David Hogan?

I was listening to some of David Hogans teaching ,they sounded good. However I later heard of all the controversy . Just wondering what you guys think ,or if any one has any insight on him? Thanks aaron

come on no ones has an opinion on this guy

I don't know a lot about him, but have heard some of his teaching also. He is definately out of the box and would be radical in the eyes of religion, no doubt. He ministers mainly in a remote area of ?Mexico, I think. He claims to have witnessed tremendous miracles including eyes being formed where there were none and dead raising. Many dispute his testimony. What they base that on, I'm not quite sure since I don't think anyone of them were actually there. Perhaps since they have not seen such miracles with their own eyes they do not believe, but the Word tells us believers will do such great miracles. Yes! Critics are never in short supply. He sort of reminds me of Heidi Baker in that they seem to be actually doing, living what scripture has commanded to us. Heidi Baker came from a wealthy family. She left all of those comforts to minister to, feed, clothe and make disciples in a place few would be willing to even visit. I don't know about David's background but he obviously has also chosen to live with less in this life to reach an otherwise ignored and forgotten people. Is he for real? That is for God to decide. I hope he is. If he isn't. I would hate to be in his shoes. It seems a dangerous thing to me to so easily tear down and criticize a minister of the gospel. Sure I have heard things taught by some ministers that put a check in my spirit but what if I am wrong and I have cursed what God has appointed and anointed? Hmm, not good either. NOt to say there are of course some fruit loops out there that are obviously of another spirit. I am not talking about that. I am speaking of these "discernment ministries" who make it a point to investigate and pick apart other ministries with a fine tooth comb looking for any t that is not crossed so they can "expose" the false teachers. This is ridiculous and I would like to know what ministry, preacher, teacher has the 100% right doctrine. We must each let the Holy Spirit in the light of God's Word show us what is good and true. Let's leave the witch hunts behind.I hope I do not come across as suggesting that you were criticizing David Hogan. I realize you obviously did not but so many do. Others that come to mind would be Micheal Brown and Steve Hill. I know there have been several threads concerning these men and Brownsville as of late as well as of old. I have not taken the time to follow them as it generally just grieves my spirit, but I do wonder if this has been mentioned. I have heard both Mike Brown and Steve Hill refer to Ravenhill (whom is held in high regard on this forum, and he should be) as a friend and mentor to them and as having personal conversations with the man. Just wondering if anyone else has picked up on this tid bit. It seems that Ravenhill did not have a problem with them.Blessings,Hope

Hi Aaron...!David Hogan is based just down the road from my University (about an hour away). And yes, I have attended some of David Hogan's meetings. And unfortunately, I did not like them at all. We've covered this topic in the past extensively. If you use the SEARCH feature, you can type in DAVID HOGAN, and you will find some of those previous threads. I wrote about my experiences in those other threads. Again, I was quite saddened and disgusted during those meetings. :-( EDIT:I said that I was "saddened and disgusted" because much of what he preached was extra-Biblical. His stories were very imaginative (including being talked to by a huge owl, and getting "chased" by Satan -- who was polite enough to open and close the Church gate). It was also the first time that I was ever "pushed" down by a preacher (who even preached that if you didn't fall down, then you were "fighting the Holy Ghost"). He made the entire Church come up to the stage, side by side, where he quickly pushed on our foreheads. He pushed on my rather hard -- while two of his men pulled me down by the shoulders. Needless to say, I was quite embarrassed, angry and saddened at the same time!

He comes to my area each year...back from the field. He has family here. (Northeast Louisiana)I've heard him a few times.He's different...to say the least...radical. He doesn't put up with or tolerate the Worldy Church.Real or Not? I don't know. I saw nothing wrong with his services, but I wasn't blown away either.Some of his stories are rather bizarre..for lack of a better term. But who am I to question what goes on in some of the jungles of Mexico? Having never been there, I can't say. He preached the Truth with a firey passion when I saw him.Just my two cents... :-)In Christ,Mark

I have some serious concerns about Mr. Hogan. I've only heard him speak once. A lot of emotional rowdiness, and not much more. I met this young couple who were absolutely precious. The young lady was pregnant. Yet all they wanted to do was go to the mission field, regardless of the cost. They went to serve with David Hogan.They were made to sleep on the earth in a hut, and work from dawn to dusk in a corn field. There was no care of assistance of any kind for the young lady. Most of the time, she was seperated from her husband.They came home crushed. I have no desire to visit Mr. Hogan or listen to his messages. Onesimus4God

Just wanted to say that I have spent time with David Hogan and have seen some of the things he reports with my own eyes. He is for real. Most of the people I have met that have negative opinions of him have formed those opinions from reading negative Blogs, or have heard him teach and were turned off because they like there plush american lifestyle that he so readily attacks.I am very aware of the lifestyle that the missionaries live with down there, and am dissapointed to see a post about a couple where the wife was pregnant. The info provided was very missleading. What he was refering to where they worked in the field and lived in a dirt hut is language school. The language school he sends all of his missionaries to is in mexico, it is a 1 year commitment, and you live just like the people you are going to minister to. You work in the field half the day and learn spanish the remainder. As far as the emotional style he uses when he preaches, that is a matter of personal taste i think. I like his layed back aproach. I don't like a style where the preacher gets up and looks down on the congregation like he is better then them.If you don't like him because of his style, remember to sort out the precious from the holy, for God offends the mind to reveal the heart. I have to remind myself of that all the time. With regards to what some call being slain in the spirit. I don't know what to tell you, I have been persoally prayed for by david and many of the missionaries that work with him, I have never resisted, but also have never gone down by the spirit or by the physical push of a man.Its sad that the ministers of God take time to take down a man doing Gods. David is a man, not perfect, but completely sold out to Jesus and the fruit of his ministry is great. People born again where the organized church failed because they refuse to do simple things like eat the food that is put before them(a huge offense to the people he ministers to).I would be curious to know how many people that have a negative opinion of him have actually been to the work and have spent time with him, not just a 10 minute conversation, but real time. We can all form opinions on the opinions of others, but the fruit of the man tells the real story.If you want to know more about him visit www.fuegodedios.com

Hi jsolson...!I disagree. I attended many of David Hogan's meetings because he conducted a series of meetings at the Church that I attended. My dislike for his "style" or "methods" had little to do with this distrust of his "ministry." I have traveled through Mexico with authentic missionaries to the Tarahumara in the Sierra Madre Occidental. We were forced to endure difficult circumstances, which all of us gladly accepted. Yet the things that I witnessed were awe-inspiring. But it is interesting that many of the most humble ministers and missionaries that I know from Mexico do not think very much about David Hogan.At the services that I attended, David Hogan indeed came across as a self-promoter. But that wasn't what bothered me so much. It bothered me that David Hogan preached extremely extra-Biblical charismatic doctrine -- all the while proclaiming himself as "the man of God." He left no room for disagreement (or testing) of his particular views. His tales from Mexico were also quite controversial. He talked about having a huge demon-possessed owl speak to him, and actually question him about "who" he thought he was -- and tell him that he couldn't have their town (alot like what alot of charismatic ministers claim to hear from demons). He also spoke about a time where he was walking from the Church to the huts, and how the gate opened and closed behind him. He knew it was the devil, so he ran saying, "The Devil is coming! The Devil is coming!" He told many other tales that were, well, weird. But you know what? Some people did exactly what they were told and "did not question" the "man of God." His doctrine was quite interesting. He wore his bandana, a cowboy hat, boots and Wranglers, and complained that Christian people "dress up" to go to Church. I thought it was funny since the meetings mostly took place at night, and there is no need for a hat or bandana since there is no sun (inside the building). He preached about signs, wonders and miracles -- although none took place at our church during those two weeks (other than the people that were "slain in the Spirit). When the sick were not healed, Mr. Hogan boldly claimed it was because there was such a "lack of faith" in America. He also scolded the congregation, saying that if you didn't "fall down" when he prayed for you, then you were "fighting the Holy Spirit." Needless to say, most of the congregation "fell down" when he brought them on stage. Mr. Hogan constantly complained about the "plush American lifestyle" amongst believers -- and how Americans can't trust God to take care of them. Yet he then proceeded to take up numerous offerings for support. Hmmm. It was interesting that God was not "taking care" of him with the offerings from Mexico. His messages were simplistic -- and reminded me of a TBN prosperity message mingled with some of the "Toronto Blessing" (of which Mr. Hogan said he was involved), and a little of the "scolding of America" style of preaching. I am not saying that David Hogan is a "false preacher" or a "wolf in sheep's clothing." But he very well may be misled himself. I believe that, as believers, we are commended to "test everything" in all matters of faith, life and doctrine. The messages from "preachers" such as David Hogan is no exception. He lives about an hour down the road from my University, and I have often thought about finding his ministry headquarters. It would be interesting to discuss my concerns with him, and see how he answers such concerns. :-(

I am sorry to here the report that you bring, it dissapoints me to here you say things that he said in the meetings you were in. I have been in many meetings with him in several places around the US and never heard him say or imply that you are resisting God by not falling down. And i have heard the story where he said the devil is coming, although the way you say the one fraise is some what misleading i think. Yes his stories are very far out there, I think the word is supernatural - but then again so are many of the stories in the bible - throw a stick in the water to make a axe head float? Didn't saul see and talk to a spirit. I have never heard about him talking to an owl and i have approximatley 200 hours of audio and video of his preaching. My experiences in Mexico with him and the missionaries that work with him only confirm what preaching i have heard. Like I said he is a man and maybe emotion got the better of him when he was with you. I have seen those that were dead and are now not, and talked to them. And as far as his attitude to americans, I hold it as well and i am one. I talk to people who say they believe in and trust Jesus for there wellbeing, but say they can't live with out health ins. What a pile of balogny, what will they do on the day that there is no more health care like 90% of the rest of the world. Maybe the reason there are more miricles in Mexico then here is because they have no fallback if God doesn't work as they want. I have seen great miracles because i have been in situations where ins. and/or money could not fix the problem. In anycase you are right, we are to test everything, I find nothing unscriptural in what he is teaching and encouraging us to do. I'm not sure what you here him teaching, but i here him teaching odedience to Jesus and the spirit, live a pure and holy life putting everything under the feet of Jesus, and believe. I had to stop in the middle of writing this to visit with a customer who came into my shop. I know who he is, but do not really know him. He said the reason he came into my shop was because he recognized me as a follower of Jesus. I can directly attribute encouragement from David and his preaching to who I am today and thank Jesus for his input into my life. Allthough he talks about gifts of the spirit alot, we are not to judge a man on his words or gifts, but by his fruit - Love, joy, peace, patients, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. I see all of these fruits in Davids life, so there is no doubt to me that he is following Jesus. I think the problem that most people have with him is that we see the power of God in Davids life and those he has taught, and we are either jealous of him or don't believe it is possible. The answer is simple - These signs will follow those who believe.....

WOW thats a lot to think about thanks for your input. When I listen to his teachings Im extremely challenged, and at the same time very caution . I think what most of you said is right on . Ill continue to test him with out condemning his work for the Lord. thank for all your comments and any additional info :-) aaron619

I am glad to hear that there is someone who has actually been there with David Hogan and seen what he says to be true. Even though I have never met him personally, I have met other missionaries who live there in mexico who have said he is the real thing...and I know they are for real and would not lie or exagerate.

I am surprised that so many people, who grow up in our society with all the benefits of american life, are so quick to speak evil of someone who comes from a perspective that is obviously foreign to us. Now for those who say they have listened to him because they have seen him in their church, but have never actually been there in mexico and seen the things he talks about, I say it is foolishly premature to critique the mans testimony having never been there. What I find interesting is that those who have been there, those who stay for a while and experience, they are no longer so quick to cast him out as a heretic. They actually become more on fire for God and acknowledge that God does indeed work in awesome supernatural ways.

I can understand how we here in America are quick to spit insults at others with a different life experience they we do. However, life in the world is not limited to the american experience. Please...for those who don't like the way David comes across, consider what he says and pray about it and seek God. Just quit criticizing him just because his zealousness exceeds our own.

AARON619 wrote:
come on no ones has an opinion on this guy

I suppose I have nothing to loose, as I line up on the Incorrect side of everything else.
I have been in about 12 of his meetings over the years.
I first saw him in 1998 at a bible college.

It was so awesome it changed my life.

Does he have negatives?
Yes.

He has been through some heavy stuff in Mexico and his closest friend was martyred just a few years ago. It really rocked him.

He cares nothing of opinion and he says he will die in Mexico.

He claims over 300 raised from the dead and I believe him.

I have videos of him and can tell his stories almost as good as Dave himself.

David

Here is a story from memory;

There is a village in Mexico where a mother and her two teenage daughters reside.
A sickness came ( sarrapio negro) and killed about half the village. Including the woman's two teenage daughters.
Well in Mexico everyone takes care of their own dead. But there were so many dead that they dug mass graves.
She had to hike about half a days journey to get a sack of lime to pour on top of the dead girls bodies.(to help with containing the disease) It would be a couple of days before they got to the girls.(for burial)

She said to herself "I have got to go get the man of God." The closest church was one Dave started about one days walk away. So she set out to find the man of God.
When she got there it was the next day and the church was having a pastors conference. She told the pastors what happened and they said "we cant go right now because of the conference. and tomorrow we are going to pray all night because we are in an extended fast.

THEY WER'NT AT THE STEAK HOUSE. THEY WERE AT THE THRONE OF GOD ALMIGHTY.

Well,they finally said to her "ok it is time to go"

So they hiked all day to get back to where those two teenage girls were. They were almost ready to be buried when they arrived.

This is now the third day.

They had the two girl laying by the grave still completely covered with lime.

Now those two pastors who had just finished the conference and fast had been praying all night.

Each of the pastors straddled those two teenage girls covered in lime and commanded them back to life.

BOTH THOSE GIRLS STOOD UP!!

David

The controversy brother is because devils hate God and people who will submit to the Holy Ghost and use the authority they have in Christ to damage the devils kingdom.

I rebuke anyone on here who looks down on this man. You go and lay your life down for Christ and give up your home and your wife and your children and everything you have and your pride and all that you are and lay it down at the foot of the Cross and go to those who have not heard the name of Jesus and give your life for those people. Then you come on here and make a post and make negative comments about an imperfect human who has done great things for Christ.

You go and see the dead raised, the blind eyes being opened, and thousands coming into the kingdom then you come and judge people who have done such things for God and have shared much about it. If you haven't done that then go back to your bed room in your own shame and repent and humble yourself and surrender yourself to God and forsake all to follow Jesus and start believing what the Word of God says.

If you are not doing what the Bible says you should be doing, then don't make comments that are negative about people who are doing what God said to do. "GO" into all the world and preach the Gospel to every living creature. Jesus didn't say keep what job you want and I will follow you. He said: If any man will come after me let him pick up his cross and follow ME. Shame on people who discredit people who are going to the unreached, people who are out of touch with God and who are not willing to reach the lost at any cost. May God convict you to GO to the multitudes who haven't heard about Jesus and proclaim Christ to those who are now set to burn in flames eternally separated from God in eternal "never ending" torment where the worm dies not and where the fire is not quenched.

I am sick of theological cowards that aren't willing to go to lands who are serving idols and give up there lives for Jesus. There are hundreds of millions waiting to hear the message "Jesus Christ is Lord" and we are going to have to give an account of what we have done. We need to repent and go after the lost sheep who are trapped with no laborers to reach them.

Examine yourself to see if you are in the faith

i, like many here, have mixed feelings about mr hogan. on one hand i am encouraged and challenged to believe God deeper and totally trust in Him alone for everything. on the other hand, some of the stories that i have listened to on cd and seen on videos seem a little out there.. he did come to my church last fall, and much like the fellow that said that he was like a macho tough apostolic image put forth with little grace, this seemed very accurate.

what is he really like?? i don't know. are his stories 100% true?? don't know.

i think that many of you guys gave good opinions on what you have seen and heard on both sides of the issue. the best thing that we can do is to trust that the Holy Spirit really can lead and guide our hearts if we place all our trust and hope in the Lord. let us take all our cares and all we have unto Him and He will help us and hold us. He is faithful brothers and sisters..

but i wouldn't condemn others because they don't agree with my stance or my opinion. nor would i condemn them because they still live in america and have not left to be a missionary somewhere. not all people all called to uproot their families and live in a jungle in a foreign country.

just a thought.

phil

one thing to keep in mind when"discerning Hogan is that his ministry is mainly to the Aztec Indians in Mexico.
He goes into places others do not dare go.He eats things you would not even look at.He drinks ugly water and his passion for them outweighs even his own family.

He gets frustrated by the lack of missionaries in the jungle. It is dangerous and hazardous to go where he goes.

He is sort of a drill sargent and in a way the weak get culled before he takes them to the really rough places.

He inspires some and infuriates others but his harshness is calculated in that he wants help but there are only a handfull that can hack the jungle and the awful food and the awful water.

On top of all this the witch doctors have been there forever. Strong principalities hinder him and have influenced the indigenous people for many,many years.

He tears down their fetishes and demon alters when he finds them and he has powerful enemies with these demon priests.

More than once they have chanted demon curses over him as he was praying for the sick.

One story I heard hogan pressed his nose against the nose of a witch doctor and cursed his god.

Just keep this in mind when you try to understand Mr hogan.

He is totally out of most everyone league.

David

Hi David...

Are you basing this upon personal experience with David Hogan or simply upon the claims that he makes? Have you been to Mexico with him?

I have been to Mexico on various missions trips and met some great men of God. However, most of the missionaries and local pastors there do not believe the tales told by David Hogan. Some very bluntly call him an opportunist who exaggerates his "work" with unsubstantiated tales of the supernatural.

Interestingly, Mexican television and newspapers are filled with stories that chase claims of the supernatural. Every time a person sees an image of the Virgin Mary on a tortilla, reporters flock to the scene. The media in Mexico also covers stories that are anti-Catholic too. Yet why has there never been a story about one of the supposedly 300-500 people that David Hogan claims to have raised from the dead? Why is he the only guy who can remember talking with a giant owl? Why does he tell stories about the devil chasing him through a village (with Satan even opening and closing gates) when we are told to not fear the devil? Why does he claim that people who are not "slain in the spirit" are "fighting the Holy Spirit?" Why does he say that those who are not healed do not receive healing because of their "lack of faith in the Holy Ghost" -- when Jesus healed many "sinners?"

Please understand that I am not attacking Mr. Hogan. I just feel that we should be cautious with any such tales. Yes, God can raise the dead. But not everyone who makes such a claim has truly raised the dead. We should not be moved based simply on the stories told by those who claim to be apostles or workers of miracles. Likewise, we should not be moved by blatant unwarranted criticism either. However, I have seen believers who took David Hogan's stories as "unquestionable truth" ever since he became well known during his days at the "Toronto Blessing."

I have sat through several meetings with David Hogan. The meetings that I attended were very similar to those described by [url=http://www.christianissues.com/hogan.html]this man[/url]. I left those meetings deeply troubled. While Mr. Hogan attempted to perform miracles in the meetings, there weren't any except for the typical "slain in the spirit" crowds that are evident in many churches. The meetings were filled with "holy laughter," people "slain in the spirit" who were "knocked on the head by God" (as Hogan put it) and quickly got back up on their feet, people in wild convulsions as they felt "holy fire" burning all over them, etc... What was lacking, however, were signs of heartfelt repentance and intense hunger to know the heart of the Lord. Sure, there was a lot of supposedly supernatural stuff going on (and boy were people seeking THAT). However, I didn't see anyone come to those meetings who left with a stronger walk with or hunger for God.

I know that this sounds like a criticism of David Hogan. However, it is actually an observation of his meetings. It is a testimony of what I have heard from very humble pastors and missionaries in Mexico. It has less to do with a criticism of Hogan and more to do with a "testing" of his claims.

:-)

his preaching and ministry is open. He has teams that go down there and the churches I am sure confirm his testimonies.

I dont see the miracles in Mexico as a tribute to Hogan but to the power of the risen savior.

Any of us could go and see the same thing.

David