What doctrines do we not like but are true ?

Heaven and Hell are doctrines that most christians we do not like but the biblical evidence is vast

it doesnt stop them from being true.

Revelation 1:18
I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

Revelation 6:8
So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.

Revelation 20:14
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

We dont like dealing with the fact that there are things in the bible such as the destruction of the canaanites in the book of numbers and deutronomy

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

What

Two main teachings that are taught the least:

1. Jesus teachings on The Sermon on the Mount.
2. Jesus teachings on taking up the cross and following Him. We are commanded to make disciples, not church members.

Mike,

It's interesting you mentioned those 2 things. Those are the only 2 things I've been given liberty to write about, or teach.

That is wonderful Brother!

because most churches are not being taught on these two important teachings. The Sermon on the Mount is the call to impossible living. Only Christ in us can live this out. (Galatians 2:20). Discipleship is denying self, taking up the cross, and following Jesus. Christians are being taught on the abundant life without paying the cost.

Brother, that would make an excellent topic for discussion. I know that Oswald Chambers has an excellent book on the sermon on the mount. I have never read it but one of my former pastors has done a Bible study on that book for about a year now.

Here is a quote from Chambers' Studies in the sermon on the Mount, this giving up the right to my rights is hard for the flesh to hear;

Anyone will give up wrong things if he knows how, but are we prepared to give up the best we have for Jesus Christ? The only right a Christian has is the right to give up his rights.

"Anyone will give up wrong things if he knows how, but are we prepared to give up the best we have for Jesus Christ? The only right a Christian has is the right to give up his rights.”

Amen Brother!
and as American Christians, we are being told to stand up for our rights, fight for our rights, and if a brother does us wrong, take him to court. But this is far different from the life that Jesus Christ has called us to live.

These things I would class as average teaching from the scriptures

1 cor 6
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God

Or passages such as this 8I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, 10but with what is proper for women who profess godliness””with good works.11Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.12I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.13For Adam was formed first, then Eve; 14and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
””1 Timothy 2:8”“14

I was not talking about verses that are not often teach I was talking more due to the fact that there are verses in scripture which we may not like but are true

That Go against the status quo of society

Hi - reading the post about the cross, currently reading a book from David Wilkerson "The New Covenant Unveiled"

The is a chapter in it Entering the New Covenant by the way of the Cross.

Quote How many definitions of the Cross have you heard in your lifetime. I freely admit that for many years I never had the cross shown to me in a way that satisfied my deepest longings about it.

David then explains how he sought God to show him what it truly meant. Then asks the question.

Quote: Answer Honestly - do you understand the meaning of the cross, your cross, your dying, in a personnel way? Can you explain to me what the cross means to you, and what happened as a result of doing it?

Then he goes on to say I am not going to share with you doctrinally about the cross and goes onto share his experience of the cross.

Quote: It was while I was down in the depth of Nothingness that God unveiled to me the mean of the cross.

All he knows that he came to a end of himself, down, down into a place of helplessness.

Quote: On that day, I could not even pray. All I could do was lie on the floor, empty in spirit, with no tears left. Engulfed in a sense if total failure, I could only say, "Lord I cannot go on like this anymore. I am worn out. I am have tried and failed. After all my searching through books, all my study, all my efforts to be a conqueror, I still battle my flesh. My temptations have not let up. I have tried to be a living sacrifice. I have struggled to live by faith. I have diligently tried to live by the Spirit, to allow him to lead me and empower me. But still don't get it. I still don't understand why it's not getting through to me.

Down into nothingness I went - where the cry is, Lord I can't struggle anymore. I have nothing in me to offer you - no merit, no plea. I have no more power, no more fight. I am weak, helpless. I am clueless on what I need to do.

Down to nothingness where no one on earth can help. No counselor, no loved one, no friend, no minister. It is a place where you know that unless the Lord comes to change you - to open your eyes and show you the way - it can't be done.

It is a place where you know beyond any shadow of doubt you can do nothing on your own.

Down to nothingness - where I no longer have a will of my own. On my own I am helpless, will-less. I have given up my will because it has totally failed to accomplish any spirituality in me.

At this place I found myself on solid ground.

Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

It was there in my nothingness that I told Jesus "You were God in the Flesh, yet you needed the Father direction. You could do nothing on your own. How could you expect anything less of me.

There is not much more that I can add - it reminds on my holiness meetings that I attended - one of the first things they said - you must come to the place where you are nothing.

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing" John 5:19.

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Eloi Eloi lama - My God, my God why have you forsaken me.

That is the cry from the cross...

Brothers,

I know you guys know this, but dying to self, taking up a cross, being a seed that falls to the ground and dies, hating our life in this world, forsaking all....... these are described as "worship" in Romans 12:1. Not sure we should discuss these things in the category of truths we might 'dislike'. They are "reasonable" and are baseline/foundational and acceptable attitudes and acts of worship. We should talk of them as privileges and essential love of God and not so much as struggles or challenges in light of all His mercies and otherwise Worthiness.

Robert,

Tim Dilena just preached a message on worship, I think this last week, at Time Square Church, on Abraham offering Isaac as an act of worship. I think the message title is along the lines of "When did we turn worship into singing", or something like that.

Highly recommend it. It's a right now word from God exactly along this line (worship is obedience)... funny how that works.

Amen brothers.

EDIT:

Mike,

I would love a discussion on that Chambers book btw. It's among my favorites, I've read it many times and every time it speaks differently.

Did you know oswald chambers only wrote one book

Dom,

I don't think he personally wrote any actually. His wife was a professional stenographer and transcribed his spoken sermons, compiling them into what we now have as Chambers published works.

"I would love a discussion on that Chambers book btw. It's among my favorites, I've read it many times and every time it speaks differently.”

Brother, that would be excellent to have a discussion on "The Sermon on the Mount”, what some have said to be "The constitution of the Kingdom of God.” There is so much meat in just the Beatitudes.

The sermon on the mount has been used by liberal scholars, I don't think there is anything controversial in the sermon on the mount
You can start a new thread regarding the sermon on the mount
There have been a few commentaries

If you type into Amazon there is about 30 or 40 commentaries on the sermon on the mount compared to other bible books

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=sermon+on+the+mount&crid=2CN9EZO4SG6UX&sprefix=sermon+on+the+mount+%2Caps%2C78&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

When I started this thread I was more about controversial bible passages that we may not like and that are true

As if you have read the bible the whole way through , there are so many passages that go against our culture

As regarding Oswald chambers you can get his entire collection
https://www.oswaldchambers.co.uk/books/

I used to read my upmost for his highest as I know his books very well

If you read books like Ezekiel or Jeremiah or some of the books that tend to be untouched
You know how popular a topic , I was more looking for doctrinal things that are unpopular in our today's society but biblically true as scripture is timeless whist our society changes and god words don't change

Dom for some reason when you post those links it throws the size of the thread out of whack which makes it hard to read. Not sure why that is.

I tried to show how many commentaries there are on the sermon on the mount , there are lots :)

The sermon on the mount has been used by liberal scholars, I don't think there is anything controversial in the sermon on the mount
You can start a new thread regarding the sermon on the mount
There have been a few commentaries

I think that the point behind raising the sermon on the mount in this thread is that this teaching of Jesus is a statement of how a Christian will live if the Holy Spirit has His way. Therefore it is controversial in the sense that the natural man cannot walk this way.

I think you're right though that perhaps another thread would be in order to discuss this teaching.

Also, I can second the recommendation for the Tim Dilena message on worship, very timely indeed.

In Christ,

There is alot in the sermon on the mount that the world would say like of our present day

If you can list some passages which would stick out like a sore thumb in today's world

As these are the types of verses that I am looking for as I listed some verses as people in the current day find it hard that the verses you have against homosexuality or the verses where god wipes out the Canaanites or verses that require men in leadership or verses on heaven and hell

Luke 16:15
And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God