What Al-Quaeda wants...

The current nation of Israel is not God's Chosen, but the Jews are. Today is not the restoration of the kingdom; the current state is corrupt.Yr right, we must honor God's chosen people, but in the context that Christ spelled out when asked when He'd restore the kingdom. And yes, our chosen US policy puts a huge target on us.We will not find a good solution to our oil needs because of our greed and hatred. Drilling in ANWR but not offshore of Jeb Bush's voting block is bad policy...I am not defending Jihad; it is an abomination. But Jonathan Pollard and his supporters here and in the Holy Land are an example of the evil being directed towards our nation. ;-)

Good take!But... won't that just make it more obvious when it is here?Yr likely correct; it's not something to be flippant about; better safe than sorry. But I keep thinking about that fig tree...

Doesn't the name Al-Quaeda mean "The word?"As far as apostate religion, the OT gives many examples of God calling on the Israel to remove the idols and those who practiced spiritual adultery. Islam has it roots in the OT. It is not surprising that they too would hate all the outward manifestations of sin in their region of the world. The United States is the purveyor of all kinds of abominations that come with our presence there. Look at what has happen in Afghanistan. Once the Taliban were kicked out heroin production sky rocketed. I remember seeing news clips of Iraqi men seeking pornography once the U.S toppled that regime.What is the content of U.S. television? Many of us in this country will not watch tv because of the vile passions of sex and murder that are marketed to our population and throughout the world.U.S. nationalism is a religion unto itself. The pride of country blinds many with the wine of fornication from the seductress.This is not an endorsement of Al-Queada. But doesn't it prick the hearts of those who profess to be Christians on Sunday and live for the things of this world every other day.Muslims are willing to die for what they believe to be the truth. They are willing to stamp out the manifestations of all type of sin surrounding them. Yet they have no God. We who profess to have the Spirit indwelling in us show very little evidence that our God is holy.In ChristJeff

Hi...!"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee." Psalm 122:6 :-)

RookieI was somewhat alarmed at your post sounds like your taking sides with the Al-Queda somewhat. Lets remember why the U.S. is fighting this fight, do your remember the twin towers? All the innocent lives murdered there? Thats what they want to do to you and your family! I think its a good idea to get them first. Sure America is not prefect, but at least we not trying to blow up airliners into buildings full of civilians and cutting the throats of stewardesses and pilots to crash the airliner. Afghanistan has been a major grower/producer of poppies for heroin for decades. Please dont start sideing with them, the world is a mess, just read the gospel accounts of the end times, its not the U.S. fault. And by the way if you talk to your local gang member in the inner city whereever you live, he or she is also willing to die for the hood, sure doesn't make it a good thing.Carl

What I have read along time ago is that during the Dark Ages when writing and reading were minimal,All the british scholars went over to the middle east.Because they could make no leway here so they christianised the culture but I think they twisted it abit and ended up today as Islam. Islam is not christianity !! One thing if you ever talk to Muslims ask them about the period of Ignorance? This is a time when they had no God!A country Turkey used to be a christian country but got taken out by Muslims. I also asked one of my friends along time about Israel they liturally want it off the face of the planet!! They dont like Israel because Israel reminds them that is a God that is why all other nations do not want to exist because that proves that the Bible is real and that God is real and they cannot deny that!! I have eaten to much choclate forgive me for bein stupid Lord!!In the Bible it says that times will get worse but we have a saviour who will get us through it

Brother Carl wrote:Sure America is not prefect, but at least we not trying to blow up airliners into buildings full of civilians and cutting the throats of stewardesses and pilots to crash the airliner.This is true. The terrorists do not have the means to do what nations do to other nations. If I may draw an analogy to what I am trying to bring forth. A bank robber steals ten thousand dollars from a bank. If he is caught he spends 10, 20, or 30 years in prison. A CEO of a corporation can steal 100 million and be proven guilty yet society does not look upon his crime as it does upon the bank robber. The princes of this world destroy and murder those they do not even know. James 5:1 Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! 2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. 4 Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. 5 You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you. The princes of this world destroy through the manipulation of currencies. The princes of this world destroy through keeping back the wages so that they can live in luxury. This story was present in the times of Amos and it is present in these last days. Why does America need to be in Iraq? Why does America need to be in Afganistan? Why is America concerned with Venezuela? Why has America sent troops to Nicaragua 9 times in the last 100 years? Why?The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. The evil we see today is the result of unrighteousness. Study Scripture, it is given as an example so that we might not fall as others did before us. God gave rest to the nation of Israel during the faithful generations. God surrounded the nation of Israel with the adversary during the unfaithful generations. What generation do we live in, faithful or unfaithful? In ChristJeff

Rookie, I am sorry to hear you think that way. I am not really interested in political debates, I am full time ministry, however it sounds like you would be happier living in Afghanistan, why don't you go live there? Then you would not have to be bitter in this country of "evil money" the country you live in. If your going to be a traitor to your country then your country will be better off with out you in it. Your bitterness has roots that God can remove, the only question is whether you will open your heart to Christ for that to happen. Carl

Actually, traitor is the word for it. How many times do I hear the Liberal speakers tell us about the harolot church on SI? Talk about false accusers, look in the mirror. If you don't want to be loyal to your country why don't you go down with Chavez or Castro?2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. Paul used the word traitors above along with false accusers. I personally don't want to have part with your slandering talk either. Your backbitting of the president is nothing but evil. And this constant talebearing that goes on this forum from the left is not of God.Quite a few years ago I was at a chapel that someone was telling about a whole bunch of bad things that was going on in the churches. Everything that person said was probably true and I was in agreement with him. After the person walked out, the Chaplain said to me that the person who had been saying these things had something wrong in his life. As soon as the Chaplain said this, I knew it was true. That person was finding all this fault in others life and the real problem was his own life.Ezekiel chapter 34 speaks of sheep that butt with the head the other sheep. They muddy the water for the other sheep and tread down the grain of the other sheep. Did you guys ever think that maybe by slamming each other around there may be other people who are in need of something spiritual instead of how wrong you think everone else is. Maybe some of the Lord's lost sheep will wonder onto the next post your writing on. Do you really want to be spreading that left wing poison around here, or would you rather be speaking in the Spirit instead?In Christ,GaryE

Part of the volatility here I believe is that we prefer to discuss principles that few of us have the ability to live out. I admit in myself that my principles are often at odds with my practice.For instance I would want to be a pacifist...unless the moment should come when a predator break into my house. I would want to be a generous man...until someone habitually steals from my children. Likewise I would want to leave politics to the world, yet I can not in good conscience leave the dirty work, the unpleasant reality, the necessary machinations to those I claim are unprincipled and unenlightened. I would feel like a spiritual dandy, looking down on them even as they get mud on their souls so that my soul can remain clean.The issue is not whether America, or any nation is a "righteous" nation. That is a false discussion point from the start. The issue, for me is what kind of world will our children have to grow up in. Maybe this is what Bonhoeffer was seeing when he quipped, "Those without sin are perhaps the most guilty of all." So, do I think politics, the marketplace, and men fighting for dominance over one another are nothing more the system of Babylon? I most certainly do. This is why I can't understand Christians who aren't willing to participate in the scut work, disdaining other men who wade in the sewer so that they may be clean.In the end, our own purity from the world system is a daydream. We are all standing in the sewer. Every time you buy a television from Wal-Mart or fill your tank with petrol you are shaping the course of world events, laying another brick towards some conclusion or inevitable outcome. And, someday in the future when that outcome is reported through that television, or in that car radio on the way to work, there will be Christians who will be listening and telling themselves they had nothing to do with this world's system.MC

I am going to say this and then I am off this site, you all seem to need a place to argue your beliefs, but when Rookie starts making comments that justify Terrorism and undermines the country he lives in and then signs it in the name of Christ, and several of you are taking sides with him and telling me I am not Christian like, all I can do is pray for you cause I have ten or eleven sermons I could preach to you about that, obviously that won't work. Thanks for judging me and telling me to not judge! To bad a web site like this can't work without all the twisting you folks do. I agree with the one guy that said, this is not the right place to let your laundry hang out to dry, there just might actually be someone looking here for Jesus. And yes, I call him a traitor, because our country is at war, and he is justifing the enemies action. Hope you find better converstaions, Bye, Carl

I forgot about this thread and only now see the damage that I may have done. Sorry for the strong feelings that have come about by my thoughts. I do not consider myself to be Liberal or Conservative. I find no value in labels. I for the most part do not feel led to point out what is wrong Scripturally with those who label themselves Liberal. It is very clear how they are subject to the depravity of men. What I do endeavor to do is to point out circumstances which appear to have merit but still are subject to fallen man. Nationalism blinds because Scripture teaches that pride causes one to choose to remain blind. The spirit of pride is of Satan. Listen to Scripture when it speaks of the nation of Babylon and it's leader. Is. 14:3 It shall come to pass in the day the LORD gives you rest from your sorrow, and from your fear and the hard bondage in which you were made to serve, 4 that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say:\t“How the oppressor has ceased,\tThe golden city ceased! 5 \tThe LORD has broken the staff of the wicked,\tThe scepter of the rulers; 6 \tHe who struck the people in wrath with a continual stroke,\tHe who ruled the nations in anger,\tIs persecuted and no one hinders. 7 \tThe whole earth is at rest and quiet;\tThey break forth into singing. 8 \tIndeed the cypress trees rejoice over you,\tAnd the cedars of Lebanon,\tSaying, “Since you were cut down,\tNo woodsman has come up against us.’ 9 \t“Hell from beneath is excited about you,\tTo meet you at your coming;\tIt stirs up the dead for you,\tAll the chief ones of the earth;\tIt has raised up from their thrones\tAll the kings of the nations. 10 \tThey all shall speak and say to you:\t“Have you also become as weak as we?\tHave you become like us? 11 \tYour pomp is brought down to Sheol,\tAnd the sound of your stringed instruments;\tThe maggot is spread under you,\tAnd worms cover you.’ 12 \t“How you are fallen from heaven,\tO Lucifer, son of the morning!\tHow you are cut down to the ground,\tYou who weakened the nations! 13 \tFor you have said in your heart:\t“I will ascend into heaven,\tI will exalt my throne above the stars of God;\tI will also sit on the mount of the congregation\tOn the farthest sides of the north; 14 \tI will ascend above the heights of the clouds,\tI will be like the Most High.’ 15 \tYet you shall be brought down to Sheol,\tTo the lowest depths of the Pit. 16 \t“Those who see you will gaze at you,\tAnd consider you, saying:\t‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,\tWho shook kingdoms, 17 \tWho made the world as a wilderness\tAnd destroyed its cities,\tWho did not open the house of his prisoners?’ 18 \t“All the kings of the nations,\tAll of them, sleep in glory,\tEveryone in his own house; 19 \tBut you are cast out of your grave\tLike an abominable branch,\tLike the garment of those who are slain,\tThrust through with a sword,\tWho go down to the stones of the pit,\tLike a corpse trodden underfoot. 20 \tYou will not be joined with them in burial,\tBecause you have destroyed your land\tAnd slain your people.\tThe brood of evildoers shall never be named. 21 \tPrepare slaughter for his children\tBecause of the iniquity of their fathers,\tLest they rise up and possess the land,\tAnd fill the face of the world with cities.” 22 \t“For I will rise up against them,” says the LORD of hosts,\t“And cut off from Babylon the name and remnant,\tAnd offspring and posterity,” says the LORD. 23 \t“I will also make it a possession for the porcupine,\tAnd marshes of muddy water;\tI will sweep it with the broom of destruction,” says the LORD of hosts. 24 \tThe LORD of hosts has sworn, saying,\t“Surely, as I have thought, so it shall come to pass,\tAnd as I have purposed, so it shall stand: 25 \tThat I will break the Assyrian in My land,\tAnd on My mountains tread him underfoot.\tThen his yoke shall be removed from them,\tAnd his burden removed from their shoulders. 26 \tThis is the purpose that is purposed against the whole earth,\tAnd this is the hand that is stretched out over all the nations. 27 \tFor the LORD of hosts has purposed,\tAnd who will annul it?\tHis hand is stretched out,\tAnd who will turn it back?” Is. 14:28 This is the burden which came in the year that King Ahaz died. 29 \t“Do not rejoice, all you of Philistia,\tBecause the rod that struck you is broken;\tFor out of the serpent’s roots will come forth a viper,\tAnd its offspring will be a fiery flying serpent. 30 \tThe firstborn of the poor will feed,\tAnd the needy will lie down in safety;\tI will kill your roots with famine,\tAnd it will slay your remnant. 31 \tWail, O gate! Cry, O city!\tAll you of Philistia are dissolved;\tFor smoke will come from the north,\tAnd no one will be alone in his appointed times.” 32 \tWhat will they answer the messengers of the nation?\tThat the LORD has founded Zion,\tAnd the poor of His people shall take refuge in it. What do we see here in Scripture? What nature does the king of Babylon take on? He himself became like Lucifer who wanted to be like God. Pride always, always comes from the sin that entered the earth. I would encourage all to study Scripture that speaks to the kings of this world. The nation of Israel in the OT suffered over 75% of the time under the rule of wicked kings. Just go through 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles and list what Scripture teaches about the kings of that time. Scripture teaches that many of these kings lead the nation into wickedness. Read the book of Daniel, what does it say of the nations and governments that did and will come to dominate the world? I too suffered from the religion of nationalism. I too struggled with always asking why, why do the men and women who rule allow evil to grow. Then one day God gave me peace. I finally accepted the doctrine of total depravity. The peace came because I knew at that moment there was no longer hope for this world.In ChristJeff

Rookie, yr no rookie.You got nothing to fret. There will always be 'Better dead than red', or 'My country, right or wrong' Christains who just have to always be Martha, instead of Mary. :-o Isolationists, UN haters, Pat Robinson asking for Chavez' head, etc., will never serve America's interests. And the give Al Qaida more ammo and fuel...These guys were preaching during our slave days, jim Crow times, Dred Scott, 'Nam, and the McCarthy era. Test the fruits...