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GaryE Dec 7, 2005

Recently, a person ask me what the difference was between soul and spirit. I've always been under the impression that soul is who we are as an individual or that that makes us different from one another.The definition of spirit seems to be a little more tricky in that there is obviously a good spirit and there are bad spirits. When I looked up the word spirit I got the definition life. When it comes to the Holy Spirit life makes sense, but life doesn't make any sense when describing an evil spirit.It seems to me that spirit is a drive or motive. The spirit that quickens a person, whether to do good or whether to do evil.Does anyone have anything to add to this opinion and is there a better definition? I would like to listen and learn.In Christ,GaryE

sermonindex Dec 7, 2005

The Distinction between Soul and Spirit From Fausset's CommentaryNote on Hebrews 4:12. "EVEN TO THE DIVIDING ASUNDER OF SOUL AND SPIRIT "-i.e., reaching througheven to the separation of the animal soul (lower part of man's incorporeal nature, the seat of animal desires, which he has in common with the brutes; c.f. the same Greek, I Corinthians 2:14, ` the natural [animal-souled] man', Jude 19) from the spirit (the higher part of man, receptive of the Spirit of God, and allying him to heavenly beings). " AND OF THE JOINTS AND MARROW "-rather (reaching even to) " both the joints (so as to divide them) and marrow ".Christ " knows what is in man " (John 2:25): so His Word reaches as far as to the most intimate and accurate knowledge of man's most hidden parts, feelings, and thoughts, dividing, i.e., distinguishing what is spiritual from what is carnal and animal in him, the spirit from the soul: so Proverbs 20:27As the knife of the Levitical priest reached to dividing parts, closely united as the joints of the limbs, and penetrated to the innermost parts, as the marrows (the Greek is plural), so the word of God divides the closely joined parts of man's immaterial being, soul and spirit, and penetrates to the innermost parts of the spirit.The clause (reaching even to) " both the joints and marrow " is subordinate to the clause " even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit ".... An image (appropriate in addressing Jews) from the literal dividing of joints, and penetrating to, so as to open out, the marrow, by the priest's knife, illustrating the previously mentioned spiritual " dividing of soul and spirit ", whereby each (soul as well as spirit) is laid bare and " naked " before God; this view accords with v.13.Evidently " the dividing of the soul from the spirit " answers to the " joints " which the sword, when it reaches unto, divides asunder, as the " spirit " answers to the innermost " marrow ". " Moses forms the soul, Christ the spirit. The soul draws with it the body; the spirit draws with it both soul and body." . . . The Word's dividing and far-penetrating power has both a punitive and a healing effect." DISCERNER OF THE THOUGHTS "-Greek, " capable of judging the purposes ", " INTENTS "-rather, conceptions "[Crellius] ; " ideas " [Alford]. As the Greek for " thoughts " refers to the mind and feelings, so that for " intents ", or rather, " mental conceptions " refers to the intellect.NOTE ON JUDE 19. " Sensual " (lit. "animal-souled ") as opposed to the " spiritual ", or " having the Spirit ".It is translated " the natural man " in I Corinthians 2:14. In the three-fold division of man's being, body, soul and spirit, the due state in God's design is, that " the spirit ", which is the recipient of the Holy Spirit, uniting man to God, should be first, and should rule the soul, which stands intermediate between the body and spirit; but in the ... NATURAL man the spirit is sunk into subserviency to the animal-soul, which is earthly in its motives and aims. The " CARNAL " sink somewhat lower, for in these the flesh, the lowest element and corrupt side of man's bodily nature, reigns paramount." Not having the Spirit ": In the animal and natural man the " spirit ", his higher part, which ought to be the receiver of the Holy Spirit, is not so; and therefore, his spirit not being in its normal state, he is said not to have the spirit. (Cf. John 3: 5, 6.)Note on I THESSALONIANS 5:23. " Spirit, soul and body. .. entire." It refers to man in his normal integrity, as originally designed.... All three, spirit, soul and body, each in its due place constitute man " entire " The " spirit " links man with the higher intelligences of heaven, and is that highest part of man which is receptive of the quickening Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 15:47). In the " unspiritual " the spirit is so sunk under the lower animal soul ... that such are termed " animal " (English Version sensual, having merely the body of organized matter, and the soul the immaterial animating essence), having not the Spirit.Note on I CORINTHIANS 2:14 " Natural man ": lit. a man of animal soul. As contrasted with the spiritual man,he is governed by the animal soul, which overbears his spirit, which latter is without the Spirit of God (Jude 19). So the animal (A.V. natural) body, or body led by the lower animal nature (including both the mere human fallen reason and heart), is contrasted with the Spirit quickened body (see I Corinthians 15:44-46). The carnal man (the man led by the bodily appetites, and also by a self-exalting spirit, estranged from the divine life) is closely akin: so too the " earthly ". Devilish or demon-like, led by an evil spirit (James 3:15), is the awful character of such a one in its worst type... .NOTE ON I CORINTHIANS 2:15. " He that is spiritual," lit. " the spiritual (man) ". In v.14 it is " A (not the as in A.V.) natural man". The spiritual is the man distinguished above his fellow men as he in whom the Spirit rules. In the unregenerate, the spirit which ought to be the organ of the Holy Spirit (and which is so in the regenerate),* is overridden by the animal soul, and is in abeyance, so that such a one is never called " spiritual ".NOTE ON I CORINTHIANS 3:1. " And I ... " i.e., as the natural (animal) man cannot receive, so I also could not speak unto you the deep things of God, as I would to the spiritual; but I was compelled to speak to you as ...to "MEN OF FLESH. . . ."The former (lit. fleshly) implies men wholly of flesh, or natural. Carnal or "fleshly ", implies not that they were wholly natural or unregenerate, but that they had much of a carnal tendency, e.g., their divisions. Paul had to speak to them as he would to men wholly natural ... not withstanding their conversion.NOTE ON JAMES 3:15 " Sensual," lit. animal-like: the wisdom of the " natural " man ... DEVILISH in its origin ... and also in its character, which accords with its origin.Some " Soulish " Counterfeits of " Spiritual " realitiesEvery genuine spiritual phenomenon has its soulical counterpart, e.g., the love of truth, or love viewed as a spiritual phenomenon, differs essentially from the soulical counterfeit. Love, as consisting in sentiment and the strong stirrings of affection, is a mere fleshly principle. It shuns suffering, it courts worldly enjoyment and consideration, it exhibits itself in the strength of the domestic and social attachments, and in its most refined form, takes a deep interest in alleviating the miseries and promoting the comforts of the family of man. All this may exist with deep rooted hatred to the truth.Love as a Divine principle and spiritual phenomenon, is distinguished by properties exactly the opposite of all this. It is love to God and is the result of our knowing that God hath first loved us (I John 4:19).While soulical love pretends to cherish attachment to the Creator through the medium of the creature, spiritual love goes out to the creature through the medium of the Creator. Soulical love would, for the promotion of the apparent good of the creature, sacrifice at any time the truth of the Creator, whereas spiritual love rejoices to know that through the truth of the Creator the real good of the creature is secured and promoted.Spiritual love is emphatically love to the truth, and love to others for the truth's sake. Soulical love appearing to be spiritual, may be detected to be what it is by this test, that the truth of God is always in its estimation secondary, whereas the essential feature of spiritual love is its supreme and exclusive attachment to the truth of God.The soulical nature of love professed often betrays itself in a great anxiety to reconcile the Word of God with wellestablished human facts, and cogent human reasonings founded thereon, and this even at the expense of the Divine veracity being compromised and encroached on. The language of love which is Divine and spiritual, is " Let God be true, though every man should prove to be a liar ".

sermonindex Dec 7, 2005

This previous post is from this great book:SOUL AND SPIRIT By Jessie Penn-Lewishttp://www.worldinvisible.com/library/jessiepenn-lewis/soulspirit/soulspirit.c.htm

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-jay Dec 7, 2005

Thanks Greg,I was going to re-ply that your Soul is your way of thinking and Spirit is life and who you are inside -- innerman/innerwomen.Thanks for the article and link.

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Graftedbranc Dec 10, 2005

Fausset's CommentaryExcellent quote. Graftedbranch

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Graftedbranc Dec 10, 2005

The definition of "spirit' in Greek is pnema, "breath" or 'breath of Life.The resurrected Lord Jesus "breathed into them saying "recieve the Holy Spirit" (John 20:21)God breathed into Adam the breath of Life and man became a living soul.Christ breathed into them the "Breath of God, the Holy Spirit" and His diciples became children of God with His Life.Our human spirit is the product of "God's breath". Whereas the Holy Spirit is God's Breath. The Holy Pnuma.God is Spirit. Our spirit is that organ within us which is akin to God and has the capacity to know God, to commune with God and to recieve God as Life (the Holy Pnema).To try to know colors by smelling them or hearing them is impossible. We can only know colors by using our eyes to see them. To try to see a sound is impossible. We need to use our ears to know sounds.In the same way, to Know God we must use our spirit. It is the organ which is designed by God to be attuned and akin to Him. Our spirit is our inner most being. It is the deepest part of our being. It is where God dwells within us when we believe into Christ.The unbeliever has a spirit but it is dead. He lives by the life of his soul. His mind, his will, and his emotions and is governed by the flesh. The believer's human spirit has been quickened, resurrected and indwelt by the "Pnema of God" The Spirit of Christ.We should breath this Holy Breath all the time by calling on the Lord. We should drink of this "well of water within us springing up to Eternal Life" whenever we are parched and thirsty. We should contact the Lord in our spirit every day as we pray and feed on His Word (My words are spirit and life). 'The Spirit Himself witnesses with our spirit that we are children of God ' (Romans 8:16)."The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers, Amen" (Galatians 6:18).Graftedbranch

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PreachParsly Dec 12, 2005

I've been taught (if anyone has any other thoughts I would like to hear):Spirit- It is the God breathed part inside of you. When you are born again this is what comes alive. It is where the Spirit of God dwells inside you and bares witness with you.Soul- Your mind, will, and emotions.Body- Your physical being.When you are a sinner you try to please (usually) 1. your body 2. your soul (mind intellect ect.) and 3. your spirit which is dead to God.When you are born again a reversal takes place. Your spirit should be first (it is now alive to God), soul, and then body. Your spirit should be in control of your soul, which in turn is in control of your body. We should be full worshippers of God. We must worship God in spirit. Our soul must be filled with prayer and the Word and our body must be crucified i.e. a living sacrifice.

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PreachParsly Dec 12, 2005

Here is a book I enjoyed.Spirit, Soul, and Body By Lester Sumrall

sermonindex Dec 12, 2005

(if anyone has any other thoughts I would like to hear):Well, since I came to SI, having arrived thinking close to what you posted, I've changed my mind, mainly as a result of wrestling (yes, 'wrestling') with the issue of abortion (because I used to be a midwife and have seen both natural and induced kinds); and the answers which came from scripture when philologos expounded on 'soul' in the thread 'Questons of life and breath and Spirit' which I started. I'm not going to say everything I think, here, but summarise it to this:If the sin principle which Jesus died to destroy, resides in our flesh, and when God breathed into Adam He caused Adam not only to have a human spirit but also a soul, then the flesh has a lot more to do with both spirit and soul than I'd previously registered.If it is the death of the sin principle in us, (our flesh) which enables the Holy Spirit to come and dwell, He is dwelling in our flesh (our body). Of course He is - it's the temple of the Holy Spirit..... we know that.... :-) (1 Cor 6:19) It is in our flesh that we experience our life - yes, our SOUL life - our SOUL, which Jesus died to save, which in Psalm 23 we learn (even back then David could say) was being RESTORED. Now, under the influence of the Holy Spirit, the mind of the flesh (Eph 2:3'..in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath) (which I now do not think as previously, is my soul) is being renewed as well as my mind is being renewed, as I follow the leading of the Holy Spirit to live and walk in Him, and not fulfil the lust of the flesh, or, the lust of the mind of the flesh.The life which we lay down when we take up our cross, is our old man - the life the flesh used to live; we mortify that in our experience, by the enabling power of the Spirit, who works with our spirit and soul towards overcoming in all things, (through Jesus Christ who strengthens us). It is only from this perspective that I can make sense of the first great commandment - to love God with all my heart AND SOUL and mind and strength - that is, not just mental strength or my soul's hungering and thirsting, but physical strength, too - now made available by the life the Spirit which can QUICKEN my MORTAL BODY (Please forgive capitals. I'm not shouting----- honestly ;-) ) according to Romans 8:1111 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. (I've underlined mortal, because one can skim over this and assume it means something about a resurrection body..... but Paul is talking about life (not death) throughout the whole of this chapter.)

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PreachParsly Dec 12, 2005

You also have to remember that we are "total" person. The spirit, soul, and body are distict but are so close together they are seeminly intertwined. Ex. A tree has 3 parts: Bark, pulp, and sap. You need all 3 to make a tree or it will not function. They are distict but are combined together.

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GaryE Dec 12, 2005

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:For me to think of the spirit as that which hears from God fits very well with my understanding. I still think of desire and motive as being the difference between a good spirit and a bad spirit. When the hearing is what is coming from God is a good spirit and that which is heard from the flesh, mind, the enemy etc. being a bad spirit.Obviously, we should be careful as to what voice we hear. 1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.Quickening is definitely the beginnings of life. Once, I read and old book that told how any abortion that was done after quickening was considered murder. When I used the word quickening, I was really trying to speak about the beginnings of things and not the beginnings of life. In other words, a beginning to do evil is a bad spirit. Our motives and desires when we hear from God will begin a quickening for life in us to do that which is right, but when our spirit hears and receives motives and desires that are of the flesh, this would be the beginnings of our doing evil. I was wrong to use the word quickening to do evil, though motives and desires are the beginnings of evil if followed through.In Christ,GaryE

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beenblake Dec 12, 2005

God is spirit. (KJ says God is "a" Spirit where NAS says God is Spirit.) (John 4:24)Man is flesh. (No where in the bible does it say Man is a flesh.) (Genesis 6:3)Man has a spirit. (Job 32:8)An angel is a spirit. (Acts 23:9)Man is a living soul. (Genesis 2:7)Animals are living souls. (Genesis 9:10 *note: the word "creature" is the hebrew word for soul).Man has a body of flesh, but man is a soul. (The body of a man...Num 19:11) (In the body of his flesh...Colossians 1:22) (Matthew 10:28)Right now, we have a body of flesh, but in Heaven we will have a body of spirit. (1 Corinthians 15:44) We won't just have a spirit, we will be a spirit. Matthew 10:28 (KJ)And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.John 3:6 (KJ)That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJ)It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.In love,Blake

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Graftedbranc Dec 15, 2005

Zechariah says: God streached forth the heavens and laid the foundation of the earth and formed the spirit of man within him.Our human spirit in this context is laid out to be in consequence and import comparable to the heavens and the earth.Our human spirit is the thing which separates us from the lower forms of life. Animals have a soul. they have a mind, a will, and they have emotions. They think, they dream, they love, they fear, they anticipate, they are living, beings with all the faculties of soul.But man is distinguished not only by 'superiour soulical powers, but by his spirit which is akin to God and designed by God to be His dwelling place in man.All the animals were created "after their kind". Only man was created in the image and likeness of God to be "after God's Kind.Only man has a spirit as well as a soul and a body.Man was created in the image of God as a glove is created in the image and likeness of a hand. We are created to be vessels of God. Our spirit is a vessel to recieve God and contain God and our soul is a vessel to express God in our humanity.We are designed to contain God and express His attributes in our human virtues.Graftedbranch

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Christinyou Dec 15, 2005

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.This is the soul part, Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.Man at this time had not chosen a spirit because of who he believes in.Adam believed Eve and Eve believed Satan, even though it was a lie. In choosing to believe any one besides God, he became the spirit of that belief. Pro 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee. If we have a spirit it is of spirit, that is why Adam now had the spirit of Satan, because he believed the lie. Now if we believe God about what He says about His Son, He then gives us the Spirit of His Son because we believe. This is new birth, and the believer now has the Spirit of Christ. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. Satan was a created being wanting to be God, Adam was a created being wanted to be as God.The two became one when Adam chose the lie. Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.The soul is what died in Adam, Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.New birth, being Born Again is the believing God and not the Lie. Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Believe Satan and his lie, there is no God or you can be your own God and die in sin. Believe God about His Son and have new birth with the Spirit of Christ in you the Hope of Glory, and live.Both are the spirit of a man, of the sinner's believing the lie, the spirit of Satan and death.Or the son's of God believing God, the Spirit of Christ in you unto life and wisdom and righteousness, sanctification and redemption. Then: Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. In Christ: Phillip

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beenblake Dec 16, 2005

Ecclesiastes 3:19For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity.

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beenblake Dec 16, 2005

1 Sa 2:35   'But I will raise up for Myself a faithful priest who will do according to what is in My heart and in My soul; and I will build him an enduring house, and he will walk before My anointed always.Job 23:13"But He is unique and who can turn Him? And what His soul desires, that He does .Isaiah 42:1"Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.Jeremiah 32:41"I will rejoice over them to do them good and will faithfully plant them in this land with all My heart and with all My soul.What is the difference between the soul of God and the spirit of God? Wondering....Blake

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Christinyou Dec 17, 2005

The Scriptures indicate that the body, soul and spirit are separate entities. The body is entirely composed of this world. The soul is spiritual, but greatly influenced and can be dominated by this world. The Spirit is of God only. The following Scripture applies.And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. I Thessalonians. 5:23.God does not need to have His Soul and Spirit separated because He is not earthly but heavenly. We need to have this separation because before regeneration (salvation), we are of our father the devil, because we believed the lie with Adam in the Garden. Sin then abounded to all mankind. The spirit of Satan is what rules our life before we are Born Again of the Incorruptable Seed of Christ that the Father gives Incorruptable Seed of Christ and His Spirit is now our Spirit and it will transform our minds to the Mind of Christ and then our mind can rule over our bodies. 1. Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.2. Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 3. Because man believed Satan our spirit became the spirit of whom we believe. The spirit of Satan is what ruled our lives, our soul-mind and our bodies of flesh. Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.4. When we believe in Christ, the exchange is made by God the Father and the Seed of Jesus Christ is birthed in us, thus born again. We then have the Spirit of Christ in us and now His mind is renewing our mind to the Mind of Christ, by Our Teacher the Holy Spirit.Romans 12:1-2 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.5. That is why the Word (Christ) has to separate the spirit, soul and body. God is the only one who can separate soul and spirit.Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.Christ now is not separated in Soul, Spirit or Body, He is one with the Father, and we on resurrection morning will be the same. For the first time in our existence we will be complete. We know not what we will be but we know we will be like Him.In Christ: Phillip

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Graftedbranc Jan 4, 2006

What is the difference between the soul of God and the spirit of God? Soul technically speaking referes to "mind, will, and emotions. Spirit referes to the Essense. The Spirit of God is God's essense.For instance Paul says in 1 Cor. "whoso knows the thoughts of a man save the spirit of the man which is in him, even so, the thoughts of God no one knows but the Spirit who is from God. For the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God that we might know the things freely given to us..."God has thoughts, God has his feeling, God has His will. And these are communicated to us by His Spirit who indwells our regenerated human spirit.God is united to us by His Spirit in our regenerated human spirit as Paul says in 1 Cor. 6:17 He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.God is Triune, Man is Tripartite. Man's spirit is not God's Spirit but are akin in nature. (Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself witness with our spirit...) Man's spirit is his essense and the innermost part of his being which was deadened by the fall but made alive in Christ.Man's spirit is the place of the "Divine Indwelling". God regenerates us and indwells us in our spirit. He joines Himself and mingles Himself with our spirit to make us "one spirit" though they remain distinct yet together they are one spirit like tea in water makes one drink which we call a cup of tea.This is why when we come to the Bible we need more than just the exercise of our mind, our will, and our emotions, we need to exercise our spirit by calling on the Lord and praying to Him to fellowship with Him in His Word in order that we might recieve not just some knowlege of doctrines but we might be infused with Life and be strengthend to apprehend "with all the saints", and to have the eyes of our heart enlightened.Through the Word, the Spirit who is in our spirit will then spread and impart into us the mind of God, the feeling of God and the will of God. By this means we are renewed, and transformed into His image.Graftedbranch

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beenblake Jan 4, 2006

Ezekiel 36:27 (NASB)"Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances."Do we have a Spirit that is in union with God's Spirit, much like a husband and wife become one flesh? Or did God put His Spirit into us, meaning that our Spirit is God's Spirit? Wondering....Blake

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GaryE Jan 4, 2006

Dear Blake,I think of this verse as speaking to us in the New Covenant though it was obviously spoke to the Jews during the Old Covenant. Now until we come to God through Jesus we are absent of this Spirit and God says he will put his Spirit in us. I would like to hear what others speak about your questions.I accept the understanding that is in the post previous to yours. One thing that I hadn't considered till a few minutes ago is that the word spirit can be a noun or a verb. With that thought, for one to have spirit is an action word and is a verb. To be quickened is a verb. It does sound right to me that the word spirit in body, soul, and spirit is a noun. With the word Spirit being put in us I see the word being a noun also. With the word Spirit being in us I also think of being quickened and having action within our lives to do God's desires through us and this being a verb. With that word Spirit being in us I think of us having his desire and doing his will and the word spirit being a verb also.In Christ,GaryE

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