Apostle John Alive And Well In Turkey?

Chris Reed from MorningStar ministries (the church Rick Joyner founded) is now saying the apostle John is still alive and well and is living in a cave in Turkey, and that he will reveal what the book of Revelation "really" means. He claims an angel showed him this in a vision.

He claims to have scriptural basis for this from John 21:22. However, it it clear from the text, if one keeps reading, that Jesus did NOT say that John would not die; John did see Christ at His second coming in his vision on Patmos.

He claims God told him this and that he even met with an angel. Are we supposed to just ignore this and parrot something about not being divisive or "touching the Lord's anointed" when someone is critical of these claims? This man clearly did not hear this from God. Joseph Smith (the founder of Mormonism) claimed the exact same thing.

One of the jobs of a pastor is to guard the sheep against wolves. If you don't do that, the scriptures say you are a hireling.

Here is a link to the original video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzTIYe59E2M

Wonder how he looks for a man age 2017?

So so many of these ministers and prophets say they talk to angels and have angels show them things etc. After a while, it begins to make you feel down here and them up there. Does communication with angels come with the modern "prophetic calling?" What are plain everyday saints to make of all this?

Sorry - duplicate

We should never seek conversations with angels, but it does happen, and it has happened to many godly men. Brother Buck wrote a book years ago, that I read, called Angels on assignment. He had many angelic encounters, and nothing that he wrote in that book that the Angels spoke to him, was contrary to the scriptures. .

I acknowledge Buck etc. and the reality of angels. It just gets a little daunting at times because there seems to be so much of it.

Amen! we definitely do need discernment brother!

Only 2 people in scripture did not die, Enoch and Elijah. The scriptures say clearly that they were taken to heaven; they did not stay on earth. There is no scriptural basis to say John hid in a cave for 2,000 years. Early church records indicate he was not martyred, but likely died of old age.

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not." Matthew 24:24-26

Might this not also apply to saying this about the apostles or prophets?

I have a question for people that seem to accept anything that is called christian: Can you name one false teacher? Just one? Jesus warned us that many (that means a LOT) would come in His name, deceiving many. He said tares would be sown among the wheat.

When I read the scriptures, it seems to me that when there were large prophetic movements, much of it was false, and there were only a few standing up against it. Those people were usually shunned, shouted down and ostracized.

"And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them... For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men... A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?" Jeremiah 5:13,26,30,31

"On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation." (1 Cor. 14:3, ESV)

1. It doesn't say they hear from angels.
2. What Chris Reed claims doesn't build me up and it doesn't encourage me. Instead it grieves me deeply.

Markus

Heberws 1 13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:

"Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

Hebrews 13 2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it.

"Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God." Colossians 2:18,19

"And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve." 2 Corinthians 11:12-15

Gary-

The issue isn’t whether there are angels or whether they intervene in the affairs of men. Of course they do!!’

The issue is whether one told some dude that the Apostle John is still alive in some unknown cave in Turkey.

Todd that might be your issue but I think the real issue is some people or many people just don't believe that angels minister to people anymore, and if they do it's more of just the theology they believe in rather than something they or there closes friends have experienced themselves.

When my dad was still alive, many years ago, he had his own business. He was an arborist, or "tree topper." A lot of his business was danger tree removal. If you know anything about this, it is dangerous work. He would climb trees, sometimes 80 or 90 feet, with a safety belt fastened around the tree, and metal spurs on his boots for climbing. He would then use a chainsaw to cut limbs off the tree, and sometimes the top.

One time when he was about 80 feet up a tree, he was cutting some limbs off the tree. You have to lean back in your safety belt to do this. The belt broke and he started to fall. He suddenly felt two hands on his back push him against the tree. He was able to climb down.

He believed it was an angel that saved his life. My dad was not given to making up fanciful stories. He was an old logger.

So yes, I do believe in the ministry of angels.

But I don't believe any old story that people tell, especially when it is questionable. I've heard some of the most outlandish tall tales about this kind of thing believed without question, because many christians have had "don't judge" pounded into them for years.

One "prophet" on Sid Roth's program said she went to heaven and said there is a candy land with dinosaurs roaming around up there.

Drifter You probably believed your father saw an angel because he was your father and if Chris Reed come out and said an angel protected him and kept him alive you would probably just dismiss it because of who he is.

But obviously Chris Reed has a lot of respect and family members and close friends who love him and would believe what he says as something that he has experienced as well.

Often our bias does play a major role in whether we will accept the word of somebody else, if John Macarthur came out and said that he started to see angels you'd probably get a lot of calvinists would just believe that.

I'm 100% sure that there would be thousands upon thousands of fundamentalists that would say your father is now a heretic for saying and angel did that or that your father is deceived at all depends on what camp you're in.

Greg made a good comment and I think it's very balanced and correct and it's one of the reasons why many people misinterpret their dream or their experience because often times it's not literal it's allegorical and it has to be interpreted, there's a message within the experience of the dream and or even the vision as we see in revelations it's not all literal but very allegorical

What does the Word of God say?

.......

20 Peter turned and saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them, the one who also had leaned back against him during the supper and had said, "Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?”

21 When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, "Lord, what about this man?”

22 Jesus said to him, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, WHAT IS THAT TO YOU? YOU FOLLOW ME!”

23 So the saying spread abroad among the brothers that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?”

John 21:20-23 (ESV)

.......

So, here, the apostle John (who wrote this) wrote:

1.) "...yet Jesus did NOT say that he was not to die;"
and,
2.) Jesus did say (to Peter): "What is that to you? You follow me!"

Could God keep John -- or any others -- alive until he returned? Of course! God has no limits. Yet, the question is not "COULD GOD KEEP" but "HAS GOD KEPT" John (or anyone else) alive for thousands of years to await his return?

This posted passage from the end of John's gospel (in chapter 21) seems to indicate that John did NOT interpret the Lord's words the way that this man interpreted his purported dream.

Even if God had decided to keep John alive, what is it to us? Our responsibility is much more personal and direct:
"You follow me" (John 21:22).

No, there is a fundamental difference between my dad's story and Chris Reed's. My dad didn't say the angel told him that he would be given a new interpretation of Revelation, Chris did. This directly contradicts the word of God (Revelation 22:18). My dad didn't even see the angel that saved him. He just felt two hands on his back push him against the tree.

We MUST test any prophecy, revelation, word of knowledge etc. against the Bible. That is our only metric.

My dad didn't contradict the Bible in what he said. Psalm 91:11,12 says that we have angelic protection at times.

The scriptures seem to warn against people that go into great detail about new revelations given by angels. Islam, Mormonism and many other cults were started in exactly this way.

Chris I think to be fair the question remains an open question and the possibility that Jesus may have done that for John would have remained.

Most of the disciples had trouble understanding what Jesus was saying or what he meant but he did also say that there shall be some here that she'll not taste death until they see the son of man come.

I'm a partial preterist so it's irrelevant for me if John turns up at the end times, except for it would prove me to be wrong I would think.