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Wildhorse Jan 11, 2006

Hey Guys,I was wondering if anyone could shed any insight here... I have been diagnosed and suffer OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder), so I sometimes need to check things or worry about things too much... it seems to go through my family... anyway..I sometimes get repeating (what I would call) blasphemous thoughts going through my head which are pretty hard to fight off - basically just cursing THOUGHTS... I know they are wrong and keep praying to the LORD to help me beat it once and for all...Also lately I have been trying to get rid of swearing as well, I am also getting the urge to want to say these things probably because I have restricted myself in an attempt to make everything that comes out of my mouth clean...What can I do? I feel I am drowning here (proverbially...) and I just can't get rid of these thoughts. I do not ever want to curse God, Look at what he has done for us all... I have no desire at all to have these thoughts running through my mind, so I especially don't want to ever say them, God Forbid!If it is a form of warfare, how does Satan do this?Any suggestions?Scriptures?God BlessBrother in ChristMichael

sermonindex Jan 11, 2006

HiI don't have any major insight as in 'is it warfare' but when I first came back to the Lord I had continuous blasphemous thoughts about God in my head from the moment I woke up to the moment I went to bed every day for quite a long time. I used to try to control these by retracting them all or repeating truth over and over in my head to try to stop this from happening as I felt that if I didn't keep doing this then it would be like I meant them but I really didn't want or mean them. In the end I completely gave up trying to stop or fight them but got to a place where I just let go but in the right sense and said a very simple prayer that Jesus would keep me through it and not let them defile or confuse me and they just dissapeared and one day I reallised I didn't have them any more. I think I have always had a slight tendency towards obsessive behaviour right from when I was little as I remember going through a stage when I was quite little going through a phase where I had to say a collection of words before my parents went out as I was scared that if I didn't say them then they might not come back. I knew it was silly but didn't seem to be able to stop doing it. I think that the devil knows our weaknesses and one of mine is a tendency towards obsessive thoughts and quite an overactive imagination. I am a terrible 'what if' person. He will use these things to try to throw me from time to time but God has always just brought peace and sanity to my mind when I have really just stopped trying to fight them and really just given it all over to Him to sort out. It sometimes has taken me a while but hopefully as time goes on I learn how to do this better.Don't know if this helps at all.

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Wildhorse Jan 11, 2006

Praise God!I am not alone then. I had those things when I was young too...Thanks for the advice :)Michael

sermonindex Jan 11, 2006

That's ok, I always find it encouraging to know that other people experience similar things as it can be really isolating and lonely otherwise. Anyway - I would not really think myself qualified to give any proper advice but just can relate it to my own experience. :-)

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brentw Jan 11, 2006

Wildhorse, I believe firmly this is spiritual warfare. The enemy works heavily on our minds!I just read a chapter on warfare of the mind by Watchmen Nee. The book is called "The spiritual man". He goes into flashing thoughts, forgetfulness, dreams, uttering things that just pop into our minds, and he calls these things evil spirits distracting us to not focus on the Holy Spirit. Nee tells us to resist these things. I encourage you to read the bible alot and during those times of evil thoughts I try to pray. Reading your bible alot is "brain washing"!

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Helpmeplease Nov 6, 2010

same here.
im cursing things in my head, cursing everyone including God. then i try to pray so it wont happen.
though thise things arent real, or wont happen, idk why i believe it migth happen and im afraid of it.
i asked God to take it away form me but its still going on.
i can look like a normal happy person on the outside but inside me in like a storm, esp on nuights when i lay awake and thsoe thoughts rush into me. geez ;/
i have a feeling i have mental problem too besides my depression , because i keep imagining i see supernatural things and dont dar ebe alone at home.
i relaly wanna get rid of all these things.
it seems like mim the only one in my whole church? lol..

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Lesserlight Nov 6, 2010

Satan by design takes advantage wherever and whenever he can but confessing our difficulties in overcoming him is a critical first step towards overcoming him

James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

We all have thorns in our "flesh" that is the messenger of satan doing his best to succeed in driving a wedge between us and God. We can try to defeat these thorns through adherence to God and His law but the just as the jews never could keep the law neither can Christians overcome sin.

You can ask God to take away your problem but I doubt if He will......He did not take away Paul's thorn and in fact used it to keep Paul humble and as a way to show grace and mercy towards Paul.

So what can we do"

Darkness is never changed to light but light displaces darkness!

What you need to do is have in increase in the light that is your faith. The only way your faith can be increased is for God to increase it and faith cometh by hearing the Word of God. With an increase in the faith that is His light in you the darkness that is troubling you will flee

But faith does not get increased by hearing and believing a bunch of man made doctrines and theologies about what is written in the Bible.

So I have given you one simple verse to believe in......... by confessing your temptation you have put Satan on notice that you will defeat him the same same way Jesus did when Satan tried to tempt Him....... through knowing and believing the Word of God.

My prayer for you is that God shine the truth on you so that the same Word of God that Jesus lived by become the source of your life.

Blessings

Doug

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cass10 Nov 6, 2010

To all of those who shared similar stories:

2 Corinthians 10:2
"casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ"

EVERY thought, we are to ask, is this in line with God's Word?
So I agree with the others who have suggested you fill your mind with the Word of God.

2 Timothy 1:7
"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a SOUND MIND."

1 Corinthians 2: 16
"For "who has known the mind of the LORD that he may instruct Him?" But we have the MIND of Christ."

The first step is to stop, and say aloud, no that is NOT my thought, it is a lie (blasphemy, etc) and I take it captive! Let these scriptures soak in and find others that are encouraging to you and speak TRUTH to you.

sermonindex Nov 6, 2010

I think everyone who follows Christ has experienced wicked thoughts , impressions or dreams projected upon them by the wicked demons. I would consider your[s] a little further down the line, having entered into the realm of being tormented.

The Bible speaks of "perfect love" casting away all fear, in which this torment would fall under. Perfect love , perfect Peace.

Isaiah 26:3
"You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is stayed on You,Because he trusts in You."

1. Wash your mind continually with the "water of the Word".
Read the Psalms and Scriptures in a meditative, worshipping way, until His Peace begins to envelop you. Do this often, and each morning...and throughout the day.

2. Refuse the spirit of condemnation. We have the power to:
"cast down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ." This power is given to every believer, not just super apostles.

3.Enter into into a prayer group with trusted and mature friends who can minister to you, and you can be transparent with. This is quite beatable, and can be overcome, but not without a fight.
As these thoughts and entities are continually exposed and brought before the holy light of Jesus, they will loosen their grip, and flee.

When this occurs, fill up your "house" with God, lest finding it swept and clean, more wickedness returns and your end is worse. Otherwise, keep yourself clean, and sin no more.

As far as how this began; who knows? There are recorded instances in the Bible of children who were violated by demons. It probably wasn't your fault, and even if it was...you are free in Jesus. Attack this thing with violence, and don't stop until you overcome it.

Have spiritual men lay hands on you, and pray for healing often; until you win. You can do this. Don't think you cannot.


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ginnyrose Nov 6, 2010

In addition to the points given in how to beat the Enemy may I suggest that you pray, asking the Father to reveal to you what you have in your possession that attracts demons. When He shows you, collect it and have a bonfire! Burn it! Do not sell it! By selling it you will be promoting another person in his lifestyle in Evil. These items may include books, music, artwork, plus other objects that symbolize rebellion,evil, etc.

If you recall, Acts 19:19 records a similar incident.

God bless you...you can be delivered...

ginnyrose

sermonindex Nov 6, 2010

Some thoughts.

In the end I completely gave up trying to stop or fight them but got to a place where I just let go but in the right sense and said a very simple prayer that Jesus would keep me through it and not let them defile or confuse me and they just dissapeared and one day I reallised I didn't have them any more.
This account is an important key to deliverance. It doesn't read as if God is in control, but by not depending on your own strength, indeed you are able to delivered by His.

Sometimes the crescendo increases despite having handed over something, but most important is to keep looking to the Lord, Who is Faithful.

I used to have nightmares (every night), and was advised to pray every night until one night I forgot - because I'd stopped having nightmares almost as soon as I began the prayer routine. It took about six weeks for it to dawn on me that actually, I didn't have a nightmare 'problem' any more. Praise God.

ginnyrose said

These items may include books, music, artwork, plus other objects that symbolize rebellion,evil, etc.

If you recall, Acts 19:19 records a similar incident.

Personal hurts from difficult relationships or emotional or spiritual injury, fears which have a basis in your experience (but when you are in faith with God's word), all can open a pathway for spiritual attack. If you ask the Lord, He will reveal to you what the cause is, but it's no good then trying to take over managing that root. It has to be given to God wholeheartedly.

Brothertom said

I would consider your[s] a little further down the line, having entered into the realm of being tormented.
If you think you may know why you are weak, or vulnerable to this torment, you can also pray for the Lord to lead you through any steps of repentance, or forgiveness, or healing (not listed in any order - just be obedient to Him), which will strengthen you to endure.


sermonindex Nov 6, 2010

Any suggestions?
Scriptures?

Hebrews 4: 9
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God... 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest,

Hebrews 7:24 But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

James 4:7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse [your] hands, [you] sinners; and purify [your] hearts, [you] double-minded.

Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.

Romans 6:19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Isaiah 40:1 Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God. 2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins. 3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. 4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain: 5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see [it] together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken [it].

28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, [that] the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? [there is] no searching of his understanding. 29 He giveth power to the faint; and to [them that have] no might he increaseth strength. 30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall: 31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew [their] strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; [and] they shall walk, and not faint.


John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

1 Peter 5
be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 7 Casting ALL your care upon him; for he careth for you.

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Renoncer Nov 7, 2010

There are two options:

1) Either you’re not truly saved from your sins, in which case you need to consider the following verses:

From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water? Can a fig tree, my brothers, bear olives, or a grapevine produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water.
(James 3:10-12)

The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
(Luke 6:45)

Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
(Matthew 11:28-30)

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
(2 Corinthians 5:17)

Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, 'Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.'"
(John 7:38)


2) Or you are saved but struggling, in which case you should consider the following verses:

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
(Romans 12:2)

Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eye is healthy, your whole body is full of light, but when it is bad, your body is full of darkness. Therefore be careful lest the light in you be darkness. If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, it will be wholly bright, as when a lamp with its rays gives you light."
(Luke 11:34-36)

How can a young man keep his way pure? By guarding it according to your word. With my whole heart I seek you; let me not wander from your commandments! I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you.
(Psalms 119:9-11)


In other words, the solution is:
- Faith in Christ (the only power over sin) – 1John5:1-5
- Forsaking every POTENTIAL source of darkness (i.e. doubtful television programs, movies, music, etc.)
- Filling your mind and heart with the Word of God


The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8) So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. (John 8:36)

Amen.

Do you believe this? I mean, do you really believe?

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