ZekeO,I think Al put it very well,Quote:“I would like to see an absence of the spirit of the world. The spirit of the world encourages activities for the sake of activities, song items during the services to add an element of entertainment rather than worship, meetings for the sake of networking and socializing and, what I would call "marketing" activities, because the church is viewed as a "business." ... a place where believers worship in Spirit and in truth. The sermons I hear in church are nothing like the ones I listen to on sermon index.”I am not sure how things are in South Africa, but in America, sadly to say, the spirit of the world has almost completely devoured the church. This is almost universal in the churches in America. I have found that there are pockets of whole-hearted servant of Christ throughout the land (many hear on sermon index) but they are few are far between and most are outside the institutionalized churches. I, like Al, also go to church, not to fellowship or be feed, but to witness to people. One of the most neglected harvest fields in the world today is the institutional average American corner church. I think it was Ravenhill who said something along the lines of (not an exact quote) “We are preaching an acceptable gospel today and all we are doing is giving people a shot to get them to hell quicker, or make them more comfortable as they travel the wide path to destruction ... I’m embarrassed and ashamed to be part of the church today” I agree with this, and can soundly say there are very few people in the churches today that are saved. They worship a “jesus” - mostly a fake plastic blow up “jesus” they have made up in there own minds - but salvation dose not come from worshipping a self-serving, sappy, watered down form of the Jesus written about in the New Testament, or in making a mental or intellectual assent to a doctrinal system of beliefs. It is sad to say but this is what the vast, vast, vast majority of the American church has degenerated into over the past 50 - 100 years. Sure there are some exception, but very, very few, and shrinking in number everyday.I’m not sure if this answers your question, as there is MUCH to say on the subject. Please let me know if there are any other questions you have, or if you wish to discuss this matter further. I love the church (bride) of Jesus Christ with all my heart and it is one of my favorite things to talk about and discuss.Oh yeah, I posted this article by Zac Poonen a week or so ago. It describes much of my feeling on the present state of the church very well. https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7588&forum=35&0