Ever see stuff in the morning?

Yeah, bro. Same thing has happened to me many times, but, one is very striking. I'd been trying to understand something about a personal situation. I'd already done loads of Bible study and had an answer in lumps, but, not that final link which connected my pieces together into a cohesive argument. In those days, the Lord was waking me nearly every day with something new going on in my spirit. (I needed all the help I could get :-P ) but this one was special. Within the context of having no idea what was missing, as I woke up, I heard the word 'worship'. I also had a picture of my Bible open at the right place, but, couldn't tell where that was!As I lay there, thinking 'Jesus said something about worship... hmmm .... who was He speaking to...? um ...' It came to me JOHN 4! Yes!And that was wonderful! I understood soo much more about the difficulty I was dissecting, never to go back to such cloudiness again. Amen.

When I first read this thread, I trembled and got off of it as fast as I could. Please don't take me wrong, I more than believe and know, what 'possibilities' are out there.From the day I was first saved on, I can't speak of what 'experiences' I go through almost daily now for almost 30 yr.s and with good reason I believe.But the Lord did say in Joel, etc. Joe 2:28-29 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.These experiences have not been uncommon, since the first Church, but from my own personal experiences, may I just add to this thread by saying a few things.Never be afraid to "test the spirits".Some people are afraid to doubt a phenomena, enough to put it to the Test.But God commands we do, and will accommodate you in any test you do.If it's from HIM, He is very patient to "confirm it from His Word", in one way or another and I believe to test 'things', at least up to 2 to 3 times before I can say, "it came from God".I don't necessarily believe in 'sharing' these type stories/events, unless they are for The Whole Body... otherwise, we are putting the workings of the Holy Spirit on the same table as any other possible "Lounge" topic.Please don't get me wrong, especially you Aeryck, because for one, I don't doubt your experience at all, but I just felt that now is the time, for us to truly look at what "will" become the norm, for the Last days Saints.Be very humble in these things, and ponder them in your heart, and again, always "test all things" ... The Lord will honor that.The first thing I was taught, by a very wise prophetish type person, was that "God never gets angry if we test 'experiences',,, instead, He prefers we do so."Secondly, God will never put a 'compulsion' on one to do any act 'suddenly', as if, If you don't do something right this second, then something terrible will happen.There are a few instances where this may be the case, Like if you have a CO2 build up in your house and suddenly feel compelled to get out of the house ... but on the more minor issues, He will give you time to "test the spirits", because it's His Word to do so.In the Last Days, not only will the Saints be experiencing more of this, but there is/and will be, more "spirits of deception" around, then ever .... so NOW is the time, to learn Discernment and how God works and how deceptive spirits can work.I highly recommend two books, (and others are welcome to disagree) but from my own experience into "phenomena", that as I said, started as soon as I got saved,, and with me being so naive about such things, I needed books like these and also, the Lord God was gracious to send me a husband, who's feet were firmly planted on the floor academically, so keep me "Biblical", through my early years of these things.We especially need to read about the "dangers of the passive mind" ... and two books that helped me, many years ago on that was, War on the Saints and Latent Power of the Soul.I'm sure there were other such books that I had to read, but for now, these two stand out in my memory the most.There are counterfeit spirits out there ... and you know that only an expert can catch a counterfeit 100 dollar bill ... and no one would counterfeit a $3.oo bill - for obvious reasons.I'm not writing this just for you Aeryck, because I know most all of us either have or will, go through 'phenomena' or experiences, outside the norm, in our walk.To write much more on this, would be to only re-write what other's have already written in books, like those mentioned and which do a much better job of it.Signs and wonders, will be common place in the last days, but will originate from two opposing sides ... so if these things are inevitable, we have a space of time Now, to fine tune our "receivers" to not pick up a wrong station.One writer said, "the deeper you go into Christ ~ the higher league of intelligence in the demonic realm will target you." That is beyond just true.Believe it.Some have come to 'grasp', that the closeness to Christ that we can strive and arrive at, is unlimited... even to the fulfilling of the verse "as He was in the world, so be ye" and you can only read the Gospels & Acts, to understand what that means.But add to your knowledge - 'WISDOM'.We can "be as He was, when He was here" or as Paul was in Acts, but with it, the assaults and attacks from an intelligence from below, will seek to deceive, puff-up, and lead astray.No light subject, and as with the quoting of God's Word, we must always be maintaining the due reverence in communicating either, and should be handle all these things 'of God' with great care.I pray, all would seek ALL of Christ that they can have, for the sake of other's welfare first and because of their utter LOVE for Him and His Truth only.God Bless & protect His elect, all through this world, should be our prayer also.God Bless you.

1st Compton, Aeryck said nothing about being asleep.2nd Philo, read Daniel chpt.s 7 through 12.I am not a "latter rain" person, but a Bible believer that Knows what it will take for the Saints to Overcome.You see what you want, and I'll read it as I see it. And it would be better if you read it all yourself.In the last days there 'will' be deceiving spirits out there and we do need to test these 'experiences' we will be seeing and Joel chpt. 2 IS a last days verse, if you look at the whole thing .... and I wouldn't let a cult of Latter Rain or any other cult that twists Truths to rob me of the Truth found plainly in His Word.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Mar 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 1Jo 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (WHAT IS HIS IMAGE ?)Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus1Co 3:21-23 Therefore let no man glory in men. For All things are yours; whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; All are yours; and ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.1Pe 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God, in 'all things', may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion forever and ever. Amen.Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. Mar 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations. Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost. 2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. {Jn.16:13}Again read Daniel 7 through 12 and then Revelation.Jesus says, the tribulation will be worse than ever was since the world began, so if you don't think His promises that we'll "do exploits" and that "the righteous shall shine as the stars, bringing many to righteousness" and that God's Grace is poured out to "the degree of the Persecution, etc." then it's time for you to get some books out.Be careful who you accuse of what. I don't come unto your Forum that's on Your Website and "look for an occasion" to cast a dark shadow on your posts ... and haven't on this Forum neither.I pray for you sir. God have mercy on you.Col 2:6 -10 ~ As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord (By Faith -), so 'walk' ye in him: rooted and built up in him, and established in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ, Because in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily ye are 'complete' in him,which is the head of all principality and power.

No problem brother. I do that too. Sometimes I have to read stuff twice.But I did copy that news story when it was posted, because I've been trying to tell my husband about his need to get more sleep.Thanks for posting it and thanks for your kindness.Annie

Wow! This has turned into some discussion, when all aeryck asked was if the Lord enables anyone else, to 'see' in the morning...!Feel I need to own up to using the word 'waking' in my first post. Maybe that threw y'all - cos it was me who assumed when aeryck was laying in his bed, that he'd been asleep, too.Doesn't this just show how easily we make assumptions based on past experience - like bed=sleep? :-PAnnie,I'm sure your anxious post serves a purpose here, for those who may not be sure when God is speaking to them, who do need to develop their discerning faculties. I once was such an one.However, I do think it's unlikely the enemy would be feeding relevant scripture verses to the saints. Don't you? (There is another poster on SI who also gets chapter and verse ringing through their head.) This has NEVER happened to me! :-( (Maybe God knows I needed to read a lot more before there was any possibility of it!)Yes, it takes time to learn to recognise the character of God's voice through the Spirit illuminating scripture and also when He speaks not through scripture directly, but, this discernment is needed by all saints as a basic faculty for preserving them from avoidable harm. The less sound doctrine one has heard in churches, the more God uses His word to correct what one believes. On being vulnerable to receive from the wrong spirits, I agree there is danger, and personally, fought a very long battle against what can go on during those twilight hours - and what one can be woken up for, from sleep, because of dreams, evil spirits or memories... BUT THROUGH IT ALL, I have found God more than faithful. He has spoken to me in dreams, and used them to strengthen my faith. Many times when I've just woken up and am ready to be written on like a fresh sheet of paper (because, as Compton said, our minds are not cluttered with the care of the (previous) day - at least, that's one aspect of what I think he was meaning) God has connected my understanding to truth, both in a revelatory way, and in bringing scripture together with 3D events (in which I've played a part) to elucidate His mind.Of course, the enemy isn't keen on this procedure going smoothly all the time, but, God's word has an enduring quality and He is not a pushover. I know I've made BIG mistakes in what I've been gullible enough to believe in the past, but that comes/came from other influences such as other people's ideas, or, my own desire to sin. I believe now, (and my testimony in the second post happened nearly 10 years ago), that I'm more attuned to the voice of the Shepherd. Certainly, I am not advocating that a believer should give obedience to the voice of another. But, neither is it possible not to 'hear' that there are other voices and as you remind us (as Paul) none of them are without significance. The believer always has the power of choice, and I believe we are 'kept by the power of God' as we choose to bring ourselves under His lordship.

Dorcas my friend, I think you should maybe re-read my post ... because it will show that I feel that our relationship with the Trinity in this age makes ANY possibilities on how HE may chose to express Himself to us or use us or speak or give direction.And please learn that that post was not an "anxious" post, as you called it. I mean that in friendship in peace, but it is just truth.There will always be 2 sources of spiritual phenomena, and one must learn the difference, and all the more as we are entering the Last Days.I did not include you in my defense of Aeryck, because I could not say to 'whoever' that you did not "just wake up", as what seemed to be the rebuttal here about your and Aeryck's post.Love you sister.Annie

Re: by Nellie on 2005/8/22 10:16:17Amen Annie.I love the Scriptures.I agree with you about the false prophets and teachers, angels of light.I know these aren't your exact words, butI have found out that they are everywhere.One thing that has helped me is to keep a Journal of what God shows to me, and then when I'm being attacked by the enemy, I can re-read what He has given to me, and know what a great God we have.I'm of the age that He gives me dreams.How I praise Him for it.Just check for the fruits of the Spirit.God Himself will show His Children.We are to turn our eyes upon Jesus, so much the more now, than ever before.God Bless all of you.NellieThat's a beautiful post Nellie and very Sound.God Bless you and your prayers for yourself and the others you fellowship with :-).Praise God !!!Annie

PHILO -Jesus declared ....Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.Here in the Temple, Jesus read from Isa 61:1 & 2, BUT, He had to stop short there, because verses 3 on 'WERE YET to be fullfilled'.If you understand how partial quoting in the N.T. of the OLD, had a "very significant" reason .... because those days had not come as yet and are still future tense, then you'd understand why Peter only quoted two verses from Joel 2.That is False Doctrine to say we have been in Joel chapter 2 since then. How on earth have we been in Joel chapter 2 since Pentecost, with the exception of the only 2 verses Peter quoted, Just as Jesus only quoted His Two, for the Same reasons ???I think you better go back and read that chapter again.If you're familiar with Daniel & Revelation as you say, then let's get a Good thread started on Daniel and Revelation, cuz that's my very best favorite subject. :-DDan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.

There will always be 2 sources of spiritual phenomena, and one must learn the differenceAnnie,Isn't that just exactly what I said? :-PIs this a classic case of crossed wires? :-(I thought I was backing up what I understood to be the content in principle of your post...Yes, you sounded 'anxious', to me. If you're not 'anxious' that's great.... my mis-hearing.And I didn't notice your defence of aeryck, at all sorry! Now that I know that's what you had in mind, I'll come back and re-read the whole thread and see if I understand it better, later. Personally, I thought Compton's contribution about sleep, to be very relevant, in light of my having just woken in the account I gave of my experience. I haven't explained clearly enough.... I had prayed the Lord would bring a clue to me in the morning, as I was finding He often gave me new understanding as I woke up. The word 'worship' which I 'heard' in my spirit, was the LORD speaking to me. This was my missing link conceptually. Now all I needed was the place in scripture that proved it. I hope this makes more sense to all reading.

I liked Compton's article too, like I told him.And all three of me, understands you completely :-? :-P :-D :-) ;-) Love you !!!me again