MUST SEE!!! MUST SEE!!! CHECK THIS OUT!!!

Check this out! Go to this church website and at the bottom of the page you will see a banner called "fire without brimstone" click there. Is this the new big "workshop" to hit the churches? I know this church is on the cutting edge of the Saddleback - Willow Creek curriculum/sermons series type of stuff.Kensington Community Church

I am shocked at how many professing Christians like to make jokes by mocking the scriptures. Jesus would not have been invited to teach there...

At first I thought it was a joke. Now I'm just sad, no..... heart broken :-o I'm not so sure I'd want to stand before Almighty God on the day of judgement giving that kind of counsil.

huh? :-? Please tell me what I missed? There is something that I am supposed to be seeing, but quite honestly, what?Maybe I'm just backslidden. Please pray that I wouldn't tolerate compromise.8-) :-P

You people went to those councils yet?Perhaps you should check it out before judging it.Have to admit that it doesn't look that appealing to me at first glance..

If you click on the banner "fire without brimstone" it takes you to the seminar page with its description I'll paste it here for you to see,, than you can judge for yourself. Fire Without Brimstone: New 1-part, four hour workshop (replaces Contagious Christianity)“You shouldn’t stand on a street corner and use a bullhorn to share your faith! And you don’t need to go door-to-door in your neighborhood either. Part of our Base Camp series, learn why evangelism isn’t what you think it is through interactive teaching, table discussion, and movie clips.” There it is , judge for yourself.

I have already signed up and am definitely going to this. You are right Greg, this is flat out lies, and someone needs to be a voice of Truth. I hope to take a couple dozen DVD’s of “Hell’s Best Kept Secret” and maybe “True And False Conversions” to pass out to the attendees, if the Lord is willing. Does any one know where I can get a couple of dozen of these DVD’s or any other resources that would be good to take with me. Anyone from the Detroit area that wants to go with - just let me know. Please pray that the Holy Spirit will speak through me and I may give a strong and good witness for Jesus Christ.

ChristiskingI'm sure if you contact Ray Comfort's ministry they will be more than willing to help you out

They are probably on this site. If you have a DVD burner, just use that.

You shouldn’t stand on a street corner and use a bullhorn to share your faith! And you don’t need to go door-to-door in your neighborhood either.A wrong spiritIt's the spirit behind it that speaks volumes. And a little bit of that spirit is being revealed through these two words: "You shouldn't..."I don't sense any kind of balance here. I don't sense any kind of love for the lost or love for those who preach Christ in these words. If they had read their Bible, they would have read: "What does it matter? The important thing is that in every way...Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice." (Phil 1:18)Now...to clarify this verse a little bit, it doesn't say: "What does it matter? The important thing is that their intentions are sincere...". I've heard this argument being used so many times: "but they do it with the right intensions". They sure do...but the Gospel isn't preached! So Paul says that he rejoices in the preaching of the true Gospel, even though the motives of those who preach are false. He doesnt rejoice in the preaching of a false Gospel, even though the motives of those who preach are true! ...and in this case...both the intentions and the Gospel are false. The intention is to provoke, not to win the lost to Christ. And the Gospel is false, because Jesus never says that we should not preach the Gospel on a street corner or whatever. He even says: "Go out into the highways and along the hedges, and compel them to come in, so that my house may be filled.Not a "should not", but a "need not always"I don't know if I'm going to step on anyones toes, but I say this with a sincere heart and a desire to see Christ magnified in this world through us...by God!Though I sense a wrong kind of spirit in the words of these people by saying "you should not!", I believe there is room in the Bible for a "not necessarily always need to". I don't necessarily agree with the people who say "you must go out and preach the Gospel on the street corners" as well. It's not a matter of "should", it's a matter of being in the will of God for your life. Oh, but let me clarify this once again, since so many people use this only as an excuse for not sharing Christ with people. You've probably heard this time and time again: "Well, I don't think I have the gift of being an evangelist". What nonsense! It's just like you see someone drowning and you say: "I don't think I have the gift of saving this poor fellow". How in God's name are you able to not share Jesus Christ with the people around you??The point I'm trying to make is very simple:"I held back nothing of what is profitable, so as not to announce [it] to you, and to teach you publicly and in every house..." (Acts 20:20)And a little but further on, Paul says: I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself...(20:24)For some of us, God has the calling to go and preach the Gospel on the street corners. On others He has placed an intense calling of living out the Gospel. Others have received the calling to teach the Gospel. Some of us may have a deep calling from God to pray for people (and let no-one take this calling lightly...as long as prayer doesn't become a subsitute of obedience!).And what's the purpose of it all? A purpose driven life? Forget it! Our chief end has to be the glory of God! Not our hapiness, nor our success, neither our ways of preaching Christ. Brothers and sisters...let us press on to know Him and to make Him known. By the way we live, speak, make choices, take a stand for Him, dress, pray, love, fellowship etc.And finally, for all of us may this be(come) true (and this certainly is a point of improvement in my life):"Christ in you, the hope of glory. Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus. To this end I also labor, striving according to His working which works in me mightily." (Col 1:27-29)In the One who deserves all glory and honor!Paul

Paul, excellent reply :-) In Him, Chanin

Just go to the home page and click on About Us and read what's there

This church is very, very, very successful in the eyes of man. But are they successful in the eye of God? They had over 20,000 Christ seekers come to hear their version of the gospel this past Easter. Is this a good example of how motive does not justify ones actions? Here is a story from the Detroit News.Church plans to create 40 more houses of worship :-o Kensington Vision looks to reach 250,000 :cry: By Amanda M. Wolfe / Special to The Detroit NewsTROY -- Officials at Kensington Community Church believe in sharing. The 6,000-member nondenominational Christian church, whose one-hour services include popular music, dance and drama performances, video presentations and a religious message, want to establish at least 40 similar churches across the globe that reach 250,000 people by the year 2020. The 20/20 Vision initiative strives to "look beyond the success of Kensington and try to make what's found here available to people everywhere," said Nick Boring, director of the effort. "We are the vessels to let the world know who Jesus is," said Debbie Cavender, who has been a member of the church since 1991. "You can't do that on just our church campus on John R and Square Lake Road." More than 12 churches have already been founded, Boring said, including seven in Michigan. Part of each new church's mission is to found newer ones, he said. The Vision initiative began six years ago when Kensington Senior Pastor Steve Andrews decided to act on the church's mission statement, which says, in part, "To turn people who think God is irrelevant into fully devoted, equipped and mobilized followers of Christ through the ministry of local churches." Fifteen percent of Kensington's $4.8 million budget is devoted to the expansion, Boring said. Church officials devised two ways to develop churches. One was to send members out to start other, similar churches. Genesis the Church of Royal Oak, which was established by Pastor Steve Norman about three years ago and aimed at people under 30, was the first of these internal church plants. The other way was to finance and give guidance to churches as they establish themselves. Kensington and B. Jaya Sankar created an alliance with Sankar's Christ Evangelical Mission church in India in December 2000, and 43 other affiliated religious institutions are the result of his work in the region. His church also founded a school, a medical clinic and two children's homes. Eric Winter, director of finance at Kensington, will leave in August with a group of 30 Kensington adults and 20 children to help found a new church in Salt Lake City, Utah. "We're selling our homes and quitting our jobs," said Winter, a six-year Kensington member who is moving with his wife, Paula, and two young children. "We are not planning on coming back." The program is working, Cavender and other Kensington church members said. "I think we've accomplished more than I thought we could" with the 20/20 program, Cavender said. "Our growth has been a blessing." Winter agreed. "I think it is going well," said Winter, who gave up his Kentucky bookkeeping and accounting business to work for the church six years ago. Such devotion is not unusual, Boring said. "Our church is aimed at those people who walked away from church and said they don't want to have anything to do with God," Boring said. Kensington was started in September 1990 by a core group of about 30 people whose first services were held in the cafeteria of Bloomfield Hills' East Hills Middle School on Kensington Street, said Karl Nilsson, communications director of the church. It is funded entirely by donations, Nilsson said. After moving many times, the church now occupies a 40-acre campus at John R and Square Lake Road that includes an arts school and broadcast center. Services are held three times Saturday and twice on Sunday. Once a month, the church also invites musicians of any faith to perform and lets other artists display their work. Amanda M. Wolfe is a Metro Detroit free-lance writer. :-o :cry: :-o :cry:

Christisking :-o :cry: :-o :cry: Not being at all immersed in the failings of this 'movement' what about this above article caused you to cry?

ZekeO,The message this church is preaching and reaching people with is straight from the pits of hell, wrapped up and presented in a Jesus package. When a false gospel is preached to hundreds of thousands of people, it is terribly sad to me.As Bomar said - “Jesus would not have been invited to teach there”

Fire Without Brimstone: New 1-part, four hour workshop (replaces Contagious Christianity)“You shouldn’t stand on a street corner and use a bullhorn to share your faith! And you don’t need to go door-to-door in your neighborhood either. Part of our Base Camp series, learn why evangelism isn’t what you think it is through interactive teaching, table discussion, and movie clips.”I think I read it too fast when I saw this on that site.. :oops: Like what Dez said.. 'Should not' is not biblical at all in this case.Thats like saying that streetpreaching is wrong. Which is not.And tnx for pointing to the text dohzman!

Mark 6:[11] And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.[12] And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

From what I am seeing on an increasing measure in the churches, like this one is this.I'll give you an example from scripture than an observation. They quote a scripture like John 8:32 you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. They will build a entire message on being free, and who wants to be free etc....but they neglect to properly quote the entire scripture in context and what the whole dialogue between Jesus and those Jews who heard that was. oh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Joh 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house forever: but the Son abideth ever. Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. Joh 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. Joh 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. So what we have is a sermon that doesn't make any requirements or exact any committments on the hearers. Jesus' teachings call us to discipleship. To a serious committment to God and a holy lifestyle, seperation from the world and testifying on His behalf what great things God has done in our lives (obedience).I'm seeing an increasing number of individuals who , Like Lot's daughters husbands have no real relationship with Jesus Christ, but thier "in the family " never the less. They never left Sodom :-( . I see alot of what I call half-baked christians, that's the result of the message these soft user friendly churches produce.