It's no longer a blatant prosperity messages used by the powers, as most people have exposed that. Now it's the same thing at its core, with the current doctrinal vogues in its mouth. We underestimate the powers of the air and think they are unable to adapt and in that blindness are further blinded.

It's a serious time brother, I think more serious than either of us are able to comprehend without inspiration from the a Holy Spirit.

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