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HopeinChrist Sep 25, 2005

I have always heard it said that there were no big sins and little sins, from God's perspective all sins were equal. I really had never questioned it before. Does anyone know of any scriptures to support this? The following two would seem to dispute this line of thinking.Eph. 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.1Cr 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Hope

sermonindex Sep 25, 2005

If the definition of "sin" is to "Miss the Mark" and "The Mark" is coming into the IMAGE OF CHRIST .... then the best of us sin way too much, and that's easy to admit.But I'd say you have hit on some truths here Hope.We are "learning" what the Image of Christ is, and that's a progressive revelation (though sometimes can happen in a POW experience) and we're all going through a progressive 'sanctification', and we can stall that process with "self" or speed it up by Desiring to die to self ..... but in the meantime ....God needed us to know that there are sins that He cannot accept, most especially in The CHURCH which is HIS BODY.We're One Body, with One Head, so whatever we do in our bodies, or those listed in just those two references you've given,, is not only against Him, but against each other, Because, like it or not, we're connected. Truly connected. Definitely connected. No doubt about it connected.Even if it seems like a "too spiritual" of a phenomena or concept, it doesn't make it any less true. WE are one.I think of how much we are to love each other.Today, again I was thinking of how we should love each other as much as our own children.Willing to die for each-other.It was neat to just recline there and dwell on those thoughts earlier.Thanks for contributing to this place Hope :-) .Love.Annie

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letsgetbusy Sep 26, 2005

Agreements with that post, Gran.While all sin is equal in God's sight, there are some sins that cannot be tolerated among church staff, and some sin that cannot be tolerated by anyone in attendance.1 Tim 3 on the bishops/deacons:[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;[3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;[4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;[5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)[6] Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.[7] Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.[8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;[9] Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.[10] And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.[11] Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.[12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.[13] For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.Titus on the bishop:[6] If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.[7] For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;[8] But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;[9] Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.So while sin is sin, there is still a standard that must be upheld among the staff.Matt 18 / 1 Cor 5 on how to deal with people in the church involved in certain sins:Matt 18:[15] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.[16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.[17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican....remember that Jesus went to the heathen and the publicans to reconcile them, and was ridiculed for doing so.1 Cor 18[1] It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.[5] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.[11] But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.Most skip this, as I have done in the past, but this is how to reconcile those who have fallen in these sins:2 Cor 2[6] Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.[7] So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.[8] Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.2 Thes 3[6] Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.[14] And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.[15] Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

sermonindex Sep 26, 2005

I know of a few that go against it. Because someone last year brought this topic up and showed me a few scriptures..and now i've just kept it 'open' until further Truth from God.Matt. 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47, Lam. 4:6 (could be amount), John 19:11, Ez. 8:6 (NLT), Ez. 8:13 (NLT), Ez. 8:15 (NLT)There might be others that have left my sight.But in going to heaven and being right with God, there is not 'little sin'. If we aren't blameless before God, we are damned. Simple as that and Christ is our covering.

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PaulWiglaf Sep 26, 2005

Two wise words:First from the Lord, "Be holy, for I am holy." (1 Pet. 1:16)Also, from C.S. Lewis: "If we insist on keeping Hell (or even earth) we shall not see Heaven; if we accept Heaven, we shall not be able to retain even the smallest and most intimate souveneirs of Hell." (The Great Divorce)

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HopeinChrist Sep 26, 2005

Thank you YeshuaIsMyGd. Those are some good examples and bring more clarity on the issue.Hope

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roadsign Sep 26, 2005

Jesus has a way of flipping things over: If we read the comments he made towards the Pharisees, we’d have to agree that to him the greater sins were those committed of the religiously upright. On the contrary, Jesus seemed to be very merciful towards the sinners – those who were the most condemned in their society. (They weren’t hiding behind any righteousness)It seems as if it is not necessarily the “degree” of sin in itself that is the issue, but WHO commits it. Those in positions of authority are going to be judged more severely. That is because people look up to them and follow them. They have power to lead a lot of people off track, and to quench the spirit through wrong teachings, control, and domination if their hearts are not under the authority of Christ and the Word. It also seems that those who have much, much is expected of them. So if we HAVE God’s truth ex Bibles, knowledge of right and wrong, a godly heritage, then more is expected of us than those who don’t have that. Those who have tasted the mercy of God, (like Israel in the desert) and then reject it have committed a greater sin than those who have as of yet not become aware of it. (Hebrews)It seems like the biggest sin is refusing to admit one’s sinfulness, and see no need for Christ’s mercy. They always are defending their rightness, and can't admit their wrongs. I don’t think we always catch this truth. We are too busy sizing up sins by degree and deciding what sins we can permit and what ones we must try to “stamp out”. We end up accepting the highly polished hypocrites and chasing away those who don't have the where-with-all to polish themselves, but desperately need the loving environment of the church in order to see a better way and discover God’s healing forgiveness (And that takes time)Diane

sermonindex Sep 26, 2005

Because, like it or not, we're connected. Truly connected. Definitely connected. No doubt about it connected.Annie, I just had to quote that! :-) And this, Yeshua,But in going to heaven and being right with God, there is not 'little sin'. If we aren't blameless before God, we are damned. Simple as that and Christ is our covering.although you'll find 'covering' is an OT concept which has disappeared in the NT completely. The effect is still there - 1 John 1:7, 1 Cor 1:30, Heb 10:12 - 14, Eph 1:7 - there are many more.It seems like the biggest sin is refusing to admit one’s sinfulness, and see no need for Christ’s mercy.John 168 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.Y'all, I don't see the evidence for the sin itself being the critical factor. There may be critical factors, such as responsibility and trust, but, I suspect they too are between the Lord and the person. Even so, the punishment for those who don't make it is going to be the same = equal.Jesus talked about being forgiven much or little but I don't think it was to do with varieties of sin. Luke 7:47 Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. This is a good question, Hope!

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KingJimmy Sep 26, 2005

All sin is sin. However, some sins are greater. Jesus spoke of in Matt 23:23 that there are weightier matters of law. If there are weigthier matters of the law, then it there are indeed greater degrees of sin. We tend to think of the big sins as being those sins that have an "icky" factor about them e.g homosexuality. However, Jesus said the weightier matters of the law are justice, mercy, and faithfulness. It is a greater sin in the eyes of God to show favoritism than a homosexual (justice). It is a greater sin in the eyes of God to be unmerciful than a homosexual (mercy). It is a greater sin in the eyes of God to be wishy-washy and untrustworthy than a homosexual (faithfulness). Such "gross" sins, usually ones sexual in nature, we tend to think the worse of. But God does not. Such "icky" sins ultimately have their roots in these graver matters of God's law, and a lack to adhere to them.

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Eli_Barnabas Sep 26, 2005

What about this Scripture? I haven't figured it out yet:"If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death." - 1 John 5:16-17

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HopeinChrist Sep 27, 2005

There have been some very good responses on this, giving me much more to think about, especially the question added by Eli_Barnabas on 1 John 5:16-17 . I have no idea what that means, hopefully someone will chime in on that with some revelation.Quote DorcasEven so, the punishment for those who don't make it is going to be the same = equal.How about this scripture posted by YeshuaIsMyGd ---Lamentations 4:6 For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.I read the chapter but probably need to go further back. I admit I do not really understand the context of this verse and whether it is referring to punishment on earth or eternal judgment. ???

sermonindex Sep 27, 2005

What about this Scripture? I haven't figured it out yet:"If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death." - 1 John 5:16-17Eli,I've always linked this reference to death to what Jesus said about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit being unforgivable. (Be clear this is my understanding of the reading and should be further discussed.) The clearest report of this is in Mark 3. It's not the only mention in the New Testament but the juxtaposition of thought is easiest to follow here.22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, "He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils".23 And he called them and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. To Lamentations 4:6 I would addIsaiah 401 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins. I have heard 'the double' defined as a legal term which used to be applied to debts (written down), which when the paper folded over to show cancellation through payment, was called 'the double'. I haven't researched this. I'm sure it may have been true at some stage in history. But, I'm not sure it can be plonked into Isaiah with the same meaning.

sermonindex Sep 27, 2005

All through Deuteronomy, the condition for blessing was hearkening to God's voice and obeying His commandments. Really nothing has changed, as we find in John's writings. But back in Moses' day, God was already distressed by the lack of interest the children of Israel were showing in knowing Him and He promised them a hard time if they did not obey - which many of them did not but some did.From Deuteronomy 27:15 is a section about curses... reading on for the next few chapters gives a feel for all the prophecy which would come to pass as 'history' progressed.Deuteronomy 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: Deuteronomy 29:20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.Jeremiah 3129 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers ...As to understanding what has happened to the people to whom Moses gave the convenants, RobertW posted a series of articles in this thread recently.https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7260&forum=35&75The Big sins Little sins idea is easy to find in the OT. The system of sacrifices which also took into account the wealth of the penitent, can also be confusing. All that is done away with in Christ and not even money needed to buy one's own sacrifice - related to 'work' and 'earning' in a way - is involved.It's important to distinguish between what God said before Christ and what has been said by Christ and the apostles. 1 Peter 118 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, silver and gold, from your vain conversation by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.The above verses confirm a reversal of the OT system, from the person who had sinned providing their own sacrifice, to God who had not sinned, providing THE SACRIFICE. This really is an end of ALL sin to those who will receive it.

sermonindex Sep 27, 2005

Here's a question: how much did Jesus play on the 'big sins little sins' idea because He was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, knowing it was going to be done away with by His death, almost to prove a point?Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen [doth gather] her brood under [her] wings, and ye would not! Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Here is my last question: is this last verse the explanation for the 'double' for all her sins?She had rejected God at Sinai, now she rejected His Son. Double rejection. Double punishment.Think: parable of the vineyard andActs 222 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.... 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.37 Now when they heard, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men, brethren, what shall we do? Peter's words here show a paradox, because at the same time as acknowledging the 'determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God' regarding Christ's death, he still refers to those who crucified Him as having 'wicked hands'.We all know Jesus had to die for sin despite Peter's strong implication that there was a choice to not crucify Him. Then we remember, He died for us because He wanted to (John 10).Here is one last thought...Romans 1and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;29 Being filled with all unrighteousness,Any relevance of Big sins and Little sins is to do with the tab picked up by the sinner - 'the recompence of their error which was meet' - and for those who repent, a sense of lesser or greater deliverance and forgiveness which is directly related to how burdened the sinner had felt previously.

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