Has anyone heard about this prophecy?

Has anyone heard about this?http://www.kimclement.com/words/2005/July222005.htm

It doesn't feel right. I think that's all I can say.

Filed under Deuteronomy 13

Hi Greg...!I agree. Kim Clement has come under fire by evangelical organizations for sometimes posting supposed "prophecies" after they were fulfilled (but dated beforehand). For instance, he posted a prophecy about the 2004 election the day after the election results were final! He has also made "prophecies" stating that "no Americans would be killed during the Iraq war," and that a cure for AIDS would be found by 2002. I am not saying that Kim Clement is not a Christian. But he doesn't meet the Biblical standard for a real prophet (as mentioned in an earlier post in this thread). Kim Clement may even be sincere -- believing that he truly speaks for God. But I would definitely look further into Kim Clement's "prophecies" before taking any of them to heart. :-)

Kim Clement is a false propeht. I used to follow him, and tested some of his predictions that he made would happen by certain date... that never ever did. Most specificially, I remember how he predicted that the Christmas of I believe it was 2004 would be the most noteably "best" Christmas ever, and yet it was quite normal by all accounts. There were other things too. He's simply another dime-a-dozen personal prophecy guy that's in it for the money, folks like LarsW used to warn us so much about.

I personally wanted to let everyone know here that when I posted that link, I know nothing of Kim Clement, that link was sent to me from a christian friend from my Bible Study group.

Hi YeshuaIsMyGD...!You're correct that these men who acts as "prophets" may be sincere in what they say and do. However, these men are not quoting themselves or other men when they speak. They are supposedly quoting God word-for-word. When they quote God so often, and yet nothing that they say comes to pass, then it is quite likely that they are not speaking for God."The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him." Jeremiah 28:9Many of these men have predicted things -- and those things never come to pass. But they don't tell their listeners, "Well, I meant well, but I seemed to have missed it." On the contrary, in order to keep up the "respect" for their ministries, they neglect to mention that they are just men who often miss the mark. They continue to speak for God, and hope for men to place their faith into their words. They are not like Samuel, where "none of his words fell to the ground." There have been several studies into the words of some well-known supposed "prophets" (like Benny Hinn and Kim Clement). Their words are so precise sometimes, yet so wrong. Much of what they say is stated and never remembered again. And again, much of what they "prophesy" is about "good things" that are supposed to happen -- but never come to pass. They sometimes almost seem like "fortune tellers" rather than prophets as recorded in the Scriptures.Does God still speak to and through men? Yes -- but not necessarily in the way that the modern charismatic movement displays. I remember listening to a testimony about David Wilkerson's first year back in New York (1987), where he warned his congregation about something that he felt during prayer concerning Wall Street. He asked some of his congregation to go with him to Wall Street the next day. That day, the stock market plunged into what became known as "Black Monday." And David Wilkerson and many of his congregation were there.I'm not even totally certain to the accuracy of this report, but at least such a story is plausible. David Wilkerson did write a book in the late 1960s or early 1970s that is surprisingly accurate (called The Vision). I only read through the book perhaps a year after coming to Christ, but so much of it sounded like it had come to pass. But I have never heard a specific prophesy from some of these other men come to pass. And that is the "litmus test" for their words. :-)

A prophet should continually act under direct guidance from God so that nobody could ever deceive him and that no mistakes could ever be made. However, there is no Biblical basis for such a belief. Prophets are mortal men who have been ordained and chosen by God to be a mouthpiece for revelation and guidance, but that revelation only comes when God wills it, making it somewhat sporadic in both ancient and modern times. There is no expectation that every act, every decision, and every purchase by a prophet will be divinely and infallibly guided. As Joseph Smith said, "a prophet is only a prophet when acting as such." Critics of the Church say this is a cop out, but it is true and Biblical. The Bible gives examples of prophets and apostles who were mortal and fallible, with obvious mistakes having been made by Jonah (shirking his duty), Moses (not circumcising his son), and Peter (denying Christ three times). But can real prophets be fooled by deceivers? Certainly. Joshua was fooled by the men of Gibeon, who came in disguise as if from a distant country when they were locals who normally would have been treated as enemies. In that story, given in Joshua 9:3Ð27, Joshua was deceived. He was a prophet, but he fell for the trick of the Gibeonites.

Hi MrBillPro and YeshuaIsMyGD...!I agree with you both -- that we should always "test everything and hold onto the good" (I Thessalonians 5:21). All believers are prone to making mistakes. As with the examples that you listed, it is quite wonderful that the Lord allowed such mistakes by men of God to be written. It reminds us about the fallibility of all men, and the need to rely on God for all things. But the greatest problem with such modern men who are considered by some to be "prophets" (like Kim Clement and Benny Hinn) is that they often make false prophesies. Many Christian "watchmen" organizations have even listed scores of false prophesies that were uttered by these men and others (available through a simple Google search). When confronted about their words, these men have not apologized for "missing it." Typically, they ignore their own words, offering no accountability to men for what they have said. But of course, they will be held accountable to God for every word that they utter.I am not saying that such men are not sincere. They may honestly believe that they are speaking the words of God. But when so many of their words are proven false, it might be honorable for men to say, "Pray about what I say." And it is definitely wise for all believers to "test" or "prove" what is said by any supposed "prophets." :-)

Chris wrote:Quote - Chris:“But when so many of their words are proven false, it might be honorable for men to say, "Pray about what I say." And it is definitely wise for all believers to "test" or "prove" what is said by any supposed ‘prophets.’“I agree with this suggestion from Chris and practice this myself. I recently wrote a thread called WARNING! WARNING! WARNING! BLOODY HANDS! If you go back to the original post you will find that I gave the Scriptures and what I felt the Lord was speaking to me through these Scriptures. After that, I posed the following questions with a call to pray over the answers and then a call for repentance. Quote - Christisking:“Please ask yourself the following question with honesty and pray that God will lay upon your heart the truth to these questions.What have I done to reach out to these poor souls who are under this terrible “ear tickling” deception and stand up against the “ear ticklers” who are leading them down the wide path to destruction?What more could I have done or be doing to reach out to these poor souls who are under this terrible “ear tickling” deception and stand up against the “ear ticklers” who are leading them down the wide path to destruction?What more could I possibly do to sound the trumpet and ring the alarm?Will my hands be spotless and clear of the blood of these poor deceived souls in my city or town on the day of judgment?I pray that the Holy Spirit will drive the knife of conviction deep into the heart of those who read this and have ears that hear and eyes that see.”This is a method of relaying a message that you will find I use often. Not every message is for everybody - it may only be for one or two or it may be for everyone who reads it - I don‘t know. This is a way you can stand firm and bold on the words of God and the message you feel He is giving you, but at the same time let the Holy Spirit do the work and be the one who is dogmatic.No one is right 100% of the time. We must be bold and sure but also careful when given a message we feel the Lord has spoken to us. You can not pull the Holy Spirit out of the equation. The Holy Spirit will reach those He wishes to reach. We always need to keep the Holy Spirit and His work the central theme.

KrispyKrittr wrote:

No one is right 100% of the time. My Mother-In-Law will tell you she is also heard her say this many times. :-?

As best as I have had experience with prophecy (in the form of predictive events) it has always had purpose and always been overly accurate or not so. Prophecy is accurate beyond measure, and anyone who is a prophet should know (yea, I am making a very strong and fast statement here) what that prophecy is. Prophecy is never, ever wrong, and if the prophet is not sure, no words should be spoken. I wonder how much Jeremiah was told that never left his mouth?I don't quite understand how we can "practice" prophecy. I have been in a place where this is... commonplace. But they also believe that prophecy is mostly feelgood uppers. That may be true, but I have a hard time buying into it (to this day, and I respect many of these men and women.)But how can you practice the word of God? Its either there or its not, and an unsureness of the word is a pretty decent clue that more digging needs to be done.But aside from all this, the one thing that I think really bugged me about this prophecy was the use of the phrase "servant Moses." Moses is dead. Figures are great, but why a very specific prophecy with vague inferences?