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A SINLESS LIFE - Is It POSSIBLE?

sermonindex Dec 8, 2005

"A SINLESS LIFE - Is It POSSIBLE?"-by Andrew Strom.Let me be very clear in opening this topic: We are talking aboutthe "inner man" here. And this is the secret to the 'sinless' life.Paul wrote about it in Romans - John too in 1 Jn 3. Much ofWesley's powerful preaching revolved around this one issue. AndFinney wrote about it this way: "I could not feel a sense of guilt orcondemnation by any effort I could make. My sense of guilt was gone, my sins were gone, and I do not think I felt any more sense of guilt than if I never had sinned... I felt myself justified by faith, and, so far as I could see, I was in a state in which I did not sin."Wow! Shock! Are we saying that it is possible to live in a state in which there is no consciousness of "present sin" at all? Am I saying that this is actually "normal" Christianity? -Yes, that isexactly what I am saying."Normal" Christianity is this: Walking before God with a totallyclean conscience and a pure heart - as our 'normal' state beforeHim. -Utterly clean. No STRIVING or "TRYING to be good". Thisis clearly what the New Testament describes as normal. -Literally walking before God with "no consciousness of present sin". Notice that Finney (above) refers to this as a state of "justification by faith". And he is absolutely right. That is exactly what it is. It is as basic as that. -Elemental Christianity. The saddest thing of all is that we never hear it preached today.It is almost as though such a thing is too "lofty" - out of reachof the average church-goer. Or perhaps the preachers themselvesdo not believe it is possible to live in such a state. They do not experience it themselves, and therefore they do not preach it. How awful beyond words! How we are robbing people blind with the neglect of these basic truths! No wonder so few are getting truly saved. I tell you, this is the basic Gospel we are talking about here. It isnothing less. Today we somehow think that we preach the 'gospel'simply by relating the facts of Jesus dying for our sins, rising againand offering salvation freely. -Yes, these things are important. But what about becoming a "new creature" and walking in it? What about the fact that Jesus came to 'TAKE AWAY' our sins? Whatabout a 'new birth' that utterly transforms us from the inside out?-That actually MAKES us clean and KEEPS us clean? Where is this basic stuff in our preaching? Where do we actually describewhat happens inside a "truly saved" person?We have so reduced the gospel today to make it more "convenient"that it is no gospel at all. And thus we have entire church-loadsof people who are completely unsaved. They go down the front and pray the "little prayer", then they spend the rest of their livespaying their tithes and "trying to be good". -This is what a lot ofour Christianity amounts to. And it is all garbage. It is no "newbirth" at all. Wesley would be rolling in his grave to see what wepreach as the 'new birth' today.Such was Wesley's preaching of the 'sinless life' in his day (and Finney too) that both of them were accused of "perfectionism".But I think that what a lot of people misunderstand is that it is the 'INNER LIFE' that we are talking about here. -Yes, we are stillattached to a "fallen" body - which sometimes stumbles - much as we hate it. Paul says, "Oh wretched man that I am, who will deliver me from the BODY of this death?" (Rom 7:24). But in the very next breath he answers: "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord..."So it is not the 'outer' life, but the INNER one that we are speaking of here. (-Though the 'outer' will be affected, of course. We must walk in "NO KNOWN SIN"). It is Jesus who gives us robes of righteousness to WALK IN - in the "Inner Man". That is what Romans chapters 5 - 8 are all about. That is what 'justification by faith' is all about: WALKING in a "sinless life" inside. Pure white robes - given to us by God - for us to walk in and keep "unspotted".That is true Christianity: To walk before God with a totally cleanconscience and a pure heart before Him. -No known sin. Anything less is no Christianity at all. It simply cannot be found in the New Testament. You are either a "new creation" and WALKING as a 'new creation' - or you are not. There is no room for a "half-way" house.Today, we are no longer bringing people into this state with our preaching. And therefore I say to you - "WE HAVE LOST THE GOSPEL". And when we lose the gospel, we lose Christianity itself.Wesley spent much of his life preaching on this stuff. (Go andread his sermon "Marks of the New Birth" for instance. -One of the most convicting messages of all time). Little wonder thatsometimes when he preached, thousands of people would be lefton the ground under agonizing conviction. Little wonder too thatafter Finney preached, sometimes church-goers were in suchshock that they could not speak or stand for days - they were sostricken. These were people who thought they were 'saved' but Finney had shown them that they were not - in the most direct and piercing way.We say we want "apostolic preaching" and true "Revival" preachers.I don't think we realize what we are asking for. -Such searching,direct, bold and convicting preaching as we have never heard in our lives.In August 2003 God woke me up at 4:00am one morning with asudden insight into Finney's preaching - how he would expose "false assurance". God showed me that I had to start preaching that waytoo. From then on, every time I preached this message I began to notice a big increase in anointing and conviction. I have seen wholecongregations of up to 1000 people stand as one when the altar call was given, and people coming forward weeping and confessingsin. And I have noticed a similar impact when I preach on "A Sinless Life" (-ie. Walking before God with a pure heart and conscience as our NORMAL STATE). But I'm convinced that there is a greater anointing yet unseen, waiting for us all in future days.So are YOU walking in a 'sinless life' today, my friends?God bless you all.Kindest regards in Christ,Andrew Strom.

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PaulWiglaf Dec 8, 2005

Thank you, Brother. This is the stuff that makes my heart sing! Hallelujah, for God is (as the Seraphim say,) "Holy, Holy, Holy"!!! May God continue to awaken our hearts to living purely for Him (my youth pastor has informed me that the college [Lee University: Cleveland, TN] he attends has started a new Holiness course; wish there was one at my school).Man, I don't know, but when we allow God's Spirit to pour down in His true form--a consuming fire--He'll continue to refine us as gold and purify us as silver...oh, that's something to pray for!God bless you, Brother, as you keep seeking to preach the full gospel of our Risen King Jesus. Amen.In the Lamb,Benjamin

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deutsixv23 Dec 9, 2005

Holiness is not preached because as the saying goes: It takes a crucified preacher to preach a crucified Savior. As Christians, we are willing to travel hundreds, if not thousands of miles to hear a preacher who challenges us to live a holy life. Alas, preachers willing to expound the truths about holiness are few and far between. Fortunately, we have the Holy Spirit to guide us in all truth. The sermons on SI are also a great source of encouragement. Tozer quotes someone who prayed: Lord make me as holy as a saved sinner ever can be. Tozer himself had this deep desire to walk in holiness of life. His ministry reflected that inner holiness.

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habakkuk3 Dec 9, 2005

My pastor recounted the end of Wesley's life when Wesley was on his death bed and he was asked if it was possible to lead a sinless life. With a glimmer in his eyes, he said something like (can't recall the exact quote) "yes, it is but I'm not there yet" and tears begin to stream down his face.I love Tozer's quote. Will have to pray over that one. May the Lord God of heaven raise up some true Holy Ghost holiness preachers who are sold out for Jesus in these the last days...

sermonindex Dec 9, 2005

NOTE: Below is a very good reply that I got from a reader about the "SINLESS LIFE" article. But first some reflections of my own...1) "MY EXPERIENCE of a CLEAN HEART" -by Andrew Strom.I have been walking with God now for 22 years. I was filled withthe Holy Spirit when I was 17 - and that was really the turning point. It was an overnight transformation in my life. And after I read a few 'Revival' books, that was all I cared about. -The gloryof God coming down and transforming people. I was hungry for God to move.Something happened to me when I was converted that I alwaysassumed was "normal" - and still believe it should be. God gave me a true 'fear of the Lord' from the start, and a deep repentance where I literally went right through my life and repented of everything I could find that was not godly. So I was "clean" and newly filled with the Spirit - filled with His love and power. And I found that I could literally WALK in this 'clean' state before God - without any"effort" or striving whatsoever. I just figured this was normal. Itbecame my 'natural' state - walking with a clean conscience andclean heart before God. Did I have to "strive" to maintain this constant "clean heart" state? No, not at all. I simply avoided sin and kept walking in this innerpurity that God had given me. No effort at all, really. It just seemed "natural". The Scripture, "There is no condemnation to them in Christ Jesus" was very real to me. I could sense that indeed I walked under a new "law" - the 'Law of the Spirit of LIFE in Christ Jesus'which had made me free from the law of sin and death.Whenever I discovered any 'darkness' in me that I had not seenbefore, I instantly would repent of it because God had given me a deep hatred of sin. This is one of the keys to this kind of walk. I could not stand for anything to come in between me and God. I simply walked before Him in this permanent state of communion and fellowship. If I inadvertently "tripped up" in such a way that I noticed a kind of "spot" on my white robe, so to speak, I was very quick to deal with it because I hated sin and loved walking in totaltransparency before God. -But it was not common for me to have to do that. Sometimes weeks would go by without me having to seriously "repent" of anything. 'Clean' had become my natural state -a wonderful gift from God. This is not to say that temptation never came along. Of course itdid. I just had to choose not to entertain it. I hated sin and loved God too much to indulge it. But did this mean that I was outwardly"perfect"? No! -Just that I was inwardly walking with Him in righteousness and "purifying myself as He is pure". And so the years went by...I read the book, "The Normal Christian Life" by Watchman Nee,and along with some other Revival books, etc, - this helped me to understand better the state I was in - and to assume it was "normal". But I would often come across other Christians whoseemed surprised when I would share a little about what I wasexperiencing. Many did not seem to live in any genuine "victory"over sin - and seemed to be always 'repenting' with little realresult. They told me I needed to keep "short accounts with God"which seemed to mean that I had to repent every half-hour or so.What kind of "victory" this was, I could not discern.Didn't Jesus die so that we could walk with God as ADAMdid before the fall - communing with Him in the "cool of theevening"? Isn't that the whole point? -To give us a clean heartand restore us to full communion with God - as an actual STATEOF BEING? Isn't it just that simple?Another thing God taught me later on was to "RENOUNCE" thingsthat were serious temptations in my life. This did not affect my"righteousness of heart" before God one way or the other, butit did affect my mind - and the clarity of it. I was no longerbombarded with temptations anywhere near as much after'RENOUNCING' those strongholds out of my life.I have now been walking with God in this "clean-heart" way for 22 years. It does not seem to be an "effort" or anything 'hard'. I have been made a 'new creature' and I simply walk in it as a "natural" state. My heart and my conscience are continually clean before God - washed in the blood of the lamb. So what are the pre-requisites for this kind of walk? -Simply to havea true "fear of the Lord", to have experienced "thorough repentance"and also to have been baptized and Spirit-filled, I believe. -Simplestuff, really. For most of us the door is wide open to walking in this. Can you trust God for it, my friends? Will you enter in?-God bless you all. -Andrew Strom. -------------------------------------------------2) A Reader, Lyall Scheib, writes:The Bible is very clear about it's expectations of sinlessness in 1John 3:6- "Whoever abides in Him does not sin" and verse 8, "He who sins is of the devil," and then verse 9, "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin because he has been born of God."That verse says the one born of God cannot sin! Most Christians I know say the opposite, they cannot NOT sin. I am amazed at Bible believing, Spirit filled, tongues speaking, signs and wonders embracing Christians who believe God can raise the dead and heal cancers, calm storms, etc, but they don't believe that one little phrase - "he cannot sin...." Seems to me if we don't believe it we won't get it, just like healings and miracles. It is time we started believing every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.John actually wrote his epistle with that purpose in mind. 1 Jn 2:1- "...these things I write to you so that you may not sin." Of course there is the possibility that we might sin because we are still human so the next phrase begins with an "if" like it's a rarity. "And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous." I actually believe the blood of Jesus is not for continually practised sin but only for repented-of and departed-from sin. Look at Hebrews 10:26. "For if we sin wilfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins but a certain frearful expectation of judgement..."While I am on the subject I have to mention Romans 6: such phrases as, "sin shall not have dominion over you," and "that we should no longer be slaves to sin," or, "how shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?" and, "having been set free from sin." These verses all say the same thing: it's an odd thing for a Christian to continue to sin. The key to how we might be able to live that way is in verses 11 to 13. Briefly: 1. Reckon yourself to be dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 2. Do not let sin reign in your mortal body, and 3. do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin but 4. present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.Blessings on the Righteous in Christ Jesus,~Lyall Scheib.

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RobertW Dec 9, 2005

This is an interesting topic indeed. I think it would be a good one to explore because so many have their own versions of what it means to be 'sinless'. It would be a wonderful study to look into the biblical concept of 'sinless' so as not to find ourselves in some sort of Humpty Dumpty-'ism'. What are the variables? What if my conscience is seared and I am sinning in an area and have mastered the art of resisting conviction from the Holy Spirit in that area? Another topic we should look at is what does the passage "whatsoever is not of faith, is sin" mean? Is it sin to transgress my conscience? Am I supposed to be in a state that I could transgress my conscience with impunity? Can I sin and just not be conscious of it? Etc.? What are the standards of holiness in this model? Whats the difference between holiness and discipline? Those topics are often mingled as if they were one and the same. What about relationships? Can I be in a sinless state and not be in harmony with my parents or other Christian brothers and sisters? Can I be sinless and in some ways reflect an unchristlike spirit? Lots and lots of things to sort through. :-D

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RobertW Dec 9, 2005

Sometimes weeks would go by without me having to seriously "repent" of anything. 'Clean' had become my natural state -a wonderful gift from God. Here is an example of what I mean about our definitions of being clean and sinless. When I hear 'clean' and 'sinless' I am hearing an Oberlin, Victorian age, early 1930's Missouri bread hair trigger perfectionism that keeps ones salvation on the line at every moment. I am hearing a perfecting that would make Finney rejoice. This means a person does not watch TV, listen to secular music, drink Coffee ever (much less alcohol), smoke, chew or date girls who do (as the cliche' goes here in Missouri). They do not lust with their eyes ever and do not covet anything whatsoever that is not edifying. Their mind is on God 24/7 and thats all they care about. They don't use slang if they can avoid it and never cuss. They are totally non-combative and peacemaking. They don't have crossed words with folk and they never allow the sun to go down on their wrath. They have one coat in the closet and not two. All their clothes are modest and no women wear make-up. Men don't wear long hair and women don't braid theirs; and if they do- how could they possibly be saved? THIS is the type of step on the crack and your damned salvation I was raised under. My understanding of 'perfection' caused me much grief in my early days on this forum- drawing swords with folk unnecessarily. This is why I believe we need to establish what we mean when we talk about this because to me- a few weeks of victory is a backslidden state. I'm not trying to be hard here at all, but I am interested to hear others opinions of this. Victory to me is being able to go perpetually without falling back into any type of previous sin or new sin. So when I have said I don't think 'perfection' is attainable - this is the perfection I am referring to. God Bless,-Robert

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Onfire Dec 9, 2005

Good topic! Not only is it possible it is expected of us in order to obtain salvation. Sin literally means to be separated from God. Without exercising our faith in Him we are separated from Him. Cleanness was mentioned and that is so true. We confuse the process of sanctification as being still sinful. The fact of the Holy Spirit doing a number on us doesn't mean that we are sinful.

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philologos Dec 9, 2005

RobertW'sIt would be a wonderful study to look into the biblical concept of 'sinless' so as not to find ourselves in some sort of Humpty Dumpty-'ism'. It is interesting that the Bible never speaks of sinless-ness. It is also interesting that the only person specifically declared to be 'without sin' is Christ Himself.John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. Heb. 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Heb. 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Room for thought?

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jimbob Dec 9, 2005

Onfire wrote:Good topic! Not only is it possible it is expected of us in order to obtain salvation. Onfire,The above statement is the line of reasoning that seperates Reformed believers from Arminian believers.As a reformed type, I believe nothing is expected of us but faith in Christ, and that that faith is itself a gift from God.I can concure with the article by Andrew Strom, although I think he downplays his sin by saying he "inadvertently trips up".So I believe sanctification is a result of salvation, not something we do to obtain it.

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Onfire Dec 9, 2005

Jim Bob ~> By all means and thanks for addressing this. I too believe that faith is a gift from God and we have been given the choice to exercise that faith in Him. You're correct and I apologize for making it look like we have to work to our salvation. That stuff turns my stomach as I know of many in bondage to that kind of thinking. Christ sanctifying us is most certainly a result of being under His saving grace.

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RobertW Dec 9, 2005

I can concure with the article by Andrew Strom, although I think he downplays his sin by saying he "inadvertently trips up".I think what he is trying to say here is that he knows he is not perfect, while making a distinction between full on sin and stumbling. (I'll get my helmet)

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RobertW Dec 9, 2005

Hi Ron,Heb. 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.Can you break down this passage for us? More specifically, is the one 'without sin' in this passage Christ or 'them that look for Him'? Thanks!

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PreachParsly Dec 9, 2005

I thought the difference between a sinner and a saint is that a saint may "fall" into sin, while the sinner jumps headlong. The saint fights against it. He/she loves righteousness and hates sin. If you walked out the door of your home and fell into a hole you would 'fall.' If you walked out your door again and fell into the same hole, I think you need to question yourself and see what the problem is. If you walked out your door the 3rd time and fell into the same hole.. I think you would be a fool or you enjoy falling into holes. Watch where you are going!

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Onfire Dec 9, 2005

Peach ~> Can someone fall in and out of being separated from God?

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moreofHim Dec 9, 2005

I know we have discussed this topic before and I still have the same questions as before- similar to what Robert what saying. There are outward sins, which are usually the first to go, and then there are sins of the heart (hidden attitudes, etc...) that are sometimes not revealed to us accept as time goes on. Early in my close walk with the Lord, because i had gotten rid of alot of outward sins, I thought I could walk in sinless perfection- this lasted only a short while until the Lord knocked me off my high horse and showed me the condition of my heart- not once but many times and continues to do so. What of the sin of pride, anger, hidden bitter feelings which we may still have no known knowledge of. If we have any of these, this is not walking in sinless perfection. And not one of us is completely free from pride. It always rears it's ugly head and if we are teachable and wanting to come clean before the Lord we will ask for it to be exposed at every turn. Just when i think I've conquered some area that the Lord reveals to me that is not in accordance to His word, that He wants me to work on (and i consider these things sin, whether it be a critical attitude, doubt, whatever), just when I think I am 'somewhere' - I have achieved some sense of 'holiness'-- the Lord comes along side after a very short while and again holds His mirror up to my heart and exposes more sin. More pride. Another hidden idol. Another sinful attitude toward someone. Being too harsh with my children. It is a lifetime of stripping away.I don't say this to make any excuses for anyone or my own sin. I know many people may think that I would oppose this sinless perfection because I want to make excuses for my sin. The Lord knows my heart and how I long to be pure and clean before Him. How I continually ask Him to show me my heart so that i can be more like Him. As He contually shows me more things as my life goes on, I have to admit that I am in no way walking in sinless perfection. Though I strive to, though I am willing for the Lord to show me my heart at any time-- i must trust that He will show me what He wants me to learn, when He wants to. I trust that He will deal with me as He will. I cannot work it, I cannot do it. I can only be willing.As far as John Wesley is concerned, I still have many questions about his beliefs. I have read his biography and many things about his life and it was quite evident that despite his many 'rules' and 'disciplines' at a young age, attempting to be 'holy'-- it was not unitl a later age (30 something) that He finally found the peace and salvation of the Lord. No amount of getting up at 4:00 am, or holding a holy club and doing good, and seeking out all sinful behavior on his own could save him. No amount of keeping special rules could save him. As someone quoted above about asking Wesley on his deathbed if it was possible, and with tears in his eyes, he responded that he had yet to attain it. That is very sad to me. It gives me a picture of a man who strived all of his life to achieve something that was impossible this side of heaven. Instead of resting and trusting the Lord for His salvation and cleansing work and sanctification, he seemed to be endlessly striving in the flesh, striving and working. The pressure he must have felt all of his life to try and meet this standard that was embedded in his mind. What an awful way to live. And to know that all his life, all that he strived for, was still not accomplished, what a failure he must have felt like. But in reality, it was not his to accomplish, but the Lord's. If we are willing, if we are humble and childlike and open to correction at all times, the Lord WILL see to it that we are changed moment by moment. Life is a process of growing and changing. Who can tell me that once they were saved that they instantly became like Jesus and have walked in that ever since? Jesus was sinless perfection. He was our example to look to. But who is just like him in all ways and all areas of life? Even Paul states : "Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me." Phil. 3:12 Do any of think us better or more holy than Paul? Yes, we must press on to perfection. We must always be changing and growing toward that goal. But as soon as we think we are perfect, is that not pride? Is that not an opportunity to be puffed up and think ourselves better than others? Speaking of perfection, what of this verse: "But above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfection." Col 3:14 I can tell you right now, that i am lacking in this area. I know I have more to work on in this area of of love and not having a critical attitude. To me and to the Lord, these are sins. What must we say about these. In my life, I have such a long way to go to become more like Him. This is my desire to change more and more into His image, day by day, minute by minute, year by year. And He IS working this in me. I know this. I trust Him to do this in me. I can rest in the knowledge that He is in control of my life and my sanctification. But as I sit here, I can say with all honesty and humility, that I am no where near sinless or perfect. May God have His way with me and may His will be done.In His love, Chanin

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Onfire Dec 9, 2005

Chanin ~> Is sin bad behaviour or being separated from God? What I'm asking is that are we separated from God first and then the behaviour or actions are the result of being separated from Him. It seems that many people think that the behaviour or action is the actual sin.

sermonindex Dec 9, 2005

Let me be very clear in opening this topic: We are talking aboutthe "inner man" here. And this is the secret to the 'sinless' life.already this article has become into the wrong direction, this is a sort of gnoticism seperating the working of the flesh and spirit and the only part of us that can be redeemed or of any value is the inner man "spirit". "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1 Thessalonians 5:23).Notice Paul says: spirit, soul AND spirit.No STRIVING or "TRYING to be good". Thisis clearly what the New Testament describes as normalThere is absolutely not grounding in scripture for this concept of passivity that aquires sinless-ness. There needs to be a constant "reckoning" and striving to enter into the "rest" (Hebrews 4:8-11, Romans 6:11).We have so reduced the gospel today to make it more "convenient"that it is no gospel at all. And thus we have entire church-loadsof people who are completely unsaved. They go down the front and pray the "little prayer", then they spend the rest of their livespaying their tithes and "trying to be good". -This is what a lot ofour Christianity amounts to. And it is all garbage. It is no "newbirth" at all. Wesley would be rolling in his grave to see what wepreach as the 'new birth' today.Great statement! It is so true that people are making decisions and not being "born" at the altar. "And it is all garbage." I think andrew is the only fellow that can pull that statement off. It definetly isn't something pretty and we need to change ourselves and pray for God to change this situation. A normal Christian is a "holy" Christian.Today, we are no longer bringing people into this state with our preaching. And therefore I say to you - "WE HAVE LOST THE GOSPEL". And when we lose the gospel, we lose Christianity itself.Christianity and the Gospel is Christ, and surely we have not lost Christ, can He even be lost? we are propogating an false gospel surely if elements are missing or in extreme. We say we want "apostolic preaching" and true "Revival" preachers.I don't think we realize what we are asking for. -Such searching,direct, bold and convicting preaching as we have never heard in our lives.Amen may God bring many more in our day, We need revival preachers like these desperately, may God shock us with them!

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moreofHim Dec 9, 2005

Onfire,Sorry,I am not sure what you are asking. I believe worry to be a sin. I belive bitterness to be a sin. I believe (spiritual) idolatry and adultery to be a sin.In Him, Chanin

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I believe worry to be a sin. I belive bitterness to be a sin. I believe (spiritual) idolatry and adultery to be a sin.How about pride or selfishness.I remember sitting across from a brother and talking with him. And the conversation in scripture came to 1 John 1:8. He stated that he felt he had no sin right now as we were talking. And I asked him well do you think you sinned in the last hour? last 30 minutes? he said yes but he asked for forgivness and with a straight face told me he had right now no sense of sin in his life.We can think we are sinless sitting by ourselves in a room but wait till God puts certain people or situations in our lifes. Or even if the presence of the Holy God comes near to us we will actually start to realize how sinful we are in light of God's absolute purity and perfection!Have mercy on me God a sinner. is my constant heart-cry.

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