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docs Jan 23, 2024

I'm interested in this subject. I missed any thread that came before regarding it. The pastor where I attend has let me teach Sunday school for a few weeks and I have been addressing the subject of the cross and the provisions for believers arising from the atonement. I have a list of the various theories of the atonement and have been thinking of going through them with the small class. At any rate, in the thick of the list is the penal substitution theory. Honestly, at this point I don't see how it can be anything else. My clue and leading to this is:

"The Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all." (Isa 53:6)

"Yet, IT PLEASED THE LORD (emphasis mine) to bruise Him; He (the LORD) has put Him (Jesus) to grieF." (Isa 53:10)

How are these passages to be rightly interpreted? I don't want to jusy say I believe in penal substitution because it's common phrase used in many quarters. I want to know why I believe it. If the suffering of Christ on the cross came directly from the Lord's hand, then it hardly seems this was a form of "cosmic child abuse" as N. T. Wright and others imply. If you can share things and links with me, you won't get any confrontational smart talk from me. And others may want to contribute in a spirit of civility and respect. If you are too busy or not inclined that's okay. I understand.

Blessings.

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TMK Jan 23, 2024

From Steve Gregg:
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I receive many inquiries concerning my opinion about atonement theories. Having just responded to one, I thought I would post it for the benefit of others who are inclined to inquire:


Atonement Theories

Steve,

I am really trying to study the concept of Penal Substitution because it seems like it is under attack. I would love to hear your opinion.

””Van

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Hi Van,

Many people are critical of the Penal Substitution concept, because they think it portrays God as demanding an act of violence to persuade Him to forgive people, whereas, He is naturally disposed toward forgiveness, and would, seemingly, not make such a demand. They say that the Christus Victor concept was the early church's view, rather than Penal Substitution, which was introduced by Anselm centuries later.

I still believe in Penal Substitution, though I agree with many of the claims of the critics. Christus Victor is indeed taught in the Bible (but so is Penal Substitution, in my opinion). I don't know why the latter view did not become prominent until Anselm's time, but he is not the one who introduced the concept into the Bible.

Penal Substitution seems to be the concept behind the Passover, the entire sacrificial system, and the rituals of Yom Kippur, in the Old Testament. The language associated with these rituals is adopted without embarrassment by the New Testament writers to describe what Jesus has done (e.g., 1 Cor.5:7; John 1:29; Rev.5:6; Heb.9:11-14, 22).

There are several competing "theories" of the atonement, including Christus Victor, the "Ransom" theory, the "Moral Influence" theory, the "Public Justice" theory, the "Penal Substitution" theory, etc. Each of these can legitimately rally passages of scripture to their support. Does this not suggest that all of them are true? That is how I see it. To my mind, there is none of these theories that, if correct, would preclude the others from also being correct. Why should we have to choose between the many facets of the atoning work of Christ that are all presented in scripture?

The criticism that Penal Substitution makes God out to be reluctant to forgive seems like nonsense to me. It is not God, but justice itself, that demands a penalty for criminal acts committed. Paul said that God's dilemma was how to be both "just," and "the justifier of those who believe" (Rom.3:26). To solve the dilemma, He set forth the sacrifice of Christ as a propitiation for man's sins (v.25).

Clearly, Paul sees God as the one who is motivated to forgive and justify sinners. Yet, His own character of unvarying justice must be squared with such a seemingly-unjustified acquittal. The substitution of Christ as the sacrifice in our place resolves the difficulty.

Atheists argue that, by requiring Christ to die for us, God cannot escape the charge of being a "child abuser." Yet, the Father did not make this decision unilaterally. The plan was agreed upon between the Father and the Son. Christ "gave Himself" for us (Gal.2:20). He was not forced to die against His will. Jesus Himself said that He came to "give His life as a ransom" (Mark 10:45). At any time, Jesus could have called twelve legions of angels to rescue Him from the danger of being crucified (Matt.26:53). It was His own decision to do this. There was no divine "child abuse” on God's part. It would be more scriptural to view it as God abusing Himself. It is He who took on human form in order to accomplish man’s redemption. "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself" (2 Cor.5:19). God purchased the church "with His own blood” (Acts 20:28).

I can think of biblical reasons for affirming each of the atonement theories, and no biblical reasons for excluding any of them.

Steve Gregg

Addendum:

Some (not all) of those who object to this doctrine have a larger agenda. They wish to absolve God of all involvement in any violent or lethal transactions. They want us to believe that God, throughout history, has been as seamlessly non-violent as Jesus was in His brief tenure on this planet. Thus, the wars and exterminations of the Old Testament, the Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, the death of Ananias and Sapphira, the death of Herod””even the bloodshed in the Book of Revelation, is thought to be unworthy of the non-violent god whom they have crafted according to their own image. In order to promote this artificial deity, they must persuade us that Moses, David, the Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles were all, at times (perhaps, most of the time!) mistakenly attributing to God commands and actions that were not His. Once you discredit these authors, there remains no reliable word from God in scripture. Very convenient. This leaves us to affirm only such things as we subjectively find unoffensive.

The Bible knows no such god as the one they imagine. The non-violence of Jesus, during His 3-year redemptive mission, is mistaken for the only side of God that is ever expressed. However, if the Book of Revelation is authentic, then even Jesus, when in judgment mode ("the wrath of the Lamb"), is greatly to be feared. That God may, in certain seasons, extend inexplicable patience, and, at others, fearsome judgments, is the clear teaching of scripture. The brief lifetime of Christ on earth was one of the former seasons. the Bible unambiguously describes, and predicts, many of the other kind.

At the end of history, God will sort all things out in accordance with His justice and His mercy. However, during earth's history, death is a universal reality for all mortal beings””one that God Himself mourns, but will not end until the resurrection. In the meantime, human deaths (all of which are admittedly inevitable) are sometimes, in the interest of the general good of mankind and of God's kingdom, moved forward in time, by some specific judgment acts of God.

However, because of Christ's death and resurrection, all people””even innocent people who died in temporal judgments (e.g., infants who died in the flood)””will receive justice at the hands of a Judge with whom mercy triumphs over judgment (James 2:13).

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yuehan Jan 24, 2024

Docs,

You might find this sermon helpful ”“ it discusses penal substitution using an illustration from John Flavel (sometimes dubbed, "The Father's Bargain"):

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=21128&commentView=itemComments

On the finer theological points of the atonement and the gospel's provisions for justification ”“ Eli Brayley's articles are excellent. Check out his writings under "The Gospel/Law & Grace" category, as well as his two-part testimony (c.f. "About Eli"):

https://web.archive.org/web/20221006041343/https://timothyministry.blogspot.com/2006/06/timothy-ministry-articles.html

(I've given the Internet Archive's version, 'coz Eli has yet to fix his current website's messy URLs)


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docs Feb 4, 2024

/There are several competing "theories" of the atonement, including Christus Victor, the "Ransom" theory, the "Moral Influence" theory, the "Public Justice" theory, the "Penal Substitution" theory, etc. Each of these can legitimately rally passages of scripture to their support. Does this not suggest that all of them are true? That is how I see it. To my mind, there is none of these theories that, if correct, would preclude the others from also being correct. Why should we have to choose between the many facets of the atoning work of Christ that are all presented in scripture?/

I'm sorry I didn't get back here sooner. In my study of the theories of the atonement, I have found also that many contain elements of truth that reinforce and support and add to the other views. Ort most of the other views. I'm no elite theologian, but in the major theories of the atonement, I do have problems with at least two of them. Since all major views can supposedly rally scripture to support their view then can it not therefore be legitimately said that all the views are for better or less correct. I'm not so sure I would go that far. I have a somewhat huge problem with the Moral Influence View and major parts of the Moral Government View. I don't think it's just me. I'm not wanting to be prickly or argumentative. Just wondering if you may have any further comments. Plus, do others have any comments? These are important issues in my opinion. Things can be discussed in a civil manner and respect if people really want to.

MAJOR VIEWS OF THE ATONEMENT

1) Ransom View
2) Recapitulation View
3) Moral Influence View
4) Satisfaction View
5) Moral Government View
6) Penal Substitution View
7) Christus Victor View

3) MORAL INFLUENCE VIEW

In this view, the purpose and results of Christ's death was to influence mankind toward moral improvement. This theory denies that Christ died to satisfy any kind of divine justice, but teaches instead that Christ's death was designed to greatly impress mankind with a sense of God's love, resulting in softening their hearts and leading them to repentance. Thus, the atonement is not directed towards God with the purpose of maintaining His justice, but towards man with the purpose of persuading and influencing him to right action. (Theopedia)

The moral influence view of the atonement teaches that the purpose and work of Jesus Christ was to bring positive moral change to humanity. This moral change came and comes through the teachings and example of Jesus, the Christian movement He founded and the inspiring effect of His martyrdom and resurrection. It is one of the oldest views of the atonement in Christian theology and a prevalent view for most of Christian history (Wikipedia)

First proposed by Pierre Abelard (1079-1142)

Adopted by parts of theological liberalism.

Criticisms:

- This view maintains the death of Christ was not necessary as a means of removing sin.

- It is a violation of the Scriptures which say no one seeks after God in their natural state (Romans 3:10-12) and that the unbeliever cannot understand or receive spiritual things (I Cor 2:14) and that unbelievers are slaves of sin (Romans 6:14-20).

- It excludes the fact that the death of Christ was a substitutionary act (Isaiah 53:4-6; Matt 20:28) and was a legal act (Col 2:14) since the atonement is a fulfillment of the law.

5) MORAL GOVERNMENT VIEW

This view teaches that Christ suffered and was crucified on behalf of humanity so that God could forgive humans without punishing them while still maintaining divine justice. Christ's suffering was a real and meaningful substitute for the punishment humans deserve, but it did not consist of Christ receiving the exact punishment due to sinful people. Instead, God publically demonstrated His displeasure with sin through the suffering of His son as a propitiation for sin. According to the moral government view, the scope of Christ's death applies not to individuals directly but to the Church as a corporate entity. Individuals then partake of the atonement by becoming members of the Church through faith.

In this view, God is not an offended party regarding individual sins, nor is a debt owed to Him due to individual sins, nor is there an equating of sin with death; and there is no correlation between debt and sin. Instead, God is a moral governor who oversees proper moral truth and action; and He reconciles people to Himself without paying their legal debt on the cross. The cross, then, is an example of the horror of sin and a demonstration of its effect upon mankind as well as an exhibition of God's displeasure with sin. The cross is to motivate people to believe in Christ (by seeing the horror of the effect of sin on God in the flesh) and move the sinner, by his free will, to choose to
believe in God and repent of his sins. (CARM)

First proposed by Hugo Grotius (1583-1645)

Adopted by parts of Arminianism.

Criticisms:

- Jesus suffered on the cross on behalf of humanity but did not bear the sins of individuals. Rather, it was a corporate sacrifice.

- This view advocates that Christ's death was a teaching example that is good for society as a whole and demonstrates God's benevolence to mankind.

- This view maintains that the sacrifice of Christ reconciles us to God without paying our sin debt. Denies original sin.

- Jesus dies to make salvation possible and is dependent on man's free will choice to repent of his sins and believe in God.

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