Discussing with evolutionists

Have you ever wondered how the unbelievers think about the fact that plants exhale oxygen, and plants and animals and humans exhale carbon dioxide, and we complement each other? With their way of thinking, plants are simpler and came before the rest of us. So how was there enough carbon dioxide to support the plants when nothing existed to breathe it into the atmosphere?I grew up in the 1960's, when evolution was the only thing taught in schools. And since no one told me better, I just accepted this without thinking about it.When I was 29 (1980) I got saved, and wondered how it could be so easy for Satan to dupe people. Not hard at all. I never thought about it. I just went on with my life until someone told me the Truth. Scary, huh?BUT if the Bible is true, and things didn't just appear at extremely long intervals, but were created over a period of days, maybe it makes some sense.Also, if this planet rotated just a little slower, it would be extremely hot on one side, and extremely cold on the other. If it rotated just a little faster, we would have hurricanes all the time. If we were just a little closer to the sun, we would burn up. If we were just a little farther from the sun, we would be an ice ball, including the atmosphere.Check out a site called "Reasons to Believe" to see what scientists with open minds think. http://www.reasons.org/I heard about some scientists who became believers because they had studied DNA. They found out that DNA is an incredibly complex (manufactured) code, and it has been around since the earliest creatures, so obviously, it didn't evolve. Look at a beetle from the oldest times, and it's just like they are now. It hasn't evolved-it is still a beetle.I could go on and on, but it's your turn.

Dear brother, I beg to differ.By believing that macro-evolution happens to put death before sin, which is unscriptural. I believe the bible is the infallible inspired word of God, therefore I cannot believe in macro-evolution.Bird flu can be explained by the process of mutation. I will go over this in greater detail if you ask me to..

bubbaguy wrote:My point of view is that Creation is still happening through the process of evolution. If it isn't, then how do you explain the appearance new viruses that develop, such as bird flu? I had an incredible revelation whilst reading the list of clean and unclean animals in Leviticus. I was reading away, when I thought to myself, "Hang on. Bats aren't birds." Then I realised that I was telling God how he should have categoried His creation into species based on the findings from pontifical scientists.Interestingly, viruses and bacteria didn't even rate a mention in this comprhensive list of creatures. One could claim that, with the benefit of hindsight, that they weren't known of before. Aren't we so smart as to know of the existance of creatures that the author of Leviticus? What was is name again? I think it starts with "M" and rhymes with "Hoses"...oh, no wait, that was the secretary...the author went by the name of Y-HW-H.No where in scripoture is there mention of desease as a species. No mention of their creation in the creation account. Does this support evolution? Only if there isn't another explaination for their entry into earth. Maybe they came by UFO...oh, no wait...no mention of UFOs and Alien lifeforms. Maybe they were hiding in the dust, with the dust mites (actually, no mention of dust mites either). There is, however mention fo God releasing diseases {plagues} in judgement (Gen 12:17;Ex 9:14,11:1,32:35;Lev 16:21;Num 16:46,31:16;Deut 28:59-61;2 Ch 21:14;Zech 14:12-14;Rev 15:1,16:9,18:8,22:18). Pehaps I'm going out on a limb here, but perhaps the reason why their are "mutations" of viruses, isn't so much a proof of evolution, but a testimony to the sovereignity of God, who allows the "creation" of progressively worse viruses, bacteria and other paracitical creatures in order further show mankind the utter futility of life without Him (give me a tapeworm over the "worm that never dies" anyday).Sorry if I offend with my attempts at humour. Unlike most christians, I find evolution to be a reasonable explaination of the origin of the universe. But that's why they call it "worldly wisdom".

My point of view is that Creation is still happening through the process of evolution. If it isn't, then how do you explain the appearance new viruses that develop, such as bird flu?I don't know. And I wasn't talking to "Christians who believe in evolution", or telling anyone that they "distrusted the Word", or giving anyone a hard time.I was discussing how I talk to non-believers to get them saved.Ever heard that there are only 39 root diseases that every disease that ever existed spring from? That's why Jesus bore the 39 stripes.

Here are a couple of good sites.Dr. Kent HovidDr. Ken Ham

I always find these facts utterly fascinating. It always fills my mind and spirit with a sense of awe at the wisdom and intelligence of God. Then I wonder why so many 'intelligent' people will work to discount the creation story? Do all of them know exactly why and how their car works? Do they understand how their bodies function in the smallest detail? Have they ever seen their bodies digest food? Seen the results, but never seen the actual process, I am certain. The point is there is a lot of things around us that we do not understand and we do not question it validity. We do know that SOMEONE does and are content to leave it at that. I would suggest believing in creation hinges on our understandin/belief in God:who he is, what he can or cannot do. [EDIT] And in believing the creation story the changes it will require of us.Consider what Ravi Zacharias says: Is it possible that somewhere in the deepest recesses of the human heart we are not really battling intellectual ideas as much as fighting for the right of our sexual proclivities and our passionate indulgences? ~Ravi Zacharias, Lessons from the Battle of Ideas, 11-21 ginnyrose

You don't need to believe in the literal Genesis story in order to be a Christian.but it help hey ;-)weve been through this recently here: Proving God's Creationand here:Evolution Trial Arguments Endand here:Brief History of Creationismand here!:Fundamentalists 'threaten scientific progress'AND here:'Intelligent design' teaching banBird flu explained here :The ‘bird flu’ and evolutionMy point of view is that Creation is still happening through the process of evolutionthis is contradicting the Bible again! Genesis 2:2 'And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.'matt

Now I'm going to sound like a real heretic.Much of your beliefs are not biblical or true. That is why you 'sound like a real heretic.'

checked your book out Bub;here check this book out Defenders Study Bibleinteresting quote from this book is found on page 1376:And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrew 9:27I'm sorry you seem to put more faith in 'science' so called than in the OBVIOUS teachings of the word of God! first evolution and now re-incarnation.. i dread to think what next Bub sorrymatt*EDIT* why have you brought up reincarnation anyway Bub? why not start a new thread? or post on an old one about it

Now I'm going to sound like a real heretic. Not only is physical evolution happening, but spiritual evolution is happening as well, through sequential lives."Reincarnation - belief that the soul moves from one bodily existence into another until, usually following many particular existences, it is released from historical existence and absorbed into the Absolute" - see also Karma"Karma - Hindu term for the 'law' of justice or cause and effect, requiring that the accumulated effect of one's actions in this life determine the type of existence the soul will have in the next life; you reap what you sow." (Definitions from the book "Understanding the New Age" by Russell Chandler.)I had to read your quote again! This is the first time I have ever 'met' a Christian who believes in reincarnation. I am totally baffled! How you can believe it!Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"That is one verse which states very clearly that we die once only. How can we continue living again and again. Who are we on Judgement Day - the man who lived in BC 3200 or the woman in BC400 or AD230 or AD 1666 or AD 2006? What if we were not 'Christian' in some of those lives and currently in 2006 not a Christian and this happens to be our last life? Does our Christianity in one of those lives stand for anything? Do we have any chance of getting to heaven? No assurance of any kind of salvation.It makes a total mockery of Jesus's sacrifice for me on the cross (me and all the other me-s). I am a unique person - there will never be another me. I have never existed before in any form.Re-incarnation is a central theme within Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism as well as some pagan religions. It is not recognised within any of the Christian denominations. The early church rightly declared it to be heresy. Currently re-incarnation is having a hey-day with the New Age ideas that are swamping the world and the church.I have glanced at the information in the book to which you gave a link. I believe that the whole thing is a deception of the devil. He is behind every one of those different life memories that each poor deceived person believes they have lived. It is no different to some today who believe they have met people from outer space, or people who have spirit guides that lead and guide them - and torment them from articles I have read. It is all the work of the Devil himself to distract us from God and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.I don't want to scare you, but I beg you to get down before the Lord and ask Him to show you that your belief in re-incarnation is completely unbiblical. It matters very much what you do and what you don't believe. It can lead to further deception. All roads do not lead to God.Sue

Now I'm going to sound like a real heretic. Not only is physical evolution happening, but spiritual evolution is happening as well, through sequential lives."Reincarnation - belief that the soul moves from one bodily existence into another until, usually following many particular existences, it is released from historical existence and absorbed into the Absolute" - see also Karma"Karma - Hindu term for the 'law' of justice or cause and effect, requiring that the accumulated effect of one's actions in this life determine the type of existence the soul will have in the next life; you reap what you sow." (Definitions from the book "Understanding the New Age" by Russell Chandler.)I had to read your quote again! This is the first time I have ever 'met' a Christian who believes in reincarnation. I am totally baffled! How you can believe it!Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"That is one verse which states very clearly that we die once only. How can we continue living again and again. Who are we on Judgement Day - the man who lived in BC 3200 or the woman in BC400 or AD230 or AD 1666 or AD 2006? What if we were not 'Christian' in some of those lives and currently in 2006 not a Christian and this happens to be our last life? Does our Christianity in one of those lives stand for anything? Do we have any chance of getting to heaven? No assurance of any kind of salvation.It makes a total mockery of Jesus's sacrifice for me on the cross (me and all the other me-s). I am a unique person - there will never be another me. I have never existed before in any form.Re-incarnation is a central theme within Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism as well as some pagan religions. It is not recognised within any of the Christian denominations. The early church rightly declared it to be heresy. Currently re-incarnation is having a hey-day with the New Age ideas that are swamping the world and the church.I have glanced at the information in the book to which you gave a link. I believe that the whole thing is a deception of the devil. He is behind every one of those different life memories that each poor deceived person believes they have lived. It is no different to some today who believe they have met people from outer space, or people who have spirit guides that lead and guide them - and torment them from articles I have read. It is all the work of the Devil himself to distract us from God and the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.I don't want to scare you, but I beg you to get down before the Lord and ask Him to show you that your belief in re-incarnation is completely unbiblical. It matters very much what you do and what you don't believe. It can lead to further deception. All roads do not lead to GodSue