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lwpray Nov 8, 2003

The ForthtellerBy Lars Widerberg1. God is never intimidated, nor silenced by Babylonian dizziness, drunkenness or delusion. God is not perplexed, nor is his ability to take action curtailed when encountering the maelstrom of confusion which gets rougher and tougher in the endtime. A relevant, heavenly plan is set in motion within any given Babylonian society to bring salvation to the afflicted as well as judgment on perpetrators. The plan is a man. The plan is a person, a prophet. The plan is a prophet who reflects the very obedience of the Lord, Jesus Christ himself. He may be a Jeremiah, a man of tears, about whom the Lord said: ”Before conception there was a concept.” - Jer 1:5. He may be an Ezekiel, whom God asked ”Will you judge the city?” - Ez 22.2.Before man is, there is a concept. Long before salvation is brought about, there is a plan. Before there is a prophet in making, there is a royal command. Most likely the things and the men that are not, are chosen for the task to nullify the things that are, 1Cor 1:28.Prophets are commissioned, sent by royal command. Prophets are ambassadors - speaking and acting on behalf of a peculiar nation not belonging to this world. They are seldom welcomed, at least not by the undisciplined, disobedient crowd. He is certainly recognised, but rarely accepted. To label him a recognised prophet is to disarm him and lock him into the system which he is sent to confront. A true prophet is not an attraction in crowded auditoriums.See also:The Seer

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lwpray Nov 8, 2003

2. Paul describes a delicate aspect of the prophetic office in his first letter to Timothy. His own role was founded on a royal command, 1 Tim 1:1. The young man, Timothy, receiving the letter was set apart for no easy task. His allotted part of in the work was to ”stay behind”, to bring order through instruction. He was divinely commissioned through prophesy to preach a moulding, formative message - 1 Tim 1:3, 18. The two letters to the young brother belong to a small group of letters labelled pastoral letters. The pastoral words and colours used are anything but picked from a pastel palette. Two of the keys to the first letter to Timothy are the Greek verb paraggellein, and the great words of the Holy Spirit - parakletos and parakalein. These words are indeed provocative. The Parakletos is the Spirit of truth, the teacher, the interpreter and the one reminding the obedient listener. Usually, the word is taken to mean to comfort, but it is by far the rarest meaning of the word. Even if it is to be taken in that sense, it still has the background of a comfort that makes a man able to stand on his two feet facing life. Parakalein is used of exhorting troops who are about to go into battle; it is the word of the rallying-call. Paul said: ”I urge you to remain… to confront false doctrine”, 1 Tim 1:3. ”I urge you first of all to pray…”, 1 Tim 2:1.

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philologos Nov 8, 2003

Hi LarsOur English language is constantly being diluted and the word 'comfort' is one such example. You can still see the word for 'fortify' in it if you look closely but most people now think of comfort in terms of consolation and solace. There is a great phrase used to express Jonathan's support of David. It says 'Jonathan strengthened David's hands in God'. I think that captures the old meaning of the English word 'comfort'.I sometimes think the best all-purpose English word to express 'parakaleO' would be the word 'encourage'.BTW are you indicating that you believe Timothy's role was that of a Prophet? I wonder why you say that. As far as I know there are only 3 named Prophets in the NT (although we might deduce others) and Timothy is not among them. I think it is difficult to put a label to Timothy's role; he was some kind of apostolic delegate. The old KJV adds a little explanation at the end of 2 Timothy which describes him as "ordained first bishop of the church of the Ephesians", but this is our Anglican friends rewriting history.Both Timothy and Titus are 'apostolic delegates' and Paul's placing of them in their roles was obviously important. I don't read of Prophets being subject to that kind of delegated authority. I think the whole issue of apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors/teachers is one which will repay some careful thought. I suspect that their 21st successors fulfil a somewhat different role. Perhaps we can consider it in another thread sometime.

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lwpray Nov 9, 2003

The roles and functions of prophets are perhaps as many as the men chosen for the task. Their personalities colour their work – Jeremiah with his tears,Isaiah – the royal touch,Ezekiel – the systematic mind.I say that Timothy was sent to do what prophets do, to deliver a formative, even a confrontative message.These men had the function, but did not care much for the title as they went to do the work.We care very much for, we are very impressed by titles but do not rehearse and practice to be able to get a grip on the reality, on what we are supposed to do.Too many believe that a weekend seminar together with some Name highlighted by laying on of hands and the impartation of something that looks and feels spiritual will do the trick.Lars

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lwpray Nov 9, 2003

3. The other word, paraggellein, is repeated again and again in the pastoral letters. The mildest and most soothing word found in the English would be to instruct. First and foremost it is a military word - a command issued to soldiers. It does not relate to harsh judgmentalism. Holiness is never harsh. Paul says, ”Prescribe these things…”, 1 Tim 5:7. Prescribe, instruct, teach, charge, urge, command, demand. These are words used of doctrine relative to right, godly living. These are words calling for adherence and summoning responsibility.The prophet brings the people of the Lord to obedience. Prophecy allows us to look into what the Lord is planning to do, but the greater part of the work of the prophet is related to what the people is supposed to do. His work is to put the people to work. Christianity is not an exciting and thrilling experience, it is blue collar work. Christianity offers lessons in the art of godly and righteous living according to heavenly pattern and protocol. There is no finality to Christian faith and living this side of eternity.See also: The Seer

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lwpray Nov 10, 2003

4. Our prophet is a forthteller. This aspect of the prophetic office deals with royal commands and heavenly demands. His words are distinct, ”It has to be said of you…”. His words are sobering and humbling. They bring you back to the Cross. They call for repentance. They are confrontative, they hold admonition and bring warnings. Our prophet is a forthteller. He dares to be labelled as offensive. He certainly rocks the boat. He creates disruption and disunity for the sake of unity built on righteousness.Our prophet is a man who, like Jeremiah, is told to keep quiet for the sake of unity. Bringing unity at the cost of holiness will open for antinomianism, lawlessness, and will in the end lead parts of the Church to bow down to an antichrist. The community of churches, denominations and religious multi-structures are all too eager to display a unity belonging to this inferior category. Their efforts prophesy the spiritual disunity existing as a provocative force before the Lord. He is not perplexed by the Babylonian confusion. He knows how to divide between right and wrong, between holy and profane. Amazingly, Jezebel rules among those who profess the gift of discernment. Amazingly, too much prophecy stems from a gnostic/spiritistic source at the so called schools of prophets of today. Forthtellers, speak up. Forthtellers admonish and charge the straying sheep and their leaders.

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lwpray Nov 11, 2003

5. The prophetic office has not changed its design or function as it moved from the older dispensation to the newer. There is no new dimension or pattern to be taken on by prophets of today. God is moving along the same paths as in the olden times. God is, and was, and is to come. He is light, never changing, no shades. There is no present day truth - what is has always been. What is available to the Church of today has always been at hand - holiness and godly living. The gnostic prophet believes in a ”new thing-ism” - new truths and experiences gushing forth. His reformation is a reinterpretation of the Book, reducing the message of the Cross, allowing Flesh to stay alive. There is no truth but everlasting truth. The present day truth offer excitement to itching ears. The Old prophets spoke perfectly true about our days. The true prophets of our days bring the people in line with the message of old.A prophetic message demands response. A message heard today to be forgotten tomorrow, allowing the listener to run for new revelations tomorrow holds no prophetic quality. Prophetic forthtelling captures hearts and touches consciences. Prophetic forthtelling enlightens souls and reinstructs minds. Forthtelling reintroduces the Cross and installs it as the focal point it is meant to be. Prayer puts God to work. Forthtelling puts the people to work in right and honourable praying. The forthteller is commanded to speak out - Ez 20:46. He is instructed to prophecy against - Ez 21:2. He is even there to judge - Ez 22:2. The Lord gives words to the forthteller; ”Say to her” - Ez 22:24-25.

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lwpray Nov 11, 2003

6. The prophet knows what time it is, knows what kind of time it is. He holds prophetic understanding of the mentality and mood of this present time. He identifies and knows the trends of a society by looking at its roots. He is able to analyse trends and upcoming events by judging foundations. His words are a force against the mentality of the day. His words are purifying words, never playing the game of soothsaying, numerology and gnosticism. He rather cuts off the spiritistic influence and shortcuts the flow of falsehood.The forthteller is the cupbearer of the people. Probing and testing belong to his office. Food and wine was to pass the mouth of the cupbearer before reaching the king’s table. Food and drink must undergo complex scrutiny before served to the people. Certain men must be hindered from preaching strange doctrine, 1 Tim 1:3. Some careless and unloving ”prophetic leadership” dare leave the testing of the food to those who have no ability to discern. The poor and needy are the first to be sacrificed as always. Romantic prophecy, promising that God is going to increase, prosper and protect at all times, robs the people of a proper relation to reality. Prosperity prophets pacify the people.

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lwpray Nov 12, 2003

7. Genuine comfort makes a man able to stand on his feet - literally - facing reality. The Holy Spirit lifts you up form any fallen state to stand before the Lord. A prophet instils courage to take a stand. The forthteller leads the people step by step to come to her senses. The forthteller puts man in a position in which he will properly use any and all God-given faculties. He rules out passivity as an option.He never invites man to abandon thinking and probing. He never gives in to the cry for encouragement in a time when most of the people are heading in the wrong direction. Encouragement can never replace instruction in a situation of straying. Disobedience leaves no room for blessing. Blessed disobedience is counterfeit Christianity. Hananiah predicts prosperity within reach whenever he shows up, Jer 28: 3. Hananiah has no place among the forthtellers, he who makes the people trust a lie, v. 15. His fortune telling will mobilise a forthteller because he counsels rebellion against the Lord, verse 16. Obedience is the central theme of a forthteller.

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lwpray Nov 12, 2003

7. Genuine comfort makes a man able to stand on his feet - literally - facing reality. The Holy Spirit lifts you up form any fallen state to stand before the Lord. A prophet instils courage to take a stand. The forthteller leads the people step by step to come to her senses. The forthteller puts man in a position in which he will properly use any and all God-given faculties. He rules out passivity as an option.He never invites man to abandon thinking and probing. He never gives in to the cry for encouragement in a time when most of the people are heading in the wrong direction. Encouragement can never replace instruction in a situation of straying. Disobedience leaves no room for blessing. Blessed disobedience is counterfeit Christianity. Hananiah predicts prosperity within reach whenever he shows up, Jer 28: 3. Hananiah has no place among the forthtellers, he who makes the people trust a lie, v. 15. His fortune telling will mobilise a forthteller because he counsels rebellion against the Lord, verse 16. Obedience is the central theme of a forthteller.

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lwpray Nov 13, 2003

8. Mature men bring maturity. Leaving the sheep to find their own way displays lack of love and insight into the laws of spiritual growth. ”What you have heard from me, entrust it to faithful men.” - 2 Tim 2:2. Hype generates hype. Immaturity never produces maturity. You become like the ones you befriend. You become like the one you worship, Ps 115:8, 2 Cor 3:18. Prosperity prophets dare to offend the little ones. Forthtellers speak up for the sake of healing and comfort. Forthtellers come to the defence of the weak. Forthtellers shut the mouth of a soothsayer. There is a prophetic war going on. The Babylonian hype and confusion is to be judged in the end time. The vanity prophets even dare to reinterpret the book of Revelation, trying to overrule and overcome the very prophesies of Jesus for the sake of securing a greater and brighter future ruled by themselves. A true prophet heals, prophets bring safety and dignity by speaking up amidst the Babylonian golden hype.

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lwpray Nov 13, 2003

9. The doctrines of a vanity prophet are to be split in three main sections. He stands for infallibility. As he is commissioned, a man of God, he cannot and need not be corrected. He has chosen not to listen. Romans 8:2 is one of his favourite words, and he uses it as a shield. There is no condemnation for the ones in Christ - do not touch the anointed. Made righteous in his spirit, his outer actions can be taken lightly. He is a holy spirit living in a body. As he is holy he cannot be touched. The ones speaking up against him must belong to the enemy camp.This brings us to the next section. Because the vanity prophet is a righteous spirit - a super human - having become like God, he also holds authority similar to God’s. Certainly, a Christian holds authority, but never on his own. The true Christian never act on his own - he is safely and obediently positioned under authority.

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lwpray Nov 14, 2003

10. Thirdly, these supermen, belonging to a new breed, holds power over all things by faith, by christianised mind over matter techniques. They hold on to a devastating, a very unchristian power doctrine which places them among spiritists and new-agers. This is the gnostic prophet.One writer has the following to say about the Greek word hubris: ”Its root is the violent overstepping of the mark, the insolence of triumph, and the pride of life that tramples under foot the unwritten laws of God and men. Hubris is the closest Greek equivalent for ”sin”. Its most characteristic application was to the insatiable thirst for power which drives a man or a nation headlong, as though possessed by a demon, on the path of unbridled self-assertion. This blinding passion, outraging alike personal liberty and public law, lures the victim in a frenzy of self-confidence towards destruction.”The basic evil of hubris is that when it enters into a man’s heart, that man forgets that he is a creature and that God is the Creator. Hubris is the sin whereby a man forgets his humanity and makes himself equal with God. Hubris is that insolent arrogance which forgets the essential creatureliness of the condition of being a man. Hubris and hype walk hand in hand in these our modern societies.

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lwpray Nov 15, 2003

11. The forthteller makes a man able to stand with his two feet on the ground facing life. The forthteller brings proper perspective. The forthteller calls the people of God back to the Covenant. He brings them back the sobriety. Christians do not take sides with worldrulers, Eph 6: 12. Forthtellers gather Christian soldiers to fight against the Babylonian confusion.Vanity prophets present and represent corrupted optimism. Their message is always one of God’s mercy even if the nation exposes and displays utter depravity. They always find something good about the nation, bringing it forth as a solemn sacrifice, as a peace offering to silence the anger of God. Theirs is a message of peace and prosperity amidst depravity and spiritual blindness.Gnostic prophecy produces empty speculations, 1 Tim 1:3-7. It is intellectually snobbish - dare to test it and the whip of slander will do its dance on your reputation. The union of the recognised issues a ban and you will be left out in the cold - count it as a true blessing. Prophets were never meant to form an upper class, out of reach, never listening. It is, by the way, a signature of the antichristian nature, I Joh 4: 6 - not willing to listen. The idea of a prophetic, intellectual aristocracy is falsehood.

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lwpray Nov 16, 2003

12. The young Timothy was called to a tough task, left behind to instruct and command the vanity prophets of Ephesus not to teach strange doctrine. The Spirit explicitly declares that in later times there will be a falling away, an apostasy led by spiritistically inclined vanity prophets who pay attention to doctrines of demons, 1 Tim 4:1. The young men of today who have been found faithful - 2 Tim 2:2 - will by the grace and help of the Paracletos find courage and wisdom to speak up, paraggellein, and to act as forthtellers.It is perhaps the young men who are called to the task of forthtelling in the end time. Jeremiah was a young man with eyes full of tears. It is the young men daring to live uncorrupted lives who will be able to confront the mind of a heretic. It is the young men who will move in with bravery, speaking up on issues on truth versus falsehood.The young men who have not accepted the mind and nature of a heretic, who have said a firm ”no” to the desire for novelty will bring the final uncorrupted testimony of the Living God into the Babylonian society. The forthteller carries a rod of discipline and a staff of comfort. The forthtellers do not use swords, they read the Book. They are extremely careful as to symbols and idioms, never allowing Jezebel to put her mark of compromise on their belongings and work. They know what God plans to do and are able to mobilise the people to co-operation. A people lead by forthtellers never sits idly watching, allowing Christianity to entertain. Forthtellers stand on holy ground together with a people longing for holiness.END

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TerryLee Nov 17, 2003

Dear friends,I can almost hear the wind of rugged reality blow in these sentences. No sentimentality, but determination become flesh.There is power here forcing men back to sobriety.We are certainly close to the prophetic dimension while reading through this whole text.Brother Terry

sermonindex Nov 17, 2003

Terry,Do we dare to suggest that it is a forthteller who wrote this whole thing?I sometimes wonder...Hanna

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TerryLee Nov 18, 2003

You know, Hanna, I know brother Lars.He is perhaps heading in the direction of a prophetic office.But he would never allow anyone to put such a label on him.Terry

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