Hurricane Katrina Stops Huge Homosexual Party

Hi Krispy...!Is it not possible that God could have stopped this homosexual gathering without pouring out a blanket portion of "his wrath" that resulted in the death of many innocent people (including children and the elderly)? And if this is the result of God's wrath, then why did he not first pour it out on much larger events of unrighteousnesss? Many cities promote "legalized sin," like homosexual week at Walt Disney World, three major gay events in New York City, legalized prostitution and drugs in Amsterdam, homosexual "marriages" in San Francisco and Boston (and all over Canada), etc... The list could go on. It could also include nations that persecute Christians, like North Korea, China and nearly the entire Middle East. In other words, to consider this tragedy a "judgment" of God might be hastily placing the blame on the wrong person. I have noticed that some people on this message board have been very quick to label this disaster as the work and will of God. While God has permitted this to have taken place (as with all things on Earth), it is rather premature to say this was an act of God. Just as prosperity is not a sign of a person's righteousness, such hardships are not necessarily a sign of a person's (or an area's) lack of righteousness. Remember, there are some members of SermonIndex who live in the effected area too. :-) By the way, please continue to pray for the entire tri-state area, as they recover from this tragedy. I had a strong impression to pray for the President today. Please pray for the President as he travels to this dangerous area. This area is dangerous because of some acts of lawlessness, and the people (including the President) need protection.

Hi YeshuaIsMyGd...!I agree. All of these could be "signs of the times." But Jesus never said that these ecological disasters and "signs" would be the result of his actions, anymore than a "nation rising up against nation" was a result of his doing. And like you said, I don't want to chance being wrong in this. I would rather not verbally place the blame for this on God, especially since it is quite plausible that God did not directly orchestrate this event. What should we do? We should help those in need. And we should continue to stand up for righteousness -- especially to those that have been affected by this tragedy! We should teach, preach and urge people into the Kingdom of God. But we might want to refrain from telling people that this is the wrath of God -- especially since many innocent people and families (including children, the elderly and even many of God's own people) were affected by this.."There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."Luke 13:1-8 :-)

Hey guys, I'm not new to the site, but this is my first post. I appreciate your views and the opportunity to chime in.I am from one of the affected states, Mississippi. Not only that, but I have many family members and friends in the southern portion of the state, which is almost nonexistent now. I have yet to hear from one friend. My cousin's home in New Orleans is under 12 feet of water, but she did escape the city.There is no doubt this storm is a God thing. Lamentations 3:37-38 say all things, blessings and calamities, come from God. "37 Who is there who speaks and it comes to pass, Unless the Lord has commanded it? 38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both good and ill go forth?"But this is not only an act on the gulf coast and New Orleans, it affects the entire nation. Our economy is taking and will take a huge hit as a result of Katrina. America's sins are heaped up to heaven, and the church eager to join in. We must repent, as the Luke 13 passage warns. Thank you for including it."39 Why should any living mortal, or any man, Offer complaint in view of his sins? 40 Let us examine and probe our ways, And let us return to the LORD. 41 We lift up our heart and hands Toward God in heaven; 42 We have transgressed and rebelled, You have not pardoned. 43 You have covered Yourself with anger And pursued us; You have slain and have not spared. 44 You have covered Yourself with a cloud So that no prayer can pass through. 45 You have made us mere offscouring and refuse In the midst of the peoples. 46 All our enemies have opened their mouths against us. 47 Panic and pitfall have befallen us, Devastation and destruction; 48 My eyes run down with streams of water Because of the destruction of the daughter of my people. 49 My eyes pour down unceasingly, Without stopping, 50 Until the LORD looks down And sees from heaven." Lamentations 3:39-50 (NASB)

Hi Krispy...!"Do you not think that there were sincere believers in Christ who were effected when the prophecy about Jerusalem being destroyed came to reality in AD 70? And that was far worse than the hurricane."Which prophecy are you speaking of? I apologzie if this might be presumptuous, but I believe you refer to what Jesus said in Matthew 24:1-3"1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Some people do not realize that this has not taken place yet. There is a single wall from the Temple that remains standing in Jerusalem. It is known as the Western Wall, or the Wailing Wall. When Titus (the Roman General) destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D., it is rumored that he left this wall as a reminder to the Jews that Rome had left them desolate. Thus, an entire wall from the Temple remains, making the prophecy (as spoken in Matthew 24) left unfulfilled. As for the current hurricane (and the recent Tsunami), these are far from the most devastating natural disasters to occur on Earth in terms of either human life or economic impact. Are the hurricanes and earthquakes during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries (which resulted in incredible cost and loss of life) also a result of God's wrath? It just seems that we should be quite cautious about placing the blame on God as the perpetrator of this disaster. Like I stated before, it might be a sign of the times, but not necessarily the action of God. :-)

Hi Krispy...!This wall was part of the Second Temple that stood in the days of Christ. Solomon's Temple was plundered and destroyed in 586 B.C. by the Babylonians at the time of the exile. It was rebuilt in 515 B.C. (as recorded by the books of Ezra and Nehemiah). This is the Temple that was referred to by Jesus in Matthew 24:1-3. When the Roman general Titus led an army into Jerusalem, he destroyed most of the Temple, but left part of this particular wall up. Since there is still an entire original wall remaining in place from that Temple, it is safe to assume that the prophecy mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24:1-3 has as of yet gone unfulfilled. Here is a result of a quick Google search for some more info. I hope it helps.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wallhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Templehttp://www.templemount.org/secondtmp.htmlhttp://www.bibleplaces.com/westernwall.htm :-)

I was thinking, after looking at some of the Posts on the site, about Wrath and Judgment and the time being near.My thoughts were, there are not enough Christians to fill Heaven yet and there are too many to go to hell, hell would not be able to fit them all in.So we have some way to go before the end times.Mmmmm Thoughts! We do all have them, you only have to come to SI to see this. We as the Christians now, have to go much deeper in our faith with God. To recieve the converts in a revival and future revival. To begin to get near to the real end times.ellie

Does anyone have a link to a news story or anything of the homosexual events that were supposed to have taken place so I can document that?I can't bring the subject up without having a reference, otherwise it could be dismissed as an email hoax. Please post the link if you know it. Thx.

Here's a reference. I'm not sure how accurate they are, but they seem legit to me. . . http://www.istc.org/sisp/?fx=event&event_id=34549

Hi Krispy...!KrispyKrittr wrote:Perhaps, but I think you're contradicting what most theologians believed. Not saying theologians are alway correct... but what you're saying is very foreign to what has been believed for centuries. KrispyYou're right, this does contradict alot of what theologians have taught through the years. But that is not necessarily a bad thing. There are alot of things that have been "believed for centuries" that are now realized false. The condition of much of today's modern established Church serves as a testament to this.As stated before, the Romans (under Titus) destroyed much of Jerusalem and the Temple. However, Titus allowed one wall of the Temple (the same Temple that Jesus pointed out in Matthew 24) to remain as a sort of "symbol" that Rome had conquered them. Yes, they did steal much of the content (the extent of which is debated), but the Western Wall (now called the Wailing Wall) remains. It is considered the most holy place in all of Israel by the Jews. Many serious archeologists believe that this is one of the walls that encased the Holy of Holies. I did a few internet searches concerning the destruction of the Temple and Matthew 24:1-3. Most of these sites claim that the Temple was completely destroyed in 70 A.D., thus fulfilling the words of Jesus. However, this is false. The Temple was not completely destroyed. It is quite possible that the words of Jesus were not fulfilled, because a huge wall remains standing. Perhaps this was a sign to early believers that the end of all human history had not yet come. Or perhaps that wall will serve a greater purpose in the future.This is a source of alot of the modern conflict in the region. In 1989 and 1990, the Temple Mount Faithful Association attempted to lay a cornerstone for a future Temple. The Palestinians revolted against this, believing that any new Temple would threaten one or both of their mosques (Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa). Palestinians began throwing rocks, and it marked a beginning of the modern conflict. Is it possible that Jesus' words were fulfilled in 70 A.D.? Possibly. But it seems that his words would have indicated such. Instead, he seemed to indicate that every stone would be undone. This has not yet happened. Remember, the disciples asked immediately after Jesus spoke:"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Matthew 24:3Perhaps this is yet to be fulfilled before the Lord's return. "...whoso readeth, let him understand." :-)

Hi saints,As an FYI ( I don't want to get into the "judgment" issue of this thread ) ... I just wanted to add in that this "wall" in question that Chris is referring to that's left standing till today was not a part of the Temple, itself.Sometimes today it's called the "Western Wall" as well as the "Wailing Wall". It was the outer retaining wall on the western area of the Temple complex as a whole - but not a wall of the Temple itself.This outer retaining wall was built by King Herod during the decades preceding the birth of Christ - and was not a building project mandated by the Lord.Herod was certainly not one building according to anything other than his own gigantically bloated ego ( and he embarked on tons of building projects around the eastern roman empire to aggrandize his reputation )It can be certain that the Lord has never recognized any of this retaining wall as anything of value, but rather as part of Herod's ostentation program to over-awe the subjects. I've found it ironic that Jews today go pray at and kiss and weep over a wall built by a bastard ( I mean bastard in the sense that Herod was a half-Jew ... illegitimate, and paganistic in heart ) ... It's emblematic of how Jews have always missed the boat, [ Is. 6:9,10] save for the remnant of them who have believed in Yeshua as Messiah during this 2000 year "Church Age".Religious Jews wail their hearts out for a wall, but they certainly would not wail for the Lord Jesus Christ - their only "SON"baruch ( therefore, I think it's fair to say that Jesus' prophecy in Matt. 24 was fulfilled, in that He didn't recognize Herod's wall as anything of value/import )

Hi all, I'm new here ... I found your boards while doing a search for "hurricane Katrina prophecy". I found a very clear prophecy from Kim Clement dated July 22nd, 2005 at: http://www.soulkeepermusic.com/katrina.htm ... check it out ... he was pretty accurate!It seems clear to me that the hurricane WAS a judgement from the Lord for the ramped homosexuality and other sins of that city. BTW Krispy, you quoted a figure of 10,000 homosexuals that decend upon the city that week ... the figure is actually 100,000 (check out: http://www.tripsmarter.com/neworleans/archives/southerndecadence.htm)I believe the first stage of God's judgement upon an individual, a city, or a nation is simply the Lord removing His hand of protective grace and allowing our enemies to come against us (terrorists, natural diasters, sickness, etc...in other words, satan) and not God's wrath directly (read about God's judgement upon His own beloved Israel in the old testament ... He allowed her enemies to defeat her). And I believe more such "shakings" are coming for America if there isn't a genuine national repentance.I've been praying for the churches and ministries in the New Orleans area, for a fresh spirit of evangelisum, and that their number one concern would be for salvations! All the food, clothing, money, and other items that are being provided are necassary ... but will all pass away one day! God's ultimate desire in allowing something like this is genuine repentance and the salvation of souls!Amen,Geoffzie

Hi Baruch_48...!Thanks for the FYI. I have consulted numerous books and encyclopedias (including Jewish and Israeli archeological dictionaries), but none have given any agreeable placement as to where the Wailing Wall stood in reference to the Second Temple. Some state emphatically that this wall was built by Herod in 20 B.C., and others state emphatically that the wall was part of the rebuilt Temple of Ezra. But even more interesting is the passage found in Matthew 24:1-3. Regardless of whether this wall was one that was rebuilt by Herod or Ezra (or even Solomon), it was standing when Jesus was walking away from the Temple with his disciples. It even appears that Jesus was speaking about the entire Temple area when he spoke this prophecy:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? When the Roman general, Titus, destroyed the Temple in 70 A.D., he did not destroy this wall. In fact, he destroyed everything except for this wall. Some sources say that he did this purposely, as a monument to the region that Rome had once again conquered them. Other sources say he just left it standing because he thought that it was insignificant, since the bulk of the Temple was already destroyed. One source states that it was difficult for the troops to approach the wall with all of the ruins blocking the way. Other sources say that some of the Jews stood up to oppose him, hoping to protect at least a wall from the Temple Mount, thus distracting the Romans by drawing them into conflict as they fled to Masada. My dad has traveled to Jerusalem several times. He said that the stories about the Wall have changed almost as often as the tour guides. The reason I brought this up initially was concerning the reason that Jesus uttered the prophecy. The disciples were concerned about "signs of thy coming, and of the end of the world." Many theologians point that this was a prophecy of something that would occur a mere 40 years later. Perhaps it was. But is it possible that this was a prophecy to let the disciples know that the end would not come until all of the buildings (and walls) were destroyed?I know that this is just a possibility, and the traditionally accepted meaning of this prophecy is that it was fulfilled by Titus. But remember, some Church traditions that were accepted for years were proven wrong as time went on. I was not aware of such accepted Church-history traditions when I gave my life to the Lord. And after I read the Bible shortly afterward, I just assumed that there must still be "one stone upon another" since the rest of the chapter deals with the Lord's return.I'm not certain about what source you used to find your information, but here are a few links that I found. I also checked my Encyclopedia Britannica, Funk and Wagnall's Encyclopedia, Webster's Collegiate Encyclopedic Dictionary, and a few others too. As with every source, they should be viewed with intense scrutiny. Enjoy the search!http://www.bible-history.com/jerusalem/firstcenturyjerusalem_western_wall.htmlhttp://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-9076671http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Wallhttp://www.templemount.org/http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/wallname.htmlhttp://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Early%20History%20-%20Archaeology/Archaeological%20Sites%20in%20Israel%20-%20The%20Western%20Wallhttp://mosaic.lk.net/g-wall.htmlhttp://www.campsci.com/iguide/kotel.htmhttp://jeru.huji.ac.il/ec21.htm (Hebrew University -- but best to be read in Hebrew) :-)

I saw an article on the Fox News internet site last week. I was shocked to read that some people actually showed up for the event (a handful) and tried to carry on. It is an annual event and you may be able to go to fox news website, I actually found it another way, I'll get back with you when I verify it.