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groh_frog Oct 24, 2005

I just got done talking to a Catholic friend of mine who seems all but unreachable.He understands that fundamentally he's a sinner, but is convinced that because he was confirmed and baptized catholic, that he's going to heaven. I know that I can't force a person to come to know Christ, but are there any good keys or points that I can use that he might understand?I think that much of the problem is that even though we agree on thing like "faith in Christ", they mean something totally different to him. Where can I point out the falicy of the Catholic Church? Are there any good resources out there?Grace and Peace...

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letsgetbusy Oct 24, 2005

I heard this from John R Rice. If a person believes they are saved by going through the rites and ceremonies, tell them that if they bobble just once, they are doomed. But if Jesus did the saving, and Jesus bobbles, then they are done for. When the individual replies that Jesus doesn't bobble, ask them, 'Then wouldn't you prefer His kind of salvation?'

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Eli_Barnabas Oct 24, 2005

I think that much of the problem is that even though we agree on thing like "faith in Christ", they mean something totally different to him.This, I've concluded, is the problem and you said it perfectly. I found with the mormons, JW's, Catholics and whatever other 'Christian' variation, that they will agree with you in words but will be meaning something totally different. Their words are incredibly deceptive and suck in those who don't know any better. Just because a person says he/she believes in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ for salvation doesn't mean they mean the same as you! It's a tricky play on words the devil is using.In Christ,-Eli

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groh_frog Oct 25, 2005

Thinking and praying about this whole thing last night, I was wondering, why is the Catholic church so accepted among Christians?Normally, when a group teaches a false doctrine, it often becomes widely known as a cult, even if only discreetly at first. How is it that so many people just look at the Catholic church as 'just another denomination', and not as the false witness that it is? I guess I might have gotten a little piped up at this last night, and moreso this morning. How can one of the largest abominations to Christ be so accepted? Why isn't it spoken against more openly and more widely?I just don't understand, either, how something so obviously wrong is so easily accepted by so many. It's like a herd of cows walking over a cliff together. Maybe they're just comfortable like that. I just don't get it.Grace and Peace...

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Christisking Oct 25, 2005

I’m with you groh_frog - I don’t get it either. I heard someone say once “the reason Catholics don’t persecute Christians any more is because Christians finally decided to just keep their mouths shut.” I think this might be true. I’ve been praying if maybe the Lord wants me to pass out tracts, evangelism CD’s and witness in the lobbies and outside some catholic churches on Saturdays. I’m not sure if this is the way the Lord is leading me on Saturdays, but if it is, I’ll bet we find out the above statement is true. What do you think?

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groh_frog Oct 25, 2005

I think it would be awesome to see some old-fashioned open-air preachers standing right outside of the Cahtolic churches before mass. Of course, I know that I can be too confrontational at times, so I might not be the best one to ask.Ya know, I've actually thought about it, also. But where do you start? I think handing out tracts would be awesome, do you know of any good ones, or are you making your own?There's so much deception that it can be depressing. I really have thought about writing some scripture that discredits the catholic church and giving it to people. Maybe Martin Luther's original list of grievances with the church. I'll have to see if I can find it.Well, I do think it would be great, if nothing else, to try and save some. When you go hand out tracks, tell me how it goes. Or, tell me what works. I don't even know where to start.Grace and Peace...

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Christisking Oct 25, 2005

I may be a little too confrontational at times also, so I'm not sure I'm the guy for the job either. But if the Lord directs me I go. Here are some tracts I have found for Catholics. I have some of them but not all. Let me know what you think and which ones you feel are good.Catholic TruthsLast RitesAre Catholics Christians?Why Is Mary Crying?MurphThe Death CookieLet me know what you think of these and which ones your feel are better or worse or good or bad.

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PreachParsly Oct 25, 2005

Last weekend I ran into a few Catholics. While I was preaching one came to me and said, " Are you a Christian?!" I said, "yes." He then replied," Thats your problem! You are pushing your religion down my throat, I am a Catholic!" I thought that was interesting he knew from my preaching I was preaching a different (Biblical) gospel than what he belived. I also ran into another person the next day that said just about the same thing.It's interesting that some Catholics will boldly proclaim they are not Christians, but most Christians would not dare to say that Catholics are not Christians.

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groh_frog Oct 25, 2005

I like some of those handouts. Especially the first one, "catholic truths". I would be careful, though, about a couple of them. Like "The Death Cookie" and "Are Catholics Cristians". They spoke truth, but death cookie might be too offensive to just hand out to someone without talking to or getting to know them first. Are catholics christians seemed a little nit-picky towards words, and I dunno, if it were me, that might make me think it was just so: too picky. I've gotta admit, though. I'm not exactly the authority on this stuff. Infact, I'm pretty much a baby when it comes to open evangelism, and I know I'm just getting started.Those were awesome, though. I'm gonna send the first one to my cahtolic friend, and see what he has to say.Again, tell me how it goes. I'm deployed in Qatar right now, but when I get home, I want to try out handing those out. Grace and Peace...

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groh_frog Oct 28, 2005

I was talking again with my catholic friend. I sent him the link to the first site, and got no answer from him. Talking to him later on, I challenged him to think about eternity. Using Ray Comfort's "would you sell your eye" analogy, going into "how much more is your soul worth". He almost seemed emotionless about the whole thing- he just doesn't seem to care.Now, this is a friend of mine, married, with his first child on the way. How else can I challenge him? I'm just starting to work on my open outreach, handing out tracts, etc. and don't have a lot of experience. Any ideas? I would appreciate, or rather, he could use prayer in this, too.Thanks again for all the help you guys are giving me.Grace and Peace...

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groh_frog Nov 9, 2005

This past week I came in contact with another catholic that I work with. I hadn't known him to be catholic until the day before.Well, I started asking him what he thought about the contradictions between what Jesus said, or what the Bible teaches, and what the catholic church teaches. When I sepcifically referenced idolizing Mary, bowing to her, praying to her (hail mary), he just brushed it off, saying, "well, we don't really believe all that, it's just something we do."This seemed to be the model for the rest of our conversation. Even being able to show him a few more of the contradictions between what the Bible says, and what the catholic church teaches, he continued to just brush off the evidence. How can I challenge these people? How is it that they seem so far laid-back as to not care that they're serving a lie?I guess I'm easily frustrated in this. When Christ himself said things that should shut down that church, how do people just bypass it? Grace and Peace...

sermonindex Nov 9, 2005

There are many reasons it is difficult for a Catholic to give up Catholicism. My advice is to leave that bit to the Lord, because anyone who has come to know HIM, if directed by HIM to leave, will leave. Many of us do not immediately see what is wrong with the structure or doctrine of the organisation we have been brought up in, until we have grown in God, enough to begin criticising it for ourselves.I've been witnessing to two people of Catholic origin for a while now. One for more than five years, the other for nearly four. The first one does not know the Bible at all. He's a family man, who is utterly serious about God and pleasing him, as is his wife. They pray, their children pray, and they experience God in their lives and they minister to others ALL THE TIME. It is their life. We know we don't agree, but do you know why I bear with them and love them deeply? Because, when I was stuck, every single ('Christian') person who offered me on-going practical help was either Catholic or ex-Catholic. They have a culture of DOING for God, which is exemplary and tipped the balance in my life more than a little, between making it and not making it. This is not to say that some non-Catholics did not help for short spells, but something in the Catholic culture conveys an appreciation of the daily grind of living.The second man, has responded to the challenge to develop a relationship with God which enables him to pray meaningfully, and seek victory over sin. The Lord has not let him down. Also, he is listening to the Bible on mp3 from time to time and reading it. He has very good questions, too, which keep me on my biblical toes. Lastly, I pray for, and with, any of them. I think it is vital to develop a caring relationship which is entirely practical. By practical, I mean, if I would pray about a thing for myself, then I offer or suggest the same to them. This moves theology out of theory and into the reality in which God Himself thrives - true relationship.

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groh_frog Nov 10, 2005

Dorcas, in many ways I'm not sure what to say about what you wrote.I write looking for help on how to witness to Catholics simply because I believe with all my heart that they do not know God. Their church teaches a doctrine of works, infested with idols, false mediators, and lies.

dorcas wrote:I've been witnessing to two people of Catholic origin for a while now. One for more than five years, the other for nearly four....He's a family man, who is utterly serious about God and pleasing him, as is his wife. They pray, their children pray, and they experience God in their lives and they minister to others ALL THE TIME. edit: below isn't part of the quote, but I don't know how to make it normal again.I find it amazing that even though they put their faith in a lie, an abomination of our Savior and our God, and yet still experience him? I can't see how this is true.It seems, also, that you have the luxury of years to befriend and witness to them. I ask, are you challenging them, or meerly befriending them? I suppose this comes from a matter of doctrine. I believe with all of my heart that the catholic church is leading millions into Hell by deceiving them into works and false doctrines. I consider them in no way servants of Christ, because they know or recognize him any more than Mary, or as anything more than an idol.But to accept that these are just minor disagreements is abhorrent to me. They are dead men walking, and I'm powerless to help them.Now, to get back to the point of asking about ways to witness: I used to attend a church that believed in Predestination only. To many of the members, this seemed to mean that "if a person is predestined to Christ, they will walk through the church doors and be saved." This became an excuse to become useless to God. I'm convinced of it. But we have the opportunity to reach out to those who are drowning. To show them that their condemnation is deserved, and lead them to the Grace of Christ, and their repentance from their sin.So, I ask again, who has had success in showing Catholics the folly of their ways? What scripture, doctrine, or anything did you use? I'm looking to learn ammo for showing those around me who are being deceived.Understand, also, that I don't mean to attack you, dorcas, but to not do anything? To accept the Catholic doctrine as acceptable? Never!I'm sure somebody will write also about the power of the Holy Spirit to show them the truth. And believe me, I know myself to be powerless to change them. I depend on God alone for this. But we must also be prepared in season and out to give an answer.Grace and Peace...

sermonindex Nov 11, 2005

Hi groh_frog,First thing, to limit the quote you need to look for the square bracket/EDIT forward EDIT end.slash/quote/end square brackt, and move it to the end of the quotation. You can start writing immediately after the last ']' and your new writing will still appear with a space after the quotation, on a new line, reading from the left hand margin.And believe me, I know myself to be powerless to change them. I depend on God alone for this. But we must also be prepared in season and out to give an answer.Let me clarify something for you from what I wrote. The main thing for you to take on board, is that my resources have been limited in terms of opportunity, so, I have been as practical and evangelical as I can with the opportunity available to me, particularly with the second person. In fact, both of these people have enough of their own problems, for me to have told them they can call me any time of day or night, if they need to talk - and one of them does. On one occasion, he had been awake all night because he was so excited about something the Lord had shown him and he wanted to find out if the Lord had ever shown me the same truth from the same verse of scripture. This man had never read the Bible two years ago and I see GOD's hand in the changes he's made to his life and the fact he can ask for prayer or pray for himself and is battling to understand God's ways. But, he still 'thinks' he is a Catholic, despite studying Luther's declarations and despite understanding that the first 'prostestants' were all ex-Catholics. Your mention of the Holy Spirit is entirely appropriate, because I believe it is He who is doing the work in this heart.The other person is much more soaked in Catholic teaching, but, if I listen to him, understanding that he is seeking GOD, then I can hear the little wooings of the Holy Spirit, which are drawing him closer to the Father, and, I can respect the substance of what God shows him, when it matches up with biblical truth, and not criticise, condemn or undermine what he knows simply on the basis of the things he doesn't yet know.BECAUSE I was confined to these longterm individual relationships, I had much more to lose by making my faith a taboo topic, than someone who may be more keen (as you sound) to flag up the dangers of dead Catholic ritual. Also, it depends (I think) on local Catholic practice (and there are many variations within the UK and Ireland, alone) what seems to be the most important thing to raise with them. You know, trust is a very important ingredient in any relationship, and I determined to develop an openness which would make me available to present God's solutions to life situations, rather than religious ones - that is, rather than any sort of religious solutions. All I want is for those guys to know enough about God, to be able to lay hold on Him for what they need, when they need it. After that, God will take them on into a deeper walk with Himself.I guess you find this very unsatisfactory but, what I lose by way of quantity, I make up for by way of time committed to being practical with the other needs (which I have not shared here). It has been my privilege to expound scripture many, many times, within this context, and to convey an understanding of God's heart to deliver, heal and save, rather than to attack the external security which any sort of Catholicism is believed by its adherents, to bestow. I ask myself - will God say He knows them? Will God say He knows me? Are any of us doing the Father's will? These are the points on which they and I will be judged.

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groh_frog Nov 13, 2005

Yeah, you're right, Dorcas. I have to catch myself in my immaturity with these things often, and at times I need to be rebuked. That's something that can be so easily forgotten, that there's more than one way to reach a person. Some build relationships, some are street-preachers. Some are there only to plant seeds, and others only to harvest.Well, I'll keep working with these guys. I have another two months, and then it'll be just emails with them. Father, guide my words and actions, I wouldn't even try to do this by my own means.Grace and Peace...

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