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nobothhand Dec 2, 2005

Am I, the individual, saved because…(1) of my faith in God. (MAN)(2) of God’s grace.(GOD)(3) of (1) + (2). (GOD AND MAN)..................................................Pick one of the above three, and provide a reason for your choice. It would be wonderful if the root of your opinion in the Word is displayed, as to avoid presupposition. Jesus is Lord -nobothhand-

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PreachParsly Dec 2, 2005

Wow.. I was just pondering the question and wanted to get a thread started on this topic myself.What is salvation? What is the end or purpose of it?What are we 'saved' from? And to go with your original post how are we saved? I'm sure there are some more threads on this somewhere. If someone knows any please direct me that way.

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groh_frog Dec 3, 2005

A good sermon to listen to on this subject is "Ten Shekels and a Shirt" by Paris Reidhead. Also, Ray Comfort talks about it in "True and False Conversion". Grace and Peace...

sermonindex Dec 3, 2005

When I started writing this post, I was going to self-effacingly quote Oswald Chambers and leave it at that, and then I remembered, one by one, these three verses which were instrumental in first giving me hope, and then (Heb 10:14) giving me a spiritual basis for believing I had been saved.... that it was just the outworking which needed to catch up. Since joining SI, through the prayers of many, I know that a really substantial work has been done in me, which I am now proving, in my daily experience. Thank you all. Now, may we all look to the Lord's work.Hebrews 10:14 (KJV)For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. This verse, preceded by this verse Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.preceded byHebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. These, over a period of years, carried me through.Here is Oswald Chambers (My Utmost for His Highest, 28th October). JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life." Romans 5:10I am not saved by believing; I realize I am saved by believing. It is not repentance that saves me, repentance is the sign that I realize what God has done in Christ Jesus. The danger is to put the emphasis on the effect instead of on the cause. It is my obedience that puts me right with God, my consecration. Never! I am put right with God because prior to all, Christ died. When I turn to God and by belief accept what God reveals I can accept, instantly the stupendous Atonement of Jesus Christ rushes me into a right relationship with God; and by the supernatural miracle of God's grace I stand justified, not because I am sorry for my sin, not because I have repented, but because of what Jesus has done. The Spirit of God brings it with a breaking, all-over light, and I know, though I do not know how, that I am saved. The salvation of God does not stand on human logic, it stands on the sacrificial Death of Jesus. We can be born again because of the Atonement of Our Lord. Sinful men and women can be changed into new creatures, not by their repentance or their belief, but by the marvellous work of God in Christ Jesus which is prior to all experience. The impregnable safety of justification and sanctification is God Himself. We have not to work out these things ourselves; they have been worked out by the Atonement. The supernatural becomes natural by the miracle of God; there is the realization of what Jesus Christ has already done - "It is finished."

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dohzman Dec 3, 2005

What a trap for debate 8-)

sermonindex Dec 3, 2005

What a trap for debate 8-) Bro Daryl,I laughed enough not to be disappointed by the brevity of your contribution....... :-P

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nobothhand Dec 4, 2005

Predestinated... (Cough)Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,(Ephesians 1:5) In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:(Ephesians 1:11) Predestination. Why not?:-) :-D 8-)

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InTheLight Dec 4, 2005

(1) of my faith in God. (MAN)The danger is to put the emphasis on the effect instead of on the cause.I'm going to avoid the whole calvanism/armenian thing, to me the two positions are just two facets of the incredible diamond we call God.And just to reaffirm what Mr. Chambers states so nicely, faith is not the cause, it is the conduit.In Christ,Ron

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Warrior4Jah Dec 5, 2005

The pharisees definitely believed to be saved by: (1) of my faith in God. (MAN)Luk 18:7-14

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